'Jewish patrol cars' in North London
Discussion
paranoid airbag said:
Muntu said:
paranoid airbag said:
I really can't blame them for wanting to protect their own in the face of attack. But when you say "they're not enforcing their own archaic laws" you really should be adding "...yet". There's nearly as much potential for Jewish nuttery as there is Islamic, it's just geopolitical coincidence that means it's not actualised. Nice right now but circumstances change.
Unless Jewish people start publicly decapitating soldiers in the streets of London, or blowing up people on the Tube or London buses, I would think that you need not be concerned about the "yet" bitGood luck but in a court of law I don't see restricting the rights of one person, based on the actions of a different person linked solely by belief in the same sky fairy, flying. Either everybody gets to claim this authority, that is almost completely devoid of checks against abuse, or only the police, who should be protecting all citizens who need protection regardless of belief, do.
The other group is actually working with British law enforcement
andy ted said:
Fartomatic5000 said:
Will they be ascertaining the religion of a victim before they help out or intervene?
"Drive on Hiram, he's a towel-head"
did you read this article posted earlier?"Drive on Hiram, he's a towel-head"
http://muslimvillage.com/2013/09/13/43902/uk-jewis...
paranoid airbag said:
Muntu said:
paranoid airbag said:
I really can't blame them for wanting to protect their own in the face of attack. But when you say "they're not enforcing their own archaic laws" you really should be adding "...yet". There's nearly as much potential for Jewish nuttery as there is Islamic, it's just geopolitical coincidence that means it's not actualised. Nice right now but circumstances change.
Unless Jewish people start publicly decapitating soldiers in the streets of London, or blowing up people on the Tube or London buses, I would think that you need not be concerned about the "yet" bitGood luck but in a court of law I don't see restricting the rights of one person, based on the actions of a different person linked solely by belief in the same sky fairy, flying. Either everybody gets to claim this authority, that is almost completely devoid of checks against abuse, or only the police, who should be protecting all citizens who need protection regardless of belief, do.
Shomrim and hatzaolah while meeting a want / percieved need of the Jewish community happily involve themselves in the wider community if things present and do so without ramming Jewishness down peoples throats, much as various other faith based groups do ( e.g. Sally Amry, Street Pastors...)
jeff m2 said:
Muntu said:
Yazar said:
Imagine if Israel in the future US/UK went and bombed Israel, which side would UK orthodox Jews support and would you forsee extremist Jewish nutters bombing the tube too?
No. The Jewish extreemists today are a bit of a handful for the Israeli army.
http://jonathanturley.org/2014/12/31/delta-flight-...
The Jewish extremists possess a very Islamic like view on life. Starting to become very problematic to the Israeli Government with regards to forcing others to adhere to the Sabbath, separating genders, treatment of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, accommodating any compromise to achieve peace etc. Quite happy to take to arms if they don't get their way and see moderate liberal minded Jews as much their enemy as any Muslim. Many liberal minded Jews see them as a very dangerous threat to the future of the state of Israel.
Fartomatic5000 said:
andy ted said:
Fartomatic5000 said:
Will they be ascertaining the religion of a victim before they help out or intervene?
"Drive on Hiram, he's a towel-head"
did you read this article posted earlier?"Drive on Hiram, he's a towel-head"
http://muslimvillage.com/2013/09/13/43902/uk-jewis...
Wouldn't you do the same?
Where is the failing with the regular Police force?
The Police chief mentioned in the Independent article that I posted was not consulted and was dismayed that this suggested his Police Force was failing in some way.
The quality of and respect for the regular police must not be eroded or undermined, in my opinion.
The Police chief mentioned in the Independent article that I posted was not consulted and was dismayed that this suggested his Police Force was failing in some way.
The quality of and respect for the regular police must not be eroded or undermined, in my opinion.
anonymous said:
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The article you posted was 5 years old though, since then it seems they have the support of the police. There are loads of private security companies (like the one I posted) who offer much more of a 'serious' security service. These guys look like they are a glorified mobile neighbourhood watch!andy ted said:
The article you posted was 5 years old though, since then it seems they have the support of the police. There are loads of private security companies (like the one I posted) who offer much more of a 'serious' security service. These guys look like they are a glorified mobile neighbourhood watch!
I know it's old but it shows the point that that particular club was set up, apparently, without consulting those in charge at the police force. It also mentions requirements for that particular team, must be Jewish, male and married.
Again, I'd much rather the regular police forces, which allows applications from Jews or non Jews, single men, gays, women even(!) was supported.
