Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

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abzmike

8,405 posts

107 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Sunak and Mourdant trying to paint themselves as the only people that can provide defence of the realm… which of course is highly patriotic, and if you don’t believe in it then they’re anti British. I must have missed the bit where Penny was put in charge of defence…
Now, of course defence is a major issue in a changing world - as far as I can see there is plenty of money and highly committed and skilled soldiers, sailors and air people, but overly heavy management and top brass, and biblically poor procurement. But leaving a bear trap of massively increased spending - un costed - for the next 6 years a bit presumptuous.

Fermit

13,029 posts

101 months

Wednesday 24th April
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tamore said:
nigelpugh7 said:
Does anyone else find this totally bizarre?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13340837/...

Britain is on a war footing?

Why? We have no direct conflict with any sovereign nation, and no one is threatening our borders or sovereignty?

What a strange declaration to make publicly!
is rishi setting fire to the newspaper around the dog turd before the public put it on starmer's doorstep?
It's completely this. They are on the way out. Rishi knows it. 'By 2030', so reasonable odds that they won't be governing by this date. It's attempting to set the opposition up for a fall. The extra spend is needed mind, Starmer would be a fool to not adopt the commitment. Good job we're not faced with Corbyn mind, he'd be slashing the budget and inviting Putin over for a cup of peace tea.

Sway

26,321 posts

195 months

Wednesday 24th April
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hidetheelephants said:
nigelpugh7 said:
Then you have this from Penny Mordaunt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13340197/...
From where is the UK going to be threatened by a similar attack? Austria isn't about to lose its st and declare war on Slough. Broadly I'd agree with increased defence spending but Iron Dome is a very short range SAM system optimised to defend against massed attack with artillery rockets and mortars; the army might want it but the UK doesn't need it. A few batteries of Patriots would make more sense and would obviously work well alongside other NATO states with the same or similar compatible systems, or more domestically order a few extra batteries of Sky Sabre.
Iron Dome is a daft idea - but the notion that we're somehow immune to mass drone attacks due to location is incredibly flawed.

See the ingenuity of the Ukrainians in fitting aircraft or ship mounted weapons onto the backs of trucks, or using off the shelf consumer drones with vending machine mechanisms to drop grenades.

Now just think what a hostile actor could do with a container ship loaded up with drones/munitions sailing past London...

At the moment, we have nothing to cope with anything like that. QRA Typhoons aren't doing st.

So I do think there's an argument for a cheap, small, easily supported anti drone/swarm defence capability - and that capability should be deployed properly around our cities and major installations. Something like the Dragonfire isn't a stupid idea.

Meanwhile, Russia is still kicking off - and Xi is pretty much committed to going aggressive in ways we'll simply have to respond to, otherwise he loses face.

robemcdonald

8,806 posts

197 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Fermit said:
tamore said:
nigelpugh7 said:
Does anyone else find this totally bizarre?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13340837/...

Britain is on a war footing?

Why? We have no direct conflict with any sovereign nation, and no one is threatening our borders or sovereignty?

What a strange declaration to make publicly!
is rishi setting fire to the newspaper around the dog turd before the public put it on starmer's doorstep?
It's completely this. They are on the way out. Rishi knows it. 'By 2030', so reasonable odds that they won't be governing by this date. It's attempting to set the opposition up for a fall. The extra spend is needed mind, Starmer would be a fool to not adopt the commitment. Good job we're not faced with Corbyn mind, he'd be slashing the budget and inviting Putin over for a cup of peace tea.
I really hope this isn’t true (but suspect it is)

The government care so little about the country all they want to do is “salt the earth” for whoever comes next.
Who cares how much damage is done? All that is important is their return to power.
And still people plan on voting for them…

Fermit

13,029 posts

101 months

Wednesday 24th April
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robemcdonald said:
And still people plan on voting for them…
I suspect only the hardest core of Tory voters will do so. Some, sadly I also know some, would vote Tory whatever.

Boringvolvodriver

8,994 posts

44 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Fermit said:
robemcdonald said:
And still people plan on voting for them…
I suspect only the hardest core of Tory voters will do so. Some, sadly I also know some, would vote Tory whatever.
I know a Tory local councilor (stepping down this time) who has said he won’t vote Tory in the GE. Has said he will probably vote Reform!

Mr Penguin

1,240 posts

40 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Sway said:
Now just think what a hostile actor could do with a container ship loaded up with drones/munitions sailing past London...

At the moment, we have nothing to cope with anything like that. QRA Typhoons aren't doing st.

So I do think there's an argument for a cheap, small, easily supported anti drone/swarm defence capability - and that capability should be deployed properly around our cities and major installations. Something like the Dragonfire isn't a stupid idea.
It doesn't even need a container ship since drones can be built by almost anyone and launched from anywhere. Anyone with a van could launch 100 of them at once. The same goes for cyber warfare - all it takes is for someone in the Russian/Chinese/Iranian government to hack into the servers of a supermarket or petrol station company and the country will go back to panic buying mode and grind to a halt for a week.

Dagnir

1,934 posts

164 months

Wednesday 24th April
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More fake nationalism.

Same as last week.

...and the week before.


smn159

12,705 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th April
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lol


turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Wednesday 24th April
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smn159 said:
lol
A slightly less wet publication could have put up a pic of Starmer in front of opposition benches with the same caption. The two people (Sunak, Starmer) aren't particularly bad people. However there have been too many naughty people occupying benches on both sides of the House in recent years.

Naturally the Eye wants to be seen as hip and withit and right-on and plays to the middle class left wing new age hippy gallery at times like this.

