'Jewish patrol cars' in North London
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
eccles said:
Police have a whole support system to call on, from armed police to helicopters. Are you saying calls from these patrols should be prioritised over and above a member of the public?.
No idea how it works, but the article does say they are trained by the Met and it implies they work quite closely with them.eccles said:
I just find the whole thing faintly ridiculous. In reality what can they do? They have no powers. Can they detain someone they think is acting suspiciously? No.
If someone actually actually attacked a synagogue, what can they realistically do?
The article also says they are similar to Neighbourhood watch. Are they also ridiculous? Are all private security firms ridiculous for the reasons you have given?If someone actually actually attacked a synagogue, what can they realistically do?
eharding said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The have their own run ambulance service as well.
We've already had a thread about ambulances with incomprehensible foreign titles plastered all over them.I see that the mob responsible for producing the ambulance in that thread have branched out into police vehicle look-alikes as well:
"The number of Welsh speakers overall has fallen from 582,000 in 2001 to 562,000 last year, despite an increase in the size of the population. This represents a two percentage point drop - from 21% to 19% - in the proportion of Welsh speakers."
Idiotic scheme driven by some faceless politicised civil servant in Cardiff.
Why the light bar.
Sanctioned by Chief Constable?
I assume they do not have the legal ability to stop.
Personally I would prefer Jewish patrol written on the side so that everybody knows what it is, not just hebrew speakers.
Also, are Police going to respond to these patrols quicker than the general public, giving the general public an even worse response time.
Sanctioned by Chief Constable?
I assume they do not have the legal ability to stop.
Personally I would prefer Jewish patrol written on the side so that everybody knows what it is, not just hebrew speakers.
Also, are Police going to respond to these patrols quicker than the general public, giving the general public an even worse response time.
Mojocvh said:
Ref:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20677528
"The number of Welsh speakers overall has fallen from 582,000 in 2001 to 562,000 last year, despite an increase in the size of the population. This represents a two percentage point drop - from 21% to 19% - in the proportion of Welsh speakers."
Idiotic scheme driven by some faceless politicised civil servant in Cardiff.
Yep I have to agree with this. Having signs in Welsh/English in Wales is nothing but a political point scoring exercise. It serves little or no practical benefit."The number of Welsh speakers overall has fallen from 582,000 in 2001 to 562,000 last year, despite an increase in the size of the population. This represents a two percentage point drop - from 21% to 19% - in the proportion of Welsh speakers."
Idiotic scheme driven by some faceless politicised civil servant in Cardiff.
How many Welsh speakers cannot speak English?
JensenA said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
Lets imagine the "backlash" to Muslim terrorists the civil war's abrewing types on PH are predicting takes place. Result? Nasty UKIP voting Union jack worshiping EDL types, shaved heads glistening in the street lights start firebombing Mosques. In response the streets are filled with identical police lookalike cars only this time the writing on the livery in Arabic.
A law abiding community under threat defending itself. A car doing the same job. a car that is no different, no better or no worse than the car in the OP.
The posts on here regarding the Jewish Neighbourhood Watch car have been pretty much neutral to positive. I take it to be the case that everyone not objecting to the Jewish "Police" car are equally supportive of a Muslim, Arabic liveried car?
My opinion? Police cars should be driven by the police.
In My opinion you are a brainwashed idiot for suggesting that I am a nasty racist simply because I may vote for UKIP because I want the UK to withdraw from the EU? No I would not be supportive of a Muslim patrol car, but you know why? Because the Uk and Europe are not under threat from Chinese, Hindu, Sikh, Catholic or Christian nut cases. Not one of those groups are a threat to us, not one. Not one of those groups have ever advocated explicitly or implicitly, the overthrow, and the distaste they have, of our Western culture. These Jewish patrol cars are not cruising around to make sure that English - and that includes Black white yellow and green Englishmen - are flouting Islamic beliefs and ideals. A law abiding community under threat defending itself. A car doing the same job. a car that is no different, no better or no worse than the car in the OP.
The posts on here regarding the Jewish Neighbourhood Watch car have been pretty much neutral to positive. I take it to be the case that everyone not objecting to the Jewish "Police" car are equally supportive of a Muslim, Arabic liveried car?
My opinion? Police cars should be driven by the police.
I do however share your view it really should be the job of the police. If Anjem Choudray was a white supremist Christian advocating and supporting the killings of non believers the police would arrest him, but instead they spend their huge amounts of time investigating and dealing with stupid, off the cuff, bad taste comments made on twitter. If they didn't do this, perhaps they would free up some resources to patrol high risk (from Muslin extremists) Jewish targets. How on earth can anyone justify killing people because they drew a picture of Mohammed? It wasn't the 'words' of the cartoon that caused offence, it was simply that a picture of Mohammed was drawn!
These Muslim extremists are doing what the Spanish Inquisition did in the Middle Ages, over 500 years ago!! We have moved on since then, they want to drag us all back, and we need to stand up to them and stop worrying about offending them.
It's a very similar principle to not every Muslim will shout "Allah Akbar" before loosing an AK47 down a crowded street (in fact the vast majority would be abhorred by such actions) but every terrorist who shouts "Allah Akbar" and kills a street is a Muslim.
It's not nice for a whole community to be looked upon in the same light as its very worst members. Is it?
Getragdogleg said:
sleep envy said:
Getragdogleg said:
What are they doing then ? just cruising around the block and hanging out at corner shops ? If that's the case then why bother.
For clarification I didn't say they were enforcing anything, I said "acting like". There is a difference.
Well, having lived around the area for all my life, but not being Jewish, I can't say with absolute certainty that they don't enforce aspects of their faith.For clarification I didn't say they were enforcing anything, I said "acting like". There is a difference.
I can say with 100% certainty I've not seen anything of them acting like enforcers.
Do you have much experience of them living in Cornwall?
For clarity, how does one act like a Jewish enforcer?
Forgive me if I take you back to your previous point, which was;
Getragdogleg said:
This is not like neighbourhood watch with the community looking out for each other, this is stickered patrol cars and uniformed people acting like enforcers.
Its wrong. its going to do more harm than good.
My question, which you've yet to answer, is; what experience do you have of these people to be able to make such a statement and how do you know it's going to do more harm than good?Its wrong. its going to do more harm than good.
Getragdogleg said:
My point is simple my position on this is simple too. I don't like it, I think the real Police should be doing the Policing and this is a very dangerous path to be going down. If we want to all live together and get along we need to operate under one set of rules. This is how it mostly works now.
Scope creep is a very real danger here. today it may well just be a patrol but in a year or two will they be given stop and search powers ? How about arrest ?
The liveried car is the warning sign to me, I get the impression this group feel they are important enough to show off their positions and advertise. What next ? what other group could operate like this as a result or reaction to this lot ?
Please consider that these so called 'enforcer-likes' have been around that area of NW London for over 15 years. They've mostly been stood outside synagogues and Jewish schools, they've always driven around. It just appears that now they've got a more visible car to drive around in.Scope creep is a very real danger here. today it may well just be a patrol but in a year or two will they be given stop and search powers ? How about arrest ?
The liveried car is the warning sign to me, I get the impression this group feel they are important enough to show off their positions and advertise. What next ? what other group could operate like this as a result or reaction to this lot ?
Why should there now be 'scope creep' just because the car's been featured in a DM article? What makes you think that?
Getragdogleg said:
I know its a lot of "what ifs" but people are 
s to each other and this may well give someone a good excuse to be bigger .
I think the radicalised Muslims have more than enough targets in London than to worry about two blokes in a stickered up car in Golders Green to be honest.s to each other and this may well give someone a good excuse to be bigger .Edited by sleep envy on Sunday 11th January 16:14
Muntu said:
Unless Jewish people start publicly decapitating soldiers in the streets of London, or blowing up people on the Tube or London buses, I would think that you need not be concerned about the "yet" bit
There have for many years been UK Jews flying out and signing up to the Israeli army to kill in Palestine. So not exactly that peaceful...Imagine if Israel in the future US/UK went and bombed Israel, which side would UK orthodox Jews support and would you forsee extremist Jewish nutters bombing the tube too?
sleep envy said:
Getragdogleg said:
sleep envy said:
Getragdogleg said:
What are they doing then ? just cruising around the block and hanging out at corner shops ? If that's the case then why bother.
For clarification I didn't say they were enforcing anything, I said "acting like". There is a difference.
Well, having lived around the area for all my life, but not being Jewish, I can't say with absolute certainty that they don't enforce aspects of their faith.For clarification I didn't say they were enforcing anything, I said "acting like". There is a difference.
I can say with 100% certainty I've not seen anything of them acting like enforcers.
Do you have much experience of them living in Cornwall?
For clarity, how does one act like a Jewish enforcer?
sleep envy said:
I think you're reading into something that simply isn't there, I neither said nor implied any such thing.
Forgive me if I take you back to your previous point, which was;Getragdogleg said:
This is not like neighbourhood watch with the community looking out for each other, this is stickered patrol cars and uniformed people acting like enforcers.
Its wrong. its going to do more harm than good.
Its wrong. its going to do more harm than good.
sleep envy said:
My question, which you've yet to answer, is; what experience do you have of these people to be able to make such a statement and how do you know it's going to do more harm than good?
I have no direct experience of these individuals but I have experience of people letting a little power go a long way.Getragdogleg said:
My point is simple my position on this is simple too. I don't like it, I think the real Police should be doing the Policing and this is a very dangerous path to be going down. If we want to all live together and get along we need to operate under one set of rules. This is how it mostly works now.
Scope creep is a very real danger here. today it may well just be a patrol but in a year or two will they be given stop and search powers ? How about arrest ?
The liveried car is the warning sign to me, I get the impression this group feel they are important enough to show off their positions and advertise. What next ? what other group could operate like this as a result or reaction to this lot ?
Scope creep is a very real danger here. today it may well just be a patrol but in a year or two will they be given stop and search powers ? How about arrest ?
The liveried car is the warning sign to me, I get the impression this group feel they are important enough to show off their positions and advertise. What next ? what other group could operate like this as a result or reaction to this lot ?
sleep envy said:
Please consider that these so called 'enforcer-likes' have been around that area of NW London for over 15 years. They've mostly been stood outside synagogues and Jewish schools, they've always driven around. It just appears that now they've got a more visible car to drive around in.
Why should there now be 'scope creep' just because the car's been featured in a DM article? What makes you think that?
Because its already crept from simply being a doorman or shop guard to wearing a stabvest and having a marked up BMW. This is the point we are seeing scope creep, it will increase from here. Frankly I am amazed its taken 15 years. Still, I suppose their opposition are ramping up their game a bit so this is the response.Why should there now be 'scope creep' just because the car's been featured in a DM article? What makes you think that?
Getragdogleg said:
I know its a lot of "what ifs" but people are s to each other and this may well give someone a good excuse to be bigger .
I think the radicalised Muslims have more than enough targets in London than to worry about two blokes in a stickered up car in Golders Green to be honest.s to each other and this may well give someone a good excuse to be bigger .
http://www.totalguardsecurity.co.uk/
These guys seem to look even more like the police and they have guard dogs.
I used to live in Upper Clapton. I couldn't imagine feeling less threatened or concerned in any other part of Hackney than in Stamford Hill! Though I can see why unfortunately the Jewish community there could well do.
Fartomatic5000 said:
Will they be ascertaining the religion of a victim before they help out or intervene?
"Drive on Hiram, he's a towel-head"
did you read this article posted earlier?"Drive on Hiram, he's a towel-head"
http://muslimvillage.com/2013/09/13/43902/uk-jewis...
Yazar said:
Muntu said:
Unless Jewish people start publicly decapitating soldiers in the streets of London, or blowing up people on the Tube or London buses, I would think that you need not be concerned about the "yet" bit
There have for many years been UK Jews flying out and signing up to the Israeli army to kill in Palestine. So not exactly that peaceful...Sounds to me like you are just desperately trying to smear and divert attention away from the crux of the matter being discussed TBH
Yazar said:
Imagine if Israel in the future US/UK went and bombed Israel, which side would UK orthodox Jews support and would you forsee extremist Jewish nutters bombing the tube too?
No. Muntu said:
Yazar said:
Muntu said:
Unless Jewish people start publicly decapitating soldiers in the streets of London, or blowing up people on the Tube or London buses, I would think that you need not be concerned about the "yet" bit
There have for many years been UK Jews flying out and signing up to the Israeli army to kill in Palestine. So not exactly that peaceful...The point I am making, is that for 'hardcore' religious believers/radicalized kids (of any religion), faith comes before country. And those of the same faith in other parts of the world are of more importance than your fellow countryman.
Yes I am drawing parrallels with Syria, however this is actually even more complex - The Israel population is more than sufficient to not need foreign recruits for the Palestinge conflict, yet for whatever reason a minority of British Jews still feel 'compelled' to go over.
Fill your boots
Jewish Cronicle- Brit Jewish mums worried about their kids fighting for Isreal: http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/116221/british-m...
Generic : https://www.google.co.uk/?q=british+jew+israel+arm...
Muntu said:
Yazar said:
Imagine if Israel in the future US/UK went and bombed Israel, which side would UK orthodox Jews support and would you forsee extremist Jewish nutters bombing the tube too?
No. 
Muntu said:
Yazar said:
Imagine if Israel in the future US/UK went and bombed Israel, which side would UK orthodox Jews support and would you forsee extremist Jewish nutters bombing the tube too?
No. The Jewish extreemists today are a bit of a handful for the Israeli army.
Yazar said:
As I said, its been going on for years.
In the context of what you wrote (people going to Israel to join the IDF to specifically kill people in so called "Palestine"), no, it hasn't, if everYazar said:
Muntu said:
Yazar said:
Imagine if Israel in the future US/UK went and bombed Israel, which side would UK orthodox Jews support and would you forsee extremist Jewish nutters bombing the tube too?
No. 
Muntu said:
Are our security services voicing any concerns about this?
Why would they- the UK don't have plans to attack Israel so no risk to us, and Israel is a strategic ally, seemingly no matter what. Talked about at the highest level though:Grahame Morris, the MP for Easington, asked: “Given the strong evidence of Israeli war crimes in Gaza—we have heard about 500 children being killed under a terrible bombardment—will British citizens fighting in the Israel defence forces be treated in the same way as those returning from Syria and Iraq?”
Cameron:
Cameron replied: “I really do not think that is a fair or reasonable way of describing the situation. As I said, the loss of civilian life was unacceptable, and it is right that these matters are properly investigated."
http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/labour-mp-will-british...
Muntu said:
paranoid airbag said:
I really can't blame them for wanting to protect their own in the face of attack. But when you say "they're not enforcing their own archaic laws" you really should be adding "...yet". There's nearly as much potential for Jewish nuttery as there is Islamic, it's just geopolitical coincidence that means it's not actualised. Nice right now but circumstances change.
Unless Jewish people start publicly decapitating soldiers in the streets of London, or blowing up people on the Tube or London buses, I would think that you need not be concerned about the "yet" bitGood luck but in a court of law I don't see restricting the rights of one person, based on the actions of a different person linked solely by belief in the same sky fairy, flying. Either everybody gets to claim this authority, that is almost completely devoid of checks against abuse, or only the police, who should be protecting all citizens who need protection regardless of belief, do.
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