45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
mikey_b said:
dvs_dave said:
psi310398 said:
I’m currently in New Mexico (which admittedly is more Democrat than Republican) but I’ve not seen a whisper of Trump support at all anywhere. No truck stickers, no caps, no banners.
You barely, if at all, see it even in places like Florida, Kentucky, and Texas these days. In stark contrast to a few years ago that’s for sure.
tbox pickup.Byker28i said:
They don't go away you know - just Cannon is doing her best to delay until after the election. One might claim possible election interference.
Do you think this helps trump? Whilst it avoids time in court for this case, it opens up the timescale for the DC insurrection prosecution, it means that the Dems can run on "Do you want someone as potus who steals US Secrets, shares it to unauthorised people just to brag and show off"
What happens if it comes out there's more unrecovered, or he's sold it, or given it in return for financial favours? We know trump loves a quid pro quo.
Some of that classified information stolen was stuff about Saudi's neighbours and their capabilities.
They do go away if he wins. Do you think this helps trump? Whilst it avoids time in court for this case, it opens up the timescale for the DC insurrection prosecution, it means that the Dems can run on "Do you want someone as potus who steals US Secrets, shares it to unauthorised people just to brag and show off"
What happens if it comes out there's more unrecovered, or he's sold it, or given it in return for financial favours? We know trump loves a quid pro quo.
Some of that classified information stolen was stuff about Saudi's neighbours and their capabilities.
Also, the insurrection case won’t happen before the election. No trial will happen other than this one that’s ongoing. Given how it’s badged publicly as “hush money” it will be dismissed by most people as just a personal matter.
The jury will spend a month deliberating before a verdict, even if it’s guilty, which it might not be, then the judge will spend ages working out how to punish him. Then there’s the endless timeline for appeals
rscott said:
Was in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago, then Orlando last week - saw one Trump flag in all that time. Far fewer than on previous trips there.
Is your point that you don't think Trump has much support, or you think people prefer not to signal it so overtly?I was in Florida last year - out of curiosity, I spoke with a few locals - seemed to me lots of people were still voting Trump when you spoke with them.
Putting aside the anecdotes, even if you ignore the betting odds, where Trump is still the slight favourite, or the polls, where it still seems extremely close, it's hard to conclude anything other than Trump retaining strong support, whether or not those people chose to display a flag or bumper sticker.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Is your point that you don't think Trump has much support, or you think people prefer not to signal it so overtly?
I was in Florida last year - out of curiosity, I spoke with a few locals - seemed to me lots of people were still voting Trump when you spoke with them.
Putting aside the anecdotes, even if you ignore the betting odds, where Trump is still the slight favourite, or the polls, where it still seems extremely close, it's hard to conclude anything other than Trump retaining strong support, whether or not those people chose to display a flag or bumper sticker.
We're doing the "silent majority" thing again despite the repeated evidence that there is no silent majority and that trump supporters are rarely ever silent.I was in Florida last year - out of curiosity, I spoke with a few locals - seemed to me lots of people were still voting Trump when you spoke with them.
Putting aside the anecdotes, even if you ignore the betting odds, where Trump is still the slight favourite, or the polls, where it still seems extremely close, it's hard to conclude anything other than Trump retaining strong support, whether or not those people chose to display a flag or bumper sticker.
I've spoken to a few former Trump voters, even they aren't voting for him again despite being some of the few who previously benefited from his previous government (read: enough income to benefit from his tax cuts).
captain_cynic said:
We're doing the "silent majority" thing again despite the repeated evidence that there is no silent majority and that trump supporters are rarely ever silent.
I've spoken to a few former Trump voters, even they aren't voting for him again despite being some of the few who previously benefited from his previous government (read: enough income to benefit from his tax cuts).
You are delusional. All the evidence points to it being extremely close. You are in a bubble if you think the result isn't on a knife edge.I've spoken to a few former Trump voters, even they aren't voting for him again despite being some of the few who previously benefited from his previous government (read: enough income to benefit from his tax cuts).
EddieSteadyGo said:
captain_cynic said:
We're doing the "silent majority" thing again despite the repeated evidence that there is no silent majority and that trump supporters are rarely ever silent.