Government detractors would never do anything like that on PH,obviously.


President Merkin

3,045 posts

20 months

Wednesday 24th April
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turbobloke said:
A slightly less wet publication could have put up a pic of Starmer in front of opposition benches with the same caption.
Well it wouldn't now would it Turbs because that would undermine the whole premise of mocking Mark Menzies.

They say the right has no sense of humour, I have no idea where that notion comes from.

turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Cheap shots are cheap. One-sided cheap shots are transparent and cheap. Naturally the aforementioned gallery will lap it up, as we see / will see.

Anyone who thinks that Labour has a better rank and file MP is deluded. Suggesting that a different set of politics makes somebody bad is itself bad rubbish. Left / Labour-type people are not with the angels, though the customary false sense of moral superiority may make it easy for the deluded to believe.

sugerbear

4,056 posts

159 months

Wednesday 24th April
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turbobloke said:
smn159 said:
lol
A slightly less wet publication could have put up a pic of Starmer in front of opposition benches with the same caption. The two people (Sunak, Starmer) aren't particularly bad people. However there have been too many naughty people occupying benches on both sides of the House in recent years.

Naturally the Eye wants to be seen as hip and withit and right-on and plays to the middle class left wing new age hippy gallery at times like this.

Government detractors would never do anything like that on PH,obviously.
the eye is happy to call out both sides because it appeals to people that want their politicians to be honest. Labour are frequently mentioned in the eye but then I expect you have a subscription to the Spectator so that your belief isn't hurt.

President Merkin

3,045 posts

20 months

Wednesday 24th April
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turbobloke said:
Cheap shots are cheap. One-sided cheap shots are transparent and cheap. Naturally the aforementioned gallery will lap it up, as we see / will see.

Anyone who thinks that Labour has a better rank and file MP is deluded. Suggesting that a different set of politics makes somebody bad is itself bad rubbish. Left / Labour-type people are not with the angels, though the customary false sense of moral superiority may make it easy for the deluded to believe.
I'm enjoying that it's 2024 & you have just discovered Private Eye. Are you fresh off a boat from Calais?

Mr Penguin

1,240 posts

40 months

Wednesday 24th April
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turbobloke said:
Anyone who thinks that Labour has a better rank and file MP is deluded.
Which will be especially true if they do win a large majority and win seats that they never thought they could win so didn't put too much effort into checking the candidates.

lauda

3,483 posts

208 months

Wednesday 24th April
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President Merkin said:
turbobloke said:
Cheap shots are cheap. One-sided cheap shots are transparent and cheap. Naturally the aforementioned gallery will lap it up, as we see / will see.

Anyone who thinks that Labour has a better rank and file MP is deluded. Suggesting that a different set of politics makes somebody bad is itself bad rubbish. Left / Labour-type people are not with the angels, though the customary false sense of moral superiority may make it easy for the deluded to believe.
I'm enjoying that it's 2024 & you have just discovered Private Eye. Are you fresh off a boat from Calais?
I'm not sure his thin skin would survive the salty sea air on the crossing.

turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Wednesday 24th April
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lauda said:
President Merkin said:
turbobloke said:
Cheap shots are cheap. One-sided cheap shots are transparent and cheap. Naturally the aforementioned gallery will lap it up, as we see / will see.

Anyone who thinks that Labour has a better rank and file MP is deluded. Suggesting that a different set of politics makes somebody bad is itself bad rubbish. Left / Labour-type people are not with the angels, though the customary false sense of moral superiority may make it easy for the deluded to believe.
I'm enjoying that it's 2024 & you have just discovered Private Eye. Are you fresh off a boat from Calais?
I'm not sure his thin skin would survive the salty sea air on the crossing.
I'm not sure either of you are capable of <not> playing the ball rather than the man, have anything remotely on-topic to offer, or recognise that the Eye front cover is merely an example of what I described, it's not entirely about the Eye per se. Pretending that it is gets attention away from the general fail.

I've read the Eye for years and it's a fun read most of the time, however it's never at its best when mimicking the Left's baseless sense of moral superiority no matter how it happens.

Sunak is making a reasonable fist of the hospital pass from Johnsone but doesn't relate well to the price of a loaf, Kier is making the best of avoiding anything beyond 'not the tories'. Neither are worthy of a vote.

President Merkin

3,045 posts

20 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Classic Turbs snowflakery. Surrounded by a compliant right wing press, still manages to pick out & moan about an unfavourable front page in a low circulation satirical magazine, well known for this sort of thing, gets laughed out of town & whines about personal attacks. Push off pal, you big wet blouse. laugh

turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Wednesday 24th April
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President Merkin said:
Classic Turbs snowflakery. Surrounded by a compliant right wing press, still manages to pick out & moan about an unfavourable front page in a low circulation satirical magazine, well known for this sort of thing, gets laughed out of town & whines about personal attacks. Push off pal, you big wet blouse. laugh
Yet more playing the man not the ball, what a shock! Irony and ad homs to go.

Thanks for the flattering attention, more please. It'll arrive anyway when there's nothing on topic available.

blueg33

35,980 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th April
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turbobloke said:
President Merkin said:
Classic Turbs snowflakery. Surrounded by a compliant right wing press, still manages to pick out & moan about an unfavourable front page in a low circulation satirical magazine, well known for this sort of thing, gets laughed out of town & whines about personal attacks. Push off pal, you big wet blouse. laugh
Yet more playing the man not the ball, what a shock! Thanks for the flattering attention, more please.
To be fair - there doesn't seem to be a ball to play..........