'Jewish patrol cars' in North London
Discussion
supersingle said:
Getragdogleg said:
Muntu said:
Getragdogleg said:
This is scarcely different to the devout "sharia zone" or "Moslem Area" policing that was discussed a while ago here on PH.
It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
The "sharia zone" idiots are trying to enforce sharia law.It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
These guys are there to potentially protect people from muslims trying to enforce sharia law
It's not difficult to work out.
How effective they will be is another issue, although it is a sad state of affairs that they need to exist in 21st century London
We already have Police, this lot opens the door for others to think its ok to Police their own areas/people Before you know it you will have all and sundry running about in liveried cars dispensing instant sanctioned vigilante justice for transgressions, real or otherwise.
This needs stamping on now before we are reading a headline that one of these patrols has killed a member of another group.
Anyone who considers themselves a good citizen should do the same. This group aren't any different from a neighbourhood watch group, they're there to uphold the law of the land, not an exclusive religious law.
citizensm1th said:
Getragdogleg said:
Muntu said:
Getragdogleg said:
This is scarcely different to the devout "sharia zone" or "Moslem Area" policing that was discussed a while ago here on PH.
It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
The "sharia zone" idiots are trying to enforce sharia law.It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
These guys are there to potentially protect people from muslims trying to enforce sharia law
It's not difficult to work out.
How effective they will be is another issue, although it is a sad state of affairs that they need to exist in 21st century London
We already have Police, this lot opens the door for others to think its ok to Police their own areas/people Before you know it you will have all and sundry running about in liveried cars dispensing instant sanctioned vigilante justice for transgressions, real or otherwise.
This needs stamping on now before we are reading a headline that one of these patrols has killed a member of another group.
However lets brush aside any political correctness, which in my opinion has led to the problem of Muslin fanatics, and look at it rationally.
I have no fear, or worry of the Jewish community on this country, neither do I have any fear of any other minority community. We have many minorities in the UK, for example Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, Lebanese, Turks. They all accept and enjoy living in the UK, they integrate with us, they are part of 'us'. I have absolutely no worries at all that they want to change the way of life in the UK. However I do have a real and warranted fear that the Muslim community in this country do not wish to integrate with our society, they want to change it, it is an alien culture to them, and they do not like it.
The Jewish community have responded to what they perceive as an imminent, and real danger to their community, and have sought to do something about it to protect themselves against unwarranted, unprovoked attacks from Muslin extremists, so I have no problem at all with seeing a Jewish patrol car driving around the streets, I am comfortable that all that are trying to do is protect themselves. But I would absolutely resent a Muslim patrol car cruising around the streets because I know that their motives are totally different.
Of course I accept that I will now be classed as a racist fruit bat, but if you disagree with me, put forward a rational argument against it, don't just insult me. How can I be racist against a religion? It's rather like labelling those who were against Hitler and nazism as being racist against the Germans.
citizensm1th said:
Rubbish mouths are starting to froth to use your words because may be just may be some sections of our society are right to feel that other sections are given preferential treatment and we have all had a very vivid example of what happens if we allow this to continue.
Who has given them preferential treatment?citizensm1th said:
ghetto (plural ghettos or ghettoes or ghetti)
1.An (often walled) area of a city in which Jews are concentrated by force and law. (Used particularly of areas in medieval Italy and in Nazi-controlled Europe.) [quotations ?]
2.An (often impoverished) area of a city inhabited predominantly by members of a specific nationality, ethnicity or race. [quotations ?]
3.An area in which people who are distinguished by sharing something other than ethnicity concentrate or are concentrated. [quotations ?]
Yep, still doesn't apply but this is aside from the issue.1.An (often walled) area of a city in which Jews are concentrated by force and law. (Used particularly of areas in medieval Italy and in Nazi-controlled Europe.) [quotations ?]
2.An (often impoverished) area of a city inhabited predominantly by members of a specific nationality, ethnicity or race. [quotations ?]
3.An area in which people who are distinguished by sharing something other than ethnicity concentrate or are concentrated. [quotations ?]
supersingle said:
Getragdogleg said:
Muntu said:
Getragdogleg said:
This is scarcely different to the devout "sharia zone" or "Moslem Area" policing that was discussed a while ago here on PH.
It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
The "sharia zone" idiots are trying to enforce sharia law.It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
These guys are there to potentially protect people from muslims trying to enforce sharia law
It's not difficult to work out.
How effective they will be is another issue, although it is a sad state of affairs that they need to exist in 21st century London
We already have Police, this lot opens the door for others to think its ok to Police their own areas/people Before you know it you will have all and sundry running about in liveried cars dispensing instant sanctioned vigilante justice for transgressions, real or otherwise.
This needs stamping on now before we are reading a headline that one of these patrols has killed a member of another group.
