Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

Wednesday 24th April

smn159 said:

hidetheelephants said:

abzmike said:

Mr Habib appears in an interview virtually every day... Ms Hartley-Brewer is hardly a hostile interviewer for him. He has a smooth line of response and is never caught for words. He was very deliberate:

Julia Hartley Brewer, "You would leave asylum seekers to drown in the channel?"

Ben Habib, "Absolutely"

He's on record that he'd break the law and presumably expect the RNLI or others to break the law? At least they're saying the ghastly bits out loud I suppose.

Farage has form with the RNLI, demonstrating what a t

t he is by calling the volunteers who risk their lives to save others a 'migrant taxi service'

Fortunately saner people do not buy into this far right rhetoric, resulting in a huge spike in RNLI donations by the silent majority

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/29/rnli...

The people who harbour disgusting views like Habib and Farage can only number at most 10-12% of the population. They are the weak-minded who are conned into thinking that Reclaim/Reform/Brexit Party can solve all of the problems that the Daily Mail has made them angry about. The silent majority sit in wonder as to how this minority of older voters could become so bitter and twisted as to support a party whose leaders advocate for allowing migrants to drown.

Dave200

3,983 posts

221 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

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hstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

QuartzDad said:

crankedup5 said:

I was waiting to hear / read of the actual input from the interview, rather than the toxic misrepresentations presented earlier.

Clip is 5 minutes long.

https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1782712172256096261

Very poor questioning and talking over the guest whilst he was attempting to answer. Very poor presentation of non answers and disappointing response.They will need to do far better that. It almost has me questioning is this a deep fake clip, it feels and sounds like it.

So either TalkTV put a deep fake video out of an interview with the Co-Deputy Leader of Reform UK in which he said he'd be fine letting migrants drown in the channel.

or

The Co-Deputy Leader of Reform UK really is fine with letting migrants drown in the channel.

Which of those do you think is more likely Cranked? scratchchin

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

Are you, really? From the same party whose candidates walk a daily tightrope of trying not to say overtly racist things in public?

bitchstewie

51,387 posts

211 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

I'm glad you'e shocked as it's a petty gross response.

Given he's Co-Deputy Leader of Reform do you think Habib is likely to be the only person in the leadership of Reform who have that view?

Or do you think he just said the quiet part out loud?

Dave200

3,983 posts

221 months

Wednesday 24th April

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hstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

I'm glad you'e shocked as it's a petty gross response.

Given he's Co-Deputy Leader of Reform do you think Habib is likely to be the only person in the leadership of Reform who have that view?

Or do you think he just said the quiet part out loud?

I think any self-respecting party would call for him to step down. Which is why I expect Reclaim/UKIP-lite to do absolutely nothing, as a huge number of their members are probably angrily nodding in agreement.

turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Wednesday 24th April

Dave200 said:

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hstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

I'm glad you'e shocked as it's a petty gross response.

Given he's Co-Deputy Leader of Reform do you think Habib is likely to be the only person in the leadership of Reform who have that view?

Or do you think he just said the quiet part out loud?

I think any self-respecting party would call for him to step down. Which is why I expect Reclaim/UKIP-lite to do absolutely nothing, as a huge number of their members are probably angrily nodding in agreement.

Wishful thinking? Or if not, evidence?

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 24th April

Dave200 said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. will build a base from 2024 ready for 2029-30.

Support for Reform has doubled to 12% in the last year. Their support in 2029 based on this trend will be 192% of the electorate.

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!

The hilarity of thinking that a party whose entire existence is aimed at tapping into angry old white voters could somehow suddenly move beyond this base.

It might surprise you to learn that the group of people to which you describe as ‘angry old white voters’ will possibly be the same voters who achieved brexit. Arrogance it seems is still predominant amongst some people.

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 24th April

b

hstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

I'm glad you'e shocked as it's a petty gross response.

Given he's Co-Deputy Leader of Reform do you think Habib is likely to be the only person in the leadership of Reform who have that view?

Or do you think he just said the quiet part out loud?

On the more serious side without the usual jousting, I want to hear a response from Tice regarding this. I feel that this is a resigning issue .

valiant

10,273 posts

161 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

Dave200 said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. will build a base from 2024 ready for 2029-30.

Support for Reform has doubled to 12% in the last year. Their support in 2029 based on this trend will be 192% of the electorate.

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!

The hilarity of thinking that a party whose entire existence is aimed at tapping into angry old white voters could somehow suddenly move beyond this base.

It might surprise you to learn that the group of people to which you describe as ‘angry old white voters’ will possibly be the same voters who achieved brexit. Arrogance it seems is still predominant amongst some people.

Unfortunately for all you ‘angry old white voters’ you’re a dying breed. The generation behind you tend to be more broad in their outlook and will look to the rejoining the EU at some point.

