Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
Digga said:
What is within grasp is a conflict so costly in wealth, demographics and infrastructure that the nation implodes and contracts. That goal is realistic, to a significant degree. Every month the war lasts moves Russia further down that cul de sac. It is now clear confiscated wealth is never going back to them.
This says they only have enough funds for 18 months and things will start turning to st around the end of the year.https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1891401/russi...
_Al_ said:
What’s bugging me is the end game. This $60bn and any European / western assistance isn’t going to destroy the Russian war machine.
It’s clear by now that Russia isn’t deterred by steep losses.
The $60bil effectively take the US contribution to the election in December. IF Biden wins and has control of Senate/Congress then that will open the taps again. Although let’s not forget whilst Biden has supported Ukraine things like ATACMS and Abrams would both have done a lot more damage if the Ukranians got them six months earlier.It’s clear by now that Russia isn’t deterred by steep losses.
Trump ? Who knows. He’s been pulling the strings behind the scenes on this vote….there was a renegotiated bill which I think got presented to Congress in Jan or Feb which took a couple of months to negotiate….Trump killed it stone dead in 24 hours. He’s given this $60 bil package the green light…who knows they he changed his mind.
Biggy Stardust said:
Adam. said:
Do you have some links to back this up?
Sounds hopelessly optimistic to me right now unfortunately.
How much is Russia now spending on military v Western contributions ? I read they are firing 10x shells than Ukraine so don’t see that improving beyond 5x even with the new US money
You mention their massive expenditure but can't see how that might be unsustainable? I don't think explanation will work with you.Sounds hopelessly optimistic to me right now unfortunately.
How much is Russia now spending on military v Western contributions ? I read they are firing 10x shells than Ukraine so don’t see that improving beyond 5x even with the new US money
It was a genuine question and am hoping someone can corroborate the opposite, not sure why you responded with that attitude.
Adam. said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Adam. said:
Do you have some links to back this up?
Sounds hopelessly optimistic to me right now unfortunately.
How much is Russia now spending on military v Western contributions ? I read they are firing 10x shells than Ukraine so don’t see that improving beyond 5x even with the new US money
You mention their massive expenditure but can't see how that might be unsustainable? I don't think explanation will work with you.Sounds hopelessly optimistic to me right now unfortunately.
How much is Russia now spending on military v Western contributions ? I read they are firing 10x shells than Ukraine so don’t see that improving beyond 5x even with the new US money
It was a genuine question and am hoping someone can corroborate the opposite, not sure why you responded with that attitude.
They've something like 18-24 months of tanks left such is the rate that they are losing them.
https://youtu.be/0B_4M5dTHIU
Covert cabal's channel on yt covers it.
king arthur said:
Russians are worried now
https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/178288343554...
Is that a Russian TV Programme ?https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/178288343554...
If so, they all appear to have looks of 'what the fk are we doing?' on their faces.
borcy said:
Thank you(Won’t Ukraine stocks run out at a similar or quicker time?)
Bluedot said:
Is that a Russian TV Programme ?
If so, they all appear to have looks of 'what the fk are we doing?' on their faces.
It's Russian state TV and well worth watching for its Bond Villian levels of batsttery. They often contradict themselves, its a great example of vranyo in action if you can stomach watching it.If so, they all appear to have looks of 'what the fk are we doing?' on their faces.
There are a long list of prominent Russians that should hang for this war, Olga Skabeyeva and Solovyov among them.
Adam. said:
borcy said:
Thank you(Won’t Ukraine stocks run out at a similar or quicker time?)
There's a few channels about russias economics issues but most are a bit breathless with the collapse guaranteed every week.
Adam. said:
borcy said:
Thank you(Won’t Ukraine stocks run out at a similar or quicker time?)
America pouring shedloads into production capacity was his topic only two weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/CqjvTKFufuk?feature=shared
Europe spending on capacity from a year ago.
https://youtu.be/LKlIh_-U4bU?feature=shared
Artillery shortages on both sides.
https://youtu.be/EMEpxX7rS5I?feature=shared
king arthur said:
Russians are worried now
https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/178288343554...
Sounds like they are getting their excuses in early for their new (and hopefully soon-to-fail) offensive near Chasiv Yar.https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/178288343554...
Wayoftheflower said:
Adam. said:
borcy said:
Thank you(Won’t Ukraine stocks run out at a similar or quicker time?)
America pouring shedloads into production capacity was his topic only two weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/CqjvTKFufuk?feature=shared
Europe spending on capacity from a year ago.
https://youtu.be/LKlIh_-U4bU?feature=shared
Artillery shortages on both sides.
https://youtu.be/EMEpxX7rS5I?feature=shared
king arthur said:
Another day, another Russian oil depot on fire
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178298072475...
They really must ban smoking in the workplace in Russia, all these accidental fires must be costing a fortune.https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178298072475...
borcy said:
Looks like UKR SF will be busy with their laser pointers in the next few months. borcy said:
Interesting.With a max range of 30km, effective use of these would put the aircraft very much in range of Russian air defence, no?
Cheib said:
_Al_ said:
What’s bugging me is the end game. This $60bn and any European / western assistance isn’t going to destroy the Russian war machine.
It’s clear by now that Russia isn’t deterred by steep losses.
The $60bil effectively take the US contribution to the election in December. IF Biden wins and has control of Senate/Congress then that will open the taps again. Although let’s not forget whilst Biden has supported Ukraine things like ATACMS and Abrams would both have done a lot more damage if the Ukranians got them six months earlier.It’s clear by now that Russia isn’t deterred by steep losses.
Trump ? Who knows. He’s been pulling the strings behind the scenes on this vote….there was a renegotiated bill which I think got presented to Congress in Jan or Feb which took a couple of months to negotiate….Trump killed it stone dead in 24 hours. He’s given this $60 bil package the green light…who knows they he changed his mind.
TheJimi said:
borcy said:
Interesting.With a max range of 30km, effective use of these would put the aircraft very much in range of Russian air defence, no?
If the SAM is 15km away it will then take <15 seconds for the missile to get to you, which isn't helped by the fact that you are pulling some serious g so it's aim point gets pulled around. By that time you are likely back below the radar horizon of the tracking radar. Most if not all of the Russian SAMs are some form of semi active guidance in which case you it won't be able to track you. IR guided missiles are unlikely to have the range to chase a jet aircraft at low level when fired at that range. Something like the British Army's CAAM which has a active radar with data link would most likely still be able to follow you over the horizon.
For extra fun have a friend fire a HARM missile at them.
The best method to stop such an attack is an interceptor with a long range air to air missile which can sit outside the effective range of Ukrainian air defence and drop those missiles on to unsuspecting aircraft that are flying low and slow. Having the F16 means that those interceptor aircraft will need to be pushed back and the aircraft dropping the weapons are more likely to be aware that they are being targeted.
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