It's madness. A precedent is set that we could really do without. It doesn't matter how helpful, useful and effective these people are. That could not be less relevant. It encourages sectarianism. There is nothing, nothing to stop any community from doing the same. And that will not end well.
Guardian Angels use distinctive clothing, are Street Angels / Street Chaplains / Street Pastors etc not doing similar? In terms of the OP, one difference is a liveried car. The other is a specific religious faith and the resulting mostly specific targets for protection or assistance.
Tannedbaldhead said:
Whilst not every UKIP voter is a nasty shaven headed, Union Jack worshiping, EDL supporting, Mosque burning racist (in fact a sizable majority aren't) you will probably find most nasty shaven headed, Union Jack worshiping, EDL supporting, Mosque burning racist will vote UKIP. That being the case my description is without error and, thus, you can consider your apology for calling me a brainwashed idiot is accepted in advance.
It's a very similar principle to not every Muslim will shout "Allah Akbar" before loosing an AK47 down a crowded street (in fact the vast majority would be abhorred by such actions) but every terrorist who shouts "Allah Akbar" and kills a street is a Muslim.
It's not nice for a whole community to be looked upon in the same light as its very worst members. Is it?
UKIP is primarily an anti EU party, and perhaps a very small minority of racist idiots attach will attach themselves to UKIP, but I actually have no fear of these idiot racist extremists, they are not trying to undermine the way of life in the UK, they don't go around bombing and shooting innocent civilians like Muslim extremists do, and even moderate Muslims seem to resent our Western culture, and if they don't, and they are happy with our way of life, then FFS stand up and make it clear that they are happy with obeying our laws, and living in our decadent society. Until that happens, I and many others will continue to have a distrust of Muslims, probably quite wrongly, but it's there. It's a very similar principle to not every Muslim will shout "Allah Akbar" before loosing an AK47 down a crowded street (in fact the vast majority would be abhorred by such actions) but every terrorist who shouts "Allah Akbar" and kills a street is a Muslim.
It's not nice for a whole community to be looked upon in the same light as its very worst members. Is it?
When 'The Life of Brian' was released no one went around machine gunning to death any one connected with the film. 'Evan Almighty' even stared God himself, there were no shootings or killings. Can you imagine what would happen if a film was made depicting Allah? It will never happen, and why? Because we are $hit scared of a Muslims, and we shouldn't be. We live in 2015 they live in 1515.
turbobloke said:
Guardian Angels use distinctive clothing, are Street Angels / Street Chaplains / Street Pastors etc not doing similar? In terms of the OP, one difference is a liveried car. The other is a specific religious faith and the resulting mostly specific targets for protection or assistance.
exactly and various NTE projects have marked vehicles used in delivering service or have used marked emergency services vehicles as an adjunct to delivering service ( usually Ambulance vehicles rather than lookalike police vehicles)
andy ted said:
eccles said:
andy ted said:
These guys look like they are a glorified mobile neighbourhood watch!
That's just it, they don't look anything like neighbourhood watch.eccles said:
Do those dog vans patrol the streets, or just the industrial sites they are paid to?
http://www.totalguardsecurity.co.uk/vip-street-pat... There are lots of companies like this. Not all with dogs though.I have seen them before in residential London streets. Along with men stationed in the street all night. paid for by the residents of the street.
Tannedbaldhead said:
http://www.jta.org/1950/07/31/archive/mayor-of-jer...
http://jonathanturley.org/2014/12/31/delta-flight-...
The Jewish extremists possess a very Islamic like view on life. Starting to become very problematic to the Israeli Government with regards to forcing others to adhere to the Sabbath, separating genders, treatment of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, accommodating any compromise to achieve peace etc. Quite happy to take to arms if they don't get their way and see moderate liberal minded Jews as much their enemy as any Muslim. Many liberal minded Jews see them as a very dangerous threat to the future of the state of Israel.
and que the screams of anti Semitism (sarcasm on) you fhttp://jonathanturley.org/2014/12/31/delta-flight-...
The Jewish extremists possess a very Islamic like view on life. Starting to become very problematic to the Israeli Government with regards to forcing others to adhere to the Sabbath, separating genders, treatment of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, accommodating any compromise to achieve peace etc. Quite happy to take to arms if they don't get their way and see moderate liberal minded Jews as much their enemy as any Muslim. Many liberal minded Jews see them as a very dangerous threat to the future of the state of Israel.
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