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 24th April

MiniMan64 said:

crankedup5 said:

And that same Tory support collapse is the only reason Labour may win the next G.E.

Not sure of the point, that is generally how elections work isn’t it?

Party losing power loses seats and party that wins power takes them?

The point is Tory are going to lose the GE not because Labour offer a better manifesto but the Tory have committed political suicide.It will be a crap new Government instead of an even. ore crappy Government.

mike9009

7,016 posts

244 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

Dave200 said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. will build a base from 2024 ready for 2029-30.

Support for Reform has doubled to 12% in the last year. Their support in 2029 based on this trend will be 192% of the electorate.

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!

The hilarity of thinking that a party whose entire existence is aimed at tapping into angry old white voters could somehow suddenly move beyond this base.

It might surprise you to learn that the group of people to which you describe as ‘angry old white voters’ will possibly be the same voters who achieved brexit. Arrogance it seems is still predominant amongst some people.

And what a resounding success and game changer Brexit has been, hasn't it?

Another reason to not trust the sunny uplands promised by reform.

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 24th April

valiant said:

crankedup5 said:

Dave200 said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. will build a base from 2024 ready for 2029-30.

Support for Reform has doubled to 12% in the last year. Their support in 2029 based on this trend will be 192% of the electorate.

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!

The hilarity of thinking that a party whose entire existence is aimed at tapping into angry old white voters could somehow suddenly move beyond this base.

It might surprise you to learn that the group of people to which you describe as ‘angry old white voters’ will possibly be the same voters who achieved brexit. Arrogance it seems is still predominant amongst some people.

Unfortunately for all you ‘angry old white voters’ you’re a dying breed. The generation behind you tend to be more broad in their outlook and will look to the rejoining the EU at some point.

You may think that the younger generation are more broad in their outlook, whatever that means. But the World is rapidly changing, the West is losing its trading and wealth superiority rapidly to the Asian pacific region alongside Mexico and other emerging economies.
You seem to be saying that you want things to go back to pre brexit, living in the past will not cut it.
If you are fortunate you may grow older and hold different views to those behind you.

Baroque attacks

4,404 posts

187 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

You may think that the younger generation are more broad in their outlook, whatever that means.

Not as narrow would be my guess.

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 24th April

mike9009 said:

crankedup5 said:

Dave200 said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. will build a base from 2024 ready for 2029-30.

Support for Reform has doubled to 12% in the last year. Their support in 2029 based on this trend will be 192% of the electorate.

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!

The hilarity of thinking that a party whose entire existence is aimed at tapping into angry old white voters could somehow suddenly move beyond this base.

It might surprise you to learn that the group of people to which you describe as ‘angry old white voters’ will possibly be the same voters who achieved brexit. Arrogance it seems is still predominant amongst some people.

And what a resounding success and game changer Brexit has been, hasn't it?

Another reason to not trust the sunny uplands promised by reform.

Early days, certainly to early to judge success.

tangerine_sedge

4,798 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th April

turbobloke said:

Wishful thinking? Or if not, evidence?

If the court would take a look at exhibit '1a' your honour, they will see the content of this thread. They should pay special attention to the ramblings of the nuttier end of team reform...

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 24th April

Baroque attacks said:

crankedup5 said:

You may think that the younger generation are more broad in their outlook, whatever that means.

Not as narrow would be my guess.

Whatever that means, broad minded or narrow minded in what context.

bitchstewie

51,387 posts

211 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

b

hstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

I'm glad you'e shocked as it's a petty gross response.

Given he's Co-Deputy Leader of Reform do you think Habib is likely to be the only person in the leadership of Reform who have that view?

Or do you think he just said the quiet part out loud?

On the more serious side without the usual jousting, I want to hear a response from Tice regarding this. I feel that this is a resigning issue .

What do you think Tice is going to say and why do you think he hasn't said it? scratchchin

I may be surprised and Habib will be gone tomorrow but I doubt it.

Reform include some very unpleasant people.

This is what lots of people keep trying to tell you.

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 24th April

tangerine_sedge said:

turbobloke said:

Wishful thinking? Or if not, evidence?

If the court would take a look at exhibit '1a' your honour, they will see the content of this thread. They should pay special attention to the ramblings of the nuttier end of team reform...

[Img]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/07/30/14/5856113.jpg[/thumb]

And yet brought about the biggest single change in politics over decades of lazy inaction from various Governments.
Your Honour Exhibit ‘B’ brexit. smile

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

Hang on, I seem to remember you were quite happy for the RNLI to not rescue people drowning?

mikef

4,882 posts

252 months

Wednesday 24th April

crankedup5 said:

It might surprise you to learn that the group of people to which you describe as ‘angry old white voters’ will possibly be the same voters who achieved brexit.

That’s rather like achieving diarrhoea…

Killboy

7,371 posts

203 months