RIP - Capt Sir Tom Moore 02/02/21
Discussion
PSRG said:
If he was in hospital being treated for pneumonia it’s surely far more likely that he caught COVID while in hospital than on a plane or in Barbados? Given that he travelled back, what, mid December?
He was only taken into hospital today. The announcement is pretty vauge overall though, just that he was being treated for pneumonia over the "last few weeks" and tested positive "last week". It could be that he was only tested the one time and it was covid all along. I can't find any references to the date they returned from Barbados, so it's entirely possible it was caught while they were traveling, although if he lives in a busy house it could have been brought in at any time really.
I thought he'd had the first jab, obviously I'm mistaken. Fair play to the guy the Barbados trip was on his bucket list to do.
Unlucky, how did he pick it up? Who knows.
No different to those holed up since March, they venture out for the first time (say when this is all over - when the f will that be?) and get hit by a truck. Life, it's full of risks every second of every day.
True example of hiding away at home for ever (adding in that 6k people die inside their homes from accidents every year in the UK).
Lady holed up again since last March. Decides to venture to sons for Xmas, just a couple hrs, all worked out and safely distanced lunch. Yep, so very careful, and not far to travel. Arrives and son is complaining of aching leg, it's nothing he says, he fell over while walking the dog. Say cheerios and wish each other happy xmas and new year.
A few days later, she's aching. Contacts son, he has covid. So does she.
Life, full of risk. Daily.
Unlucky, how did he pick it up? Who knows.
No different to those holed up since March, they venture out for the first time (say when this is all over - when the f will that be?) and get hit by a truck. Life, it's full of risks every second of every day.
True example of hiding away at home for ever (adding in that 6k people die inside their homes from accidents every year in the UK).
Lady holed up again since last March. Decides to venture to sons for Xmas, just a couple hrs, all worked out and safely distanced lunch. Yep, so very careful, and not far to travel. Arrives and son is complaining of aching leg, it's nothing he says, he fell over while walking the dog. Say cheerios and wish each other happy xmas and new year.
A few days later, she's aching. Contacts son, he has covid. So does she.
Life, full of risk. Daily.
Gareth79 said:
He was only taken into hospital today. The announcement is pretty vauge overall though, just that he was being treated for pneumonia over the "last few weeks" and tested positive "last week". It could be that he was only tested the one time and it was covid all along.
I can't find any references to the date they returned from Barbados, so it's entirely possible it was caught while they were traveling, although if he lives in a busy house it could have been brought in at any time really.
My mistake - I assumed that he was being treated in hospital because of his age! I can't find any references to the date they returned from Barbados, so it's entirely possible it was caught while they were traveling, although if he lives in a busy house it could have been brought in at any time really.
Electro1980 said:
Don’t bother. He’s a saint around here and all actions must be treated as infallible because something something war hero!
For what it’s worth, I agree. Poor judgment given that we keep being told that children are suffering to protect the elderly and the NHS. Young kids are being isolated from social contact but it’s fine for him, being high risk of infection and serious complications and hospitalisation, to go on holiday.
Bless , are you missing your schoolmates? For what it’s worth, I agree. Poor judgment given that we keep being told that children are suffering to protect the elderly and the NHS. Young kids are being isolated from social contact but it’s fine for him, being high risk of infection and serious complications and hospitalisation, to go on holiday.
Gareth79 said:
PSRG said:
If he was in hospital being treated for pneumonia it’s surely far more likely that he caught COVID while in hospital than on a plane or in Barbados? Given that he travelled back, what, mid December?
He was only taken into hospital today. The announcement is pretty vauge overall though, just that he was being treated for pneumonia over the "last few weeks" and tested positive "last week". It could be that he was only tested the one time and it was covid all along. I can't find any references to the date they returned from Barbados, so it's entirely possible it was caught while they were traveling, although if he lives in a busy house it could have been brought in at any time really.
Donbot said:
gooner1 said:
Yeah. I'm sure he regrets what he has done recently. Going off on holiday when people here are wanting to get the military in to stop people going to the park.
Fighting the nazis looks like a waste of time.
gooner1 said:
Donbot said:
gooner1 said:
Yeah. I'm sure he regrets what he has done recently. Going off on holiday when people here are wanting to get the military in to stop people going to the park.
Fighting the nazis looks like a waste of time.
Donbot said:
gooner1 said:
Donbot said:
gooner1 said:
Yeah. I'm sure he regrets what he has done recently. Going off on holiday when people here are wanting to get the military in to stop people going to the park.
Fighting the nazis looks like a waste of time.
So, in summary... Agreeable old boy makes worthy gesture, it gets picked up by mainstream and social meeja resulting in massive charitable giving well beyond any expected level. Old boy canonised as a result, takes advantage of related commercial freebie. Misjudgement in doing so either excused (if you think he's a saint - he isn't) or vilified (If you think he's a selfish old b*gger - he's not that, either).
The whole thing is a media confection, from start to finish.. If indeed BA flew him to Barbados gratis for the publicity, they're the ones with something to answer for.
I wish the old bloke a speedy recovery. And a thousand poxes on our w@nky newspapers and celebrity culture.
The whole thing is a media confection, from start to finish.. If indeed BA flew him to Barbados gratis for the publicity, they're the ones with something to answer for.
I wish the old bloke a speedy recovery. And a thousand poxes on our w@nky newspapers and celebrity culture.
gooner1 said:
You will likely have plenty of time to do just that. That’s not the case with this old boy who imo has earned the right to get a bit of sun to warm his old bones.
I have plenty of time to sit on my ass I'll grant you that. So does my Nan who I'm not supposed to see. Though to be fair she wasn't fighting the nazis, she was just sitting at home getting bombed by them.
I don't want to give the wrong impression. I have a lot of respect for him and I wish him well with whatever he does.
It's more a commentary on the current situation. And that things quickly u turn when certain individuals are involved.
Edited by Donbot on Monday 1st February 00:34
redrabbit said:
The whole thing is a media confection, from start to finish.. If indeed BA flew him to Barbados gratis for the publicity, they're the ones with something to answer for.
Once you pass 85 your chance of dying each year is rather high. He got to have a nice holiday before he goes courtesy of BA. They have nothing to answer or apologise for. Just a decent gesture to someone who raised a lot of money for charity. redrabbit said:
The whole thing is a media confection, from start to finish.. If indeed BA flew him to Barbados gratis for the publicity, they're the ones with something to answer for.
I'm almost certain that British Airways would have issued him with an open ticket and not forced him to go whilst in the middle of a pandemic. But at 100 years old (and a fair bit younger I'd say), you really need to take the opportunities as soon as they are available. He's not a hero to me, but I can't knock the guy and he seems to have led a good, fruitful life.gooner1 said:
You will likely have plenty of time to do just that. That’s not the case with this old boy who imo has earned the right to get a bit of sun to warm his old bones.
You might have, but the children who are having their life chances and healthy damaged every day they can’t go to school.Ultimately he got this holiday, and all the other things, through the fame he and his courted. With that opportunity comes a responsibility to act appropriately. Going on holiday paid for by your notoriety when the rest of the country are paying such a heavy price to protect you is poor judgment.
I do wonder how many people leaping to his defence were so defensive of the bloggers going to Dubai a few months ago.
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