Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

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dxg

8,257 posts

261 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Are they still on a final salary pension up there?

sherman

13,409 posts

216 months

Wednesday 8th May
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dxg said:
Are they still on a final salary pension up there?
No but every little helps when your as close to retirement age as he is.

Roderick Spode

3,144 posts

50 months

Wednesday 8th May
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NRS said:
Just sounds a bit misogynistic to me. You'd likely not say the same if it was an ugly man in power.
Alec Salmond used to take pelters about his physical appearance when resident in Bute House. There's no point white knighting for Sturgeon, you're not her type laugh

I see on Twitter/X that the appointment of Forbes as DFM has incensed the expected demographics, a great many of whom are furious and will no longer vote SNP. So that's good news. I find it astonishing that a belief in biological reality is now considered an unacceptable position in modern day Scotland.

csd19

2,206 posts

118 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Roderick Spode

3,144 posts

50 months

Wednesday 8th May
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csd19 said:
laugh

Ze Natzional propaganda rag said:
NEW: A deepfake video of John Swinney speaking in Holyrood has gone viral on social media.

The clip, apparently manipulated by AI, has been shared by right-wing social media accounts with large followings and been viewed more than 300,000 times.
https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1788163687...

Seems the SNP's propaganda outlet don't like any parodies of Honest John. "Right wing" oooooooooo boogeyman.

Rick_1138

3,686 posts

179 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Roderick Spode said:
csd19 said:
laugh

Ze Natzional propaganda rag said:
NEW: A deepfake video of John Swinney speaking in Holyrood has gone viral on social media.

The clip, apparently manipulated by AI, has been shared by right-wing social media accounts with large followings and been viewed more than 300,000 times.
https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1788163687...

Seems the SNP's propaganda outlet don't like any parodies of Honest John. "Right wing" oooooooooo boogeyman.
Of course, only right wing people an actually have a lauygh.

remember, when everyones right wing, no one is.

alangla

4,872 posts

182 months

Wednesday 8th May
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alangla said:
Correction, seems Robison hasn’t actually left cabinet, despite the BBC article as published at the time suggesting she had. Swinney has just created another cabinet post, so now up to 11. Why not just put every SNP MSP’s snout into the trough?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-689758...

Mammasaid

3,891 posts

98 months

Wednesday 8th May
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alangla said:
alangla said:
Correction, seems Robison hasn’t actually left cabinet, despite the BBC article as published at the time suggesting she had. Swinney has just created another cabinet post, so now up to 11. Why not just put every SNP MSP’s snout into the trough?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-689758...
So, John Swinney has revealed a largely unchanged line-up:

As well as the Deputy First Minister post Kate Forbes will take on the Economy portfolio and responsibility for Gaelic - WHITE

Shona Robison remains in Cabinet with responsibility for Finance and Local Government - WHITE

Neil Gray remains Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care - WHITE

Jenny Gilruth remains Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills - WHITE

Màiri McAllan remains Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy - WHITE

Fiona Hyslop remains Cabinet Secretary for Transport - WHITE

Mairi Gougeon remains Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands - WHITE

Angus Robertson remains Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture - WHITE

Shirley-Anne Somerville remains Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice - WHITE

And Angela Constance remains Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs. - WHITE

Perhaps Useless had a point! biggrin



irc

7,397 posts

137 months

Wednesday 8th May
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malks222 said:
just change the funding model for nurseries, move it forward a year. the funded 30hrs kicks in when your child turns 3, basically roll that forward to 4 and should solve part of the problem.
The SNP have made the 30 hours free nursery a huge boast. Taking a year away would be a huge embarrassing climb down. Are they really going to do that? In a kinder progressive Scotland?

irc

7,397 posts

137 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Roderick Spode said:
I see on Twitter/X that the appointment of Forbes as DFM has incensed the expected demographics, a great many of whom are furious and will no longer vote SNP..
Excellent. What we need is more of a three way split in the Nat vote for Westminster electoral Armageddon.

sherman

13,409 posts

216 months

Wednesday 8th May
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I think they are more likely to stop free university fees rather than defund the nurseries.

Evercross

6,053 posts

65 months

Wednesday 8th May
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sherman said:
I think they are more likely to stop free university fees rather than defund the nurseries.
Probably this, especially as it was a policy Salmond wanted to be remembered for....


Actually, now I think about it this is probably exactly how it will pan-out as ScotGov has been winding back on the tuition fee funding and uni's are cutting back on places for Scottish students as it is.

Expect a gradual switch to a means-tested system (already effectively in place as uni's are obliged to lower admission requirements for potential students from areas of higher deprivation).

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 8th May 17:40

alangla

4,872 posts

182 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Evercross said:
Probably this, especially as it was a policy Salmond wanted to be remembered for....


Actually, now I think about it this is probably exactly how it will pan-out as ScotGov has been winding back on the tuition fee funding and uni's are cutting back on places for Scottish students as it is.

Expect a gradual switch to a means-tested system (already effectively in place as uni's are obliged to lower admission requirements for potential students from areas of higher deprivation).

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 8th May 17:40
More likely they’ll just keep reducing the funding until everyone who isn’t in a target group is forced to go to an English university (this is already happening for some courses & institutions). They still keep their “free tuition” slogan without mentioning it’s almost impossible to get and funding continues to reduce. I’ve already resigned myself to having to pay for my kids to go to English or foreign Unis, complete with the accommodation costs etc as I doubt they’ll get places at any of the ones in the Central Belt, certainly not any of the Russell Group ones.

Klippie

3,194 posts

146 months

Wednesday 8th May
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csd19 said:
Oh that is tremendous...I had a proper HeeHaw, thanks for posting.

I'll share this around, more people have to see this.

Klippie

3,194 posts

146 months

Wednesday 8th May
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NRS said:
Just sounds a bit misogynistic to me. You'd likely not say the same if it was an ugly man in power.
Sounds like you've got a bit of a thing for Sturgeon to me, don't let her special friend find out...you don't want a well flung iron heading your way.

Yahonza

1,665 posts

31 months

Wednesday 8th May
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So my 3 obvious predictions came to pass - Swinney elected uncontested, Forbes gets a position, and the greens told to eff off.
I wonder how long this will last?

malks222

1,859 posts

140 months

Wednesday 8th May
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irc said:
malks222 said:
just change the funding model for nurseries, move it forward a year. the funded 30hrs kicks in when your child turns 3, basically roll that forward to 4 and should solve part of the problem.
The SNP have made the 30 hours free nursery a huge boast. Taking a year away would be a huge embarrassing climb down. Are they really going to do that? In a kinder progressive Scotland?
i’m sure all the special advisors can spin this…… oh but you will still get the same amount of free hours, we aren’t taking anything away from you, in fact you now get an extra year with your darling little children before they have to start on education/ school…… i think we’re actually doing families a favour….

hidetheelephants

24,731 posts

194 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Evercross said:
irc said:
Trouble ahead. The leader of the Scottish BMA on Radio Scotland this morning asked how the NHS could be sorted out. Higher pay was the gist of the reply. To which the presenter said "but you got 12.5% last year". The reply being "and an agreement to negotiate in future years. So last year's higher than rUK solution presented as Scotland being better was a 1 year only solution.
Here's a 'you heard it here first' moment, so mark the date.

Rumours rumbling along that a fundamental change in the Scottish schooling system is being seriously considered - shortening the primary school years from seven to six. This is being floated as "bringing Scotland into line with other nations" where children start school later, but in reality it is on the table because drastic cuts are required in Scotland's public services wage bills and this is seen as a way to make them palatable in the education sector.

The ground was already prepared for this in how CfE has been implemented, in particular with regards to Interdisciplinary Learning in the early secondary years Broad General Education (or the Primarification of the Secondary Curriculum as I have been calling it amongst my colleagues for a decade now). In practice this means having (IMO substandard) generic lessons that can be delivered by non-subject specialists to Secondary 1 and Secondary 2 pupils, thus allowing Primary qualified teachers who are surplus to requirements in the shrunken Primary sector to be transferred to posts in Secondary schools to fill the gaps left by retiring secondary teachers.

They will no doubt attempt to spin it as a positive thing, avoiding/denying all accusations that it is yet another step in the downgrading of the quality of the Scottish Education system, necessitated by financial constraints caused by profligacy and wastage and the lack of accountability of the public sector as a result of two decades of incompetent, neglectful SNP oversight coming home to roost.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 8th May 17:46
Starting them in primary at 5 is too young, so it's easy enough to spin it as copying the beloved scandinavians who start later, the Finns don't put kids in primary until 7; but they won't do the other stuff, mainly properly funding daycare and the 1 year primary transition class for 6 year olds.

Composer62

1,690 posts

87 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Greens are the only ones to vote against the Cass report :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/08/scotti...

Their true colour is showing fully now (it's not green)

Master Of Puppets

3,288 posts

63 months

Thursday 9th May
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Composer62 said:
Greens are the only ones to vote against the Cass report :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/08/scotti...

Their true colour is showing fully now (it's not green)
Every parent in Scotland needs to be alerted to this lot.