Anyone who considers themselves a good citizen should do the same. This group aren't any different from a neighbourhood watch group, they're there to uphold the law of the land, not an exclusive religious law.
its not just people from "the public" being allowed to have a go at being a Police man/woman.
This is not even like the PCSO's who are a home office police force.
It is wrong. it is divisive. do you think the Moslems who encounter this lot are going to comply and be ok with it ? This lot only have the approval of their own group and not the full policing by consent needed to be effective.
sleep envy said:
citizensm1th said:
Rubbish mouths are starting to froth to use your words because may be just may be some sections of our society are right to feel that other sections are given preferential treatment and we have all had a very vivid example of what happens if we allow this to continue.
Who has given them preferential treatment?JensenA said:
citizensm1th said:
Getragdogleg said:
Muntu said:
Getragdogleg said:
This is scarcely different to the devout "sharia zone" or "Moslem Area" policing that was discussed a while ago here on PH.
It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
The "sharia zone" idiots are trying to enforce sharia law.It only differs because so far they haven't confiscated anyone's beer/bacon yet.
These guys are there to potentially protect people from muslims trying to enforce sharia law
It's not difficult to work out.
How effective they will be is another issue, although it is a sad state of affairs that they need to exist in 21st century London
We already have Police, this lot opens the door for others to think its ok to Police their own areas/people Before you know it you will have all and sundry running about in liveried cars dispensing instant sanctioned vigilante justice for transgressions, real or otherwise.
This needs stamping on now before we are reading a headline that one of these patrols has killed a member of another group.
However lets brush aside any political correctness, which in my opinion has led to the problem of Muslin fanatics, and look at it rationally.
I have no fear, or worry of the Jewish community on this country, neither do I have any fear of any other minority community. We have many minorities in the UK, for example Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, Lebanese, Turks. They all accept and enjoy living in the UK, they integrate with us, they are part of 'us'. I have absolutely no worries at all that they want to change the way of life in the UK. However I do have a real and warranted fear that the Muslim community in this country do not wish to integrate with our society, they want to change it, it is an alien culture to them, and they do not like it.
The Jewish community have responded to what they perceive as an imminent, and real danger to their community, and have sought to do something about it to protect themselves against unwarranted, unprovoked attacks from Muslin extremists, so I have no problem at all with seeing a Jewish patrol car driving around the streets, I am comfortable that all that are trying to do is protect themselves. But I would absolutely resent a Muslim patrol car cruising around the streets because I know that their motives are totally different.
Of course I accept that I will now be classed as a racist fruit bat, but if you disagree with me, put forward a rational argument against it, don't just insult me. How can I be racist against a religion? It's rather like labelling those who were against Hitler and nazism as being racist against the Germans.
citizensm1th said:
sleep envy said:
citizensm1th said:
Rubbish mouths are starting to froth to use your words because may be just may be some sections of our society are right to feel that other sections are given preferential treatment and we have all had a very vivid example of what happens if we allow this to continue.
Who has given them preferential treatment?I'm not totally sure your "perception" on this is sensible.
Chipmunk1 said:
So these guys have a uniform and a BMW so that makes it ok ?
Who says its OK ? Apart from the legal aspect of stickering-up that car to look like PC Plod, I think most think its sad its needed. That would apply whoever thought the need to do the same for their faith community. Failing to see what the problem is tbh.
They have as much power as the people who ride around on motorbikes/horses wearing POLITE fluorescent vests.
Who cares ?
ETA it's a shame that the Jewish community feel they need protection over and above what the Police can provide but good on them for acting like a community.
They have as much power as the people who ride around on motorbikes/horses wearing POLITE fluorescent vests.
Who cares ?
ETA it's a shame that the Jewish community feel they need protection over and above what the Police can provide but good on them for acting like a community.
citizensm1th said:
sleep envy said:
citizensm1th said:
Rubbish mouths are starting to froth to use your words because may be just may be some sections of our society are right to feel that other sections are given preferential treatment and we have all had a very vivid example of what happens if we allow this to continue.
Who has given them preferential treatment?FourWheelDrift said:
The have their own run ambulance service as well.
That helps people who need it, its not telling anyone what to do or not do in "their area".Its terrible that this community feel they need to Police themselves and protect themselves. This is not like neighbourhood watch with the community looking out for each other, this is stickered patrol cars and uniformed people acting like enforcers.
Its wrong. its going to do more harm than good.
FourWheelDrift said:
The have their own run ambulance service as well.
until very recentl,y and AFTER they acquired their singular ambulance, London Hatzolah were NOT CQC registered... Manchester Hatzolah have have numerous runs in with GMP one of which resulted in a successful prosecution against their members for their dubious use of warnign devices and claiming of exemptions. unlike the Showrim Hatzolah do not work within the statutory provision framework - they explicitly work outside the legitimate 999 service.
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