I've spoken to a few former Trump voters, even they aren't voting for him again despite being some of the few who previously benefited from his previous government (read: enough income to benefit from his tax cuts).
You are delusional. All the evidence points to it being extremely close. You are in a bubble if you think the result isn't on a knife edge.I've spoken to a few former Trump voters, even they aren't voting for him again despite being some of the few who previously benefited from his previous government (read: enough income to benefit from his tax cuts).
CivicDuties said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
captain_cynic said:
We're doing the "silent majority" thing again despite the repeated evidence that there is no silent majority and that trump supporters are rarely ever silent.
I've spoken to a few former Trump voters, even they aren't voting for him again despite being some of the few who previously benefited from his previous government (read: enough income to benefit from his tax cuts).
You are delusional. All the evidence points to it being extremely close. You are in a bubble if you think the result isn't on a knife edge.I've spoken to a few former Trump voters, even they aren't voting for him again despite being some of the few who previously benefited from his previous government (read: enough income to benefit from his tax cuts).
"Knife edge"
Eddie really does live in his own little world.
Byker28i said:
Speed 3 said:
Byker28i said:
Meanwhile GOP Rep, Chip Roy makes the claim again that "You've got a massive Muslim takeover of the United Kingdom," and its going to happen in the US as well. Claims London is under Sharia law.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1787994908965396832
He doesn't say that if you actually listen to the clip.https://twitter.com/i/status/1787994908965396832
His actual words are here
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5116539/user-clip-c...
It's a favourite theme of his, trying to rile up racist hatred in the US, in fact the claim yesterday was about the number of foreign born people in the US.
Who previously has shared a video captioned, “Dark times ahead,” which showed an old clip of extremists chanting, “Sharia for U.K.!” in London.
captain_cynic said:
Yep, I'm not the delusional one.
"Knife edge"
Eddie really does live in his own little world.
I just look at the evidence, rather than mixing up what I would like to be true with what is actually true. And whilst you won't believe me, I would prefer Trump to lose in November. "Knife edge"
Eddie really does live in his own little world.
EddieSteadyGo said:
CivicDuties said:
Like the London Mayoral election was last week?
No, not like that. All the polls for London Mayor showed a consistent lead for Khan all the way through.CivicDuties said:
If you'd looked at pretty much any media outlet between the vote and the announcement of the result, you'd have been convinced Susan Hall was going to win.
Speculation whilst votes are being counted isn't evidence. No-one sensible thought Hall was actually going to win. I was referred to specific polling data. paulguitar said:
Now that you're back, it would be interesting to know which of the trump cases you think should be dropped, and for what reasons.
I can't really answer that question fully - for most of the cases I've not read the evidence myself, in detail, so I'd just be regurgitating someone else's opinion. I know that gets a pass on this thread, but I don't like doing it. If you pushed me, my feeling on this case ("Hush Money") is it that probably doesn't pass the criminal threshold, and it should probably have been a misdemeanour. And I think the fraud case (re the over-statement of property values), whilst I think he was actually guilty, the penalty was overly punitive, which will be dramatically reduced on appeal.EddieSteadyGo said:
I can't really answer that question fully - for most of the cases I've not read the evidence myself, in detail, so I'd just be regurgitating someone else's opinion. I know that gets a pass on this thread, but I don't like doing it. If you pushed me, my feeling on this case ("Hush Money") is it that probably doesn't pass the criminal threshold, and it should probably have been a misdemeanour. And I think the fraud case (re the over-statement of property values), whilst I think he was actually guilty, the penalty was overly punitive, which will be dramatically reduced on appeal.
This case isn't about Hush Money though is it? It's about Fraud (and consequential attempt to influence an election in his favour)..Al Gorithum said:
... Are you qualified to determine whether it passes the criminal threshold?
I am not. Which is why I used some important caveats... I said, if I was pushed to give an opinion, my *feeling* would be that it *probably* doesn't pass the criminal threshold. But will look forward to you questioning the credentials of others on this thread, who are far less cautious then I am when giving their view. As you wouldn't want to be inconsistent....Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff