'Jewish patrol cars' in North London
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citizensm1th said:
Mr_B said:
citizensm1th said:
Mr_B said:
citizensm1th said:
Mr_B said:
Your "perception" was that there was no difference between this fake looking Police car and a community feeling like they need protection, and a shouty bunch of idiots trying to enforce sharia law under a threat to people not of the same faith.
I'm not totally sure your "perception" on this is sensible.
not my perception but a right wing propagandists (bmp/islama fascist)wet dream Christmas Easter and birthday rolled into one big happy package I'm not totally sure your "perception" on this is sensible.
Let alone that this is the first step towards privatised policing in the uk
You tried to say that the people in this car are the same and the sharia gang. They are obviously not the same as the sole thing the sharia gang did was to force their religious opinion on others and harass and threaten them. If you have any proof those in this car have done the same , then show it. You may fear that's whats next, I don't share that view as the intention to look out for life and property is nothing like trying to make people submit to your religious based mad ideas.
Countdown said:
Getragdogleg said:
That helps people who need it, its not telling anyone what to do or not do in "their area".
Its terrible that this community feel they need to Police themselves and protect themselves. This is not like neighbourhood watch with the community looking out for each other, this is stickered patrol cars and uniformed people acting like enforcers.
Its wrong. its going to do more harm than good.
Its terrible that this community feel they need to Police themselves and protect themselves. This is not like neighbourhood watch with the community looking out for each other, this is stickered patrol cars and uniformed people acting like enforcers.
Its wrong. its going to do more harm than good.
To me it appears exactly like a souped-up neighbourhood watch scheme . Really not seeing what harm they're doing?
Mr_B said:
I've already sad several times I think it's sad that anyone feels to need to police people and places based on faith.
You tried to say that the people in this car are the same and the sharia gang. They are obviously not the same as the sole thing the sharia gang did was to force their religious opinion on others and harass and threaten them. If you have any proof those in this car have done the same , then show it. You may fear that's whats next, I don't share that view as the intention to look out for life and property is nothing like trying to make people submit to your religious based mad ideas.
none are so blind as those who will not see (John Heywood 1546) You tried to say that the people in this car are the same and the sharia gang. They are obviously not the same as the sole thing the sharia gang did was to force their religious opinion on others and harass and threaten them. If you have any proof those in this car have done the same , then show it. You may fear that's whats next, I don't share that view as the intention to look out for life and property is nothing like trying to make people submit to your religious based mad ideas.
Lets imagine the "backlash" to Muslim terrorists the civil war's abrewing types on PH are predicting takes place. Result? Nasty UKIP voting Union jack worshiping EDL types, shaved heads glistening in the street lights start firebombing Mosques. In response the streets are filled with identical police lookalike cars only this time the writing on the livery in Arabic.
A law abiding community under threat defending itself. A car doing the same job. a car that is no different, no better or no worse than the car in the OP.
The posts on here regarding the Jewish Neighbourhood Watch car have been pretty much neutral to positive. I take it to be the case that everyone not objecting to the Jewish "Police" car are equally supportive of a Muslim, Arabic liveried car?
My opinion? Police cars should be driven by the police.
A law abiding community under threat defending itself. A car doing the same job. a car that is no different, no better or no worse than the car in the OP.
The posts on here regarding the Jewish Neighbourhood Watch car have been pretty much neutral to positive. I take it to be the case that everyone not objecting to the Jewish "Police" car are equally supportive of a Muslim, Arabic liveried car?
My opinion? Police cars should be driven by the police.
egor110 said:
If they fear some sort of muslim terrorist attack on a synagogue , what exactly are 2 blokes in a car going to do to stop it?
The same could be said of any security/police patrol - what are two coppers in a panda car going to do.Presumably they work closely with the police and would call for backup should a real threat be suspected or observed.
Not sure I agree with their vehicles being made up to look like bizzy cars - but I guess they must be legal?
citizensm1th said:
Mr_B said:
I've already sad several times I think it's sad that anyone feels to need to police people and places based on faith.
You tried to say that the people in this car are the same and the sharia gang. They are obviously not the same as the sole thing the sharia gang did was to force their religious opinion on others and harass and threaten them. If you have any proof those in this car have done the same , then show it. You may fear that's whats next, I don't share that view as the intention to look out for life and property is nothing like trying to make people submit to your religious based mad ideas.
none are so blind as those who will not see (John Heywood 1546) You tried to say that the people in this car are the same and the sharia gang. They are obviously not the same as the sole thing the sharia gang did was to force their religious opinion on others and harass and threaten them. If you have any proof those in this car have done the same , then show it. You may fear that's whats next, I don't share that view as the intention to look out for life and property is nothing like trying to make people submit to your religious based mad ideas.
t and who can't even back up your own dumb ramblings. What you fear is next is not the same as what is happening.NicD said:
turbobloke said:
Nor me, unless and until we hear that they're acting as though they have the powers of police officers. At that point, the deluded citizens involved would need to be removed from the role permanently.
there is a second hand example of that earlier on this thread.turbobloke said:
If police powers were usurped, then action may have been taken as a result. Similar action would need to happen if there were attempts to prevent sales of pork sausages. So far this initiative appears to retain the support of both the police and the communities.
did you read the post?This was informal, not reported and without independent witnesses or CCTV, impossible to prove but is my fear, the appearance and actions of an erstwhile police force.
NicD said:
turbobloke said:
If police powers were usurped, then action may have been taken as a result. Similar action would need to happen if there were attempts to prevent sales of pork sausages. So far this initiative appears to retain the support of both the police and the communities.
This was informal, not reported and without independent witnesses or CCTV, impossible to prove...Moonhawk said:
egor110 said:
If they fear some sort of muslim terrorist attack on a synagogue , what exactly are 2 blokes in a car going to do to stop it?
The same could be said of any security/police patrol - what are two coppers in a panda car going to do.Presumably they work closely with the police and would call for backup should a real threat be suspected or observed.
Not sure I agree with their vehicles being made up to look like bizzy cars - but I guess they must be legal?
I just find the whole thing faintly ridiculous. In reality what can they do? They have no powers. Can they detain someone they think is acting suspiciously? No.
If someone actually actually attacked a synagogue, what can they realistically do?
eccles said:
Moonhawk said:
egor110 said:
If they fear some sort of muslim terrorist attack on a synagogue , what exactly are 2 blokes in a car going to do to stop it?
The same could be said of any security/police patrol - what are two coppers in a panda car going to do.Presumably they work closely with the police and would call for backup should a real threat be suspected or observed.
Not sure I agree with their vehicles being made up to look like bizzy cars - but I guess they must be legal?
I just find the whole thing faintly ridiculous. In reality what can they do? They have no powers. Can they detain someone they think is acting suspiciously? No.
If someone actually actually attacked a synagogue, what can they realistically do?
"the Hackney Police Borough Commander Chief Superintendent Matthew Horne complimented Shomrim on this point, saying that "they will generally know when is the time to call us. They don't tend to waste our time and they don't let people go".[10]
that to me infers they use citizen arrest powers to confront people they feel are breaking the law I hope they never get it wrong or it could be costly
FourWheelDrift said:
The have their own run ambulance service as well.
We've already had a thread about ambulances with incomprehensible foreign titles plastered all over them.I see that the mob responsible for producing the ambulance in that thread have branched out into police vehicle look-alikes as well:
Getragdogleg said:
supersingle said:
Getragdogleg said:
Muntu said:
Getragdogleg said:
This is scarcely different to the devout "sharia zone" or "Moslem Area" policing that was discussed a while ago here on PH.
It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
The "sharia zone" idiots are trying to enforce sharia law.It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
These guys are there to potentially protect people from muslims trying to enforce sharia law
It's not difficult to work out.
