Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

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JagLover

42,444 posts

236 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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anonymoususer said:
Under Labour governments some of the very best TV programmes have been made or have returned I give as evidence:

Doctor Who's return in 2005 - Labour
The Avengers: The Emma Peel years - Labour
Space 1999 - Labour
Thunderbirds -Labour
Spooks - Labour
Life on Mars/ Ashes to Ashes - Labour

This isn't just coincidence and may just be the thing that swings it to voters who like good telly
In counter-point the Conservatives give us a real life Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister.

williamp

19,264 posts

274 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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JagLover said:
In counter-point the Conservatives give us a real life Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister.
Bond was killed under a Concervative governmrnt. Labour will promise no more bloodshed of British spies. And they will have modren, clean vehicles and an oyster card.

Oh, and happy St George Floyd day everyone

President Merkin

3,045 posts

20 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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JagLover said:
In counter-point the Conservatives give us a real life Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister.
In which every principal character spent all their time & effort trying not to get found out. They should bring it back.

vaud

50,597 posts

156 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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President Merkin said:
In which every principal character spent all their time & effort trying not to get found out. They should bring it back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_Prime_Minister_...

They tried, it was dreadful IIRC.

The beauty of the original was in part the script and in part the masterful casting.

S600BSB

4,667 posts

107 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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williamp said:
JagLover said:
In counter-point the Conservatives give us a real life Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister.
Bond was killed under a Concervative governmrnt. Labour will promise no more bloodshed of British spies. And they will have modren, clean vehicles and an oyster card.

Oh, and happy St George Floyd day everyone
Oyster card? When did you last use the underground..

philv

3,945 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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So Sks now calling for a change in the offside law.
Is there anything he won't do or say to win a vote?

valiant

10,265 posts

161 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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philv said:
So Sks now calling for a change in the offside law.
Is there anything he won't do or say to win a vote?
If he got rid of VAR, it’d be a landslide of epic proportions (especially in Coventry…)

Mandat

3,895 posts

239 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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williamp said:
Bond was killed under a Concervative governmrnt. Labour will promise no more bloodshed of British spies. And they will have modren, clean vehicles and an oyster card.

Oh, and happy St George Floyd day everyone
St George Floyd day you say .......

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/04/23/happy-st-georg...

anonymoususer

5,846 posts

49 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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philv said:
So Sks now calling for a change in the offside law.
Is there anything he won't do or say to win a vote?
He hasnt confused it with the hard shoulder on motorways has he ?

Killer2005

19,656 posts

229 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Newsnight running that Labour will be running to nationalise the railways if they win the election.

monkfish1

11,112 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Killer2005 said:
Newsnight running that Labour will be running to nationalise the railways if they win the election.
An easy zero cost thing to do.

The headline belies the reality that it already is, to all intents, nationalised. NOTHING happens without DFT say so. Just wait for the franchises that are still in private hands to run out, then transfer them to the operator of last resort. Which is governmet owned.

You can be sure the actual trains will stay in private hands though.

hidetheelephants

24,463 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th April
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monkfish1 said:
Killer2005 said:
Newsnight running that Labour will be running to nationalise the railways if they win the election.
An easy zero cost thing to do.

The headline belies the reality that it already is, to all intents, nationalised. NOTHING happens without DFT say so. Just wait for the franchises that are still in private hands to run out, then transfer them to the operator of last resort. Which is governmet owned.

You can be sure the actual trains will stay in private hands though.
That; it's near-on all nationalised anyway, short of the ROSCOs, who nobody likes as they're a bunch of parasites.

Mr Penguin

1,239 posts

40 months

Wednesday 24th April
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It will be a vote winner and will improve the liveries a lot. The companies who own the trains make a lot of money but the operating companies don't so it will barely make a dent in fares https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/18/p...

Vanden Saab

14,127 posts

75 months

Wednesday 24th April
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hidetheelephants said:
monkfish1 said:
Killer2005 said:
Newsnight running that Labour will be running to nationalise the railways if they win the election.
An easy zero cost thing to do.

The headline belies the reality that it already is, to all intents, nationalised. NOTHING happens without DFT say so. Just wait for the franchises that are still in private hands to run out, then transfer them to the operator of last resort. Which is governmet owned.

You can be sure the actual trains will stay in private hands though.
That; it's near-on all nationalised anyway, short of the ROSCOs, who nobody likes as they're a bunch of parasites.
Even some of your far-right nutters agree with this. smile
As long as they have proper people running it rather than civil servants as seems to be the proposal. More veal than full bodied red to the left though I would think

JagLover

42,444 posts

236 months

Thursday 25th April
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monkfish1 said:
Killer2005 said:
Newsnight running that Labour will be running to nationalise the railways if they win the election.
An easy zero cost thing to do.

The headline belies the reality that it already is, to all intents, nationalised. NOTHING happens without DFT say so. Just wait for the franchises that are still in private hands to run out, then transfer them to the operator of last resort. Which is governmet owned.
Yep

Smart politics as they are nationalising something to keep those with a fondness for such things onside. Practical implications are virtually zero as the railways have been effectively nationalised since lockdown.

Whether passengers will see any improvement is another matter entirely of course.

Gecko1978

9,728 posts

158 months

Thursday 25th April
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JagLover said:
Yep

Smart politics as they are nationalising something to keep those with a fondness for such things onside. Practical implications are virtually zero as the railways have been effectively nationalised since lockdown.

Whether passengers will see any improvement is another matter entirely of course.
Wonder if we will revert to British Rail and get the old red background white symbol

vaud

50,597 posts

156 months

Thursday 25th April
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Gecko1978 said:
Wonder if we will revert to British Rail and get the old red background white symbol
And 6 day old sandwiches.

Rusty Old-Banger

3,862 posts

214 months

Thursday 25th April
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At last. Some meaty manifesto content. Good on you Kier.

shed driver

2,170 posts

161 months

Thursday 25th April
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It's a pretty smart move. It will appeal to the traditional socialist voters and also the Conservative Party can't exactly say it's a dreadful idea as that's what they have been forced to do over the last few years.

SD.

Tankrizzo

7,278 posts

194 months

Thursday 25th April
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This is a good move, one I'd vote for.