How effective they will be is another issue, although it is a sad state of affairs that they need to exist in 21st century London
We already have Police, this lot opens the door for others to think its ok to Police their own areas/people Before you know it you will have all and sundry running about in liveried cars dispensing instant sanctioned vigilante justice for transgressions, real or otherwise.
This needs stamping on now before we are reading a headline that one of these patrols has killed a member of another group.
Anyone who considers themselves a good citizen should do the same. This group aren't any different from a neighbourhood watch group, they're there to uphold the law of the land, not an exclusive religious law.
its not just people from "the public" being allowed to have a go at being a Police man/woman.
This is not even like the PCSO's who are a home office police force.
It is wrong. it is divisive. do you think the Moslems who encounter this lot are going to comply and be ok with it ? This lot only have the approval of their own group and not the full policing by consent needed to be effective.
These patrols are just private security but because they're primary role is protecting Jewish people and property, the usual suspects are getting themselves all worked up.
Muslims can pay for their own private security if they so wish, as long as they remain within the law!
eccles said:
Police have a whole support system to call on, from armed police to helicopters. Are you saying calls from these patrols should be prioritised over and above a member of the public?.
No idea how it works, but the article does say they are trained by the Met and it implies they work quite closely with them.eccles said:
I just find the whole thing faintly ridiculous. In reality what can they do? They have no powers. Can they detain someone they think is acting suspiciously? No.
If someone actually actually attacked a synagogue, what can they realistically do?
The article also says they are similar to Neighbourhood watch. Are they also ridiculous? Are all private security firms ridiculous for the reasons you have given?If someone actually actually attacked a synagogue, what can they realistically do?
Tannedbaldhead said:
Lets imagine the "backlash" to Muslim terrorists the civil war's abrewing types on PH are predicting takes place. Result? Nasty UKIP voting Union jack worshiping EDL types, shaved heads glistening in the street lights start firebombing Mosques. In response the streets are filled with identical police lookalike cars only this time the writing on the livery in Arabic.
A law abiding community under threat defending itself. A car doing the same job. a car that is no different, no better or no worse than the car in the OP.
The posts on here regarding the Jewish Neighbourhood Watch car have been pretty much neutral to positive. I take it to be the case that everyone not objecting to the Jewish "Police" car are equally supportive of a Muslim, Arabic liveried car?
My opinion? Police cars should be driven by the police.
In My opinion you are a brainwashed idiot for suggesting that I am a nasty racist simply because I may vote for UKIP because I want the UK to withdraw from the EU? No I would not be supportive of a Muslim patrol car, but you know why? Because the Uk and Europe are not under threat from Chinese, Hindu, Sikh, Catholic or Christian nut cases. Not one of those groups are a threat to us, not one. Not one of those groups have ever advocated explicitly or implicitly, the overthrow, and the distaste they have, of our Western culture. These Jewish patrol cars are not cruising around to make sure that English - and that includes Black white yellow and green Englishmen - are flouting Islamic beliefs and ideals. A law abiding community under threat defending itself. A car doing the same job. a car that is no different, no better or no worse than the car in the OP.
The posts on here regarding the Jewish Neighbourhood Watch car have been pretty much neutral to positive. I take it to be the case that everyone not objecting to the Jewish "Police" car are equally supportive of a Muslim, Arabic liveried car?
My opinion? Police cars should be driven by the police.
I do however share your view it really should be the job of the police. If Anjem Choudray was a white supremist Christian advocating and supporting the killings of non believers the police would arrest him, but instead they spend their huge amounts of time investigating and dealing with stupid, off the cuff, bad taste comments made on twitter. If they didn't do this, perhaps they would free up some resources to patrol high risk (from Muslin extremists) Jewish targets. How on earth can anyone justify killing people because they drew a picture of Mohammed? It wasn't the 'words' of the cartoon that caused offence, it was simply that a picture of Mohammed was drawn!
These Muslim extremists are doing what the Spanish Inquisition did in the Middle Ages, over 500 years ago!! We have moved on since then, they want to drag us all back, and we need to stand up to them and stop worrying about offending them.
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