Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
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Wombat3 said:
Mr Penguin said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/quarter-of-pare...
VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
I'm not sure which is worse, the green eyed monster logic behind the policy or the ineptitude of not being able to join the obvious dots and see the obvious impacts.VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
It does not bode well.
Mr Penguin said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/quarter-of-pare...
VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
I didn't know project fear was still going.VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
Mr Penguin said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/quarter-of-pare...
VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
Same old Labour, they just can’t help themselves when it comes down to penalising those striving for the benefit of daughters and sons. VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
crankedup5 said:
Mr Penguin said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/quarter-of-pare...
VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
Same old Labour, they just can’t help themselves when it comes down to penalising those striving for the benefit of daughters and sons. VAT on schools policy will have the obvious effect.
Rufus Stone said:
crankedup5 said:
Same old Labour, they just can’t help themselves when it comes down to penalising those striving for the benefit of daughters and sons.
They will just have to strive a little harder I guess.Rufus Stone said:
crankedup5 said:
Same old Labour, they just can’t help themselves when it comes down to penalising those striving for the benefit of daughters and sons.
They will just have to strive a little harder I guess.That’s the is usual solution offered isn’t it?
Rufus Stone said:
Gecko1978 said:
Or they could do less ab pocket the saving and have the state pick up the tab for their kids education
They could have done that in the first place, but chose not to.Rufus Stone said:
chrispmartha said:
Yes maybe cancel that Netflix subscription, sell the iphone and ‘flat screen’ TV.
That’s the is usual solution offered isn’t it?
Probably the skiing holiday on this occasion. That’s the is usual solution offered isn’t it?
All it will do is make private education even more elitist.
Will probably do wonders for the private tutor business though because those that come out of private schools will have the resources to pay for some of that to still give their kids an advantage.
Wombat3 said:
I'm not sure which is worse, the green eyed monster logic behind the policy or the ineptitude of not being able to join the obvious dots and see the obvious impacts.
It does not bode well.
They can see it. They just don't care. As long as 'the rich' are punished, that's all they want.It does not bode well.
chrispmartha said:
As opposed to the current tory government who just like to ounch down and demonise those less fortunate.
It's an odd one isn't it?Part of me does think it's just a bit of "red meat" to appeal to more traditional Labour voters.
But if you asked me to make a list of all the groups in society that I'm going to feel sorry for I'm afraid people sending their kids to private school who are now going to have to pay a little more to do so are some way down that list.
I wouldn't mind if half the people making a fuss about this seemed so bothered when Rashford was trying to make sure kids got fed during a pandemic.
Priorities eh.
chrispmartha said:
Yes maybe cancel that Netflix subscription, sell the iphone and ‘flat screen’ TV.
That’s the is usual solution offered isn’t it?
I think an element of this will happen; folks will cut back elsewhere; keep the kids in private school and change the car less often, forego a week's holiday in Cornwall, etc. As a result, the VAT take will be even lower...if a family has a post-tax income of (say) £60k and are currently spending £20k of that on school fees, if those fees rise to £24k I strongly suspect they will cut back £4k elsewhere...so the overall increase in the VAT take will be zero.That’s the is usual solution offered isn’t it?
bhstewie said:
I wouldn't mind if half the people making a fuss about this seemed so bothered when Rashford was trying to make sure kids got fed during a pandemic.
Priorities eh
If taxes were higher to enable the government to spend more cash on this stuff, would Rashford still make efforts to avoid them?Priorities eh
bhstewie said:
It's an odd one isn't it?
Part of me does think it's just a bit of "red meat" to appeal to more traditional Labour voters.
But if you asked me to make a list of all the groups in society that I'm going to feel sorry for I'm afraid people sending their kids to private school who are now going to have to pay a little more to do so are some way down that list.
I wouldn't mind if half the people making a fuss about this seemed so bothered when Rashford was trying to make sure kids got fed during a pandemic.
Priorities eh.
It's not about priorities. Labour supporters want to raise taxes on the "rich" even when the tax take is reduced. That's kids in state schools who are going to suffer. It seems like you too are not bothered about state school kids as long as some (the least rich) private school kids suffer.Part of me does think it's just a bit of "red meat" to appeal to more traditional Labour voters.
But if you asked me to make a list of all the groups in society that I'm going to feel sorry for I'm afraid people sending their kids to private school who are now going to have to pay a little more to do so are some way down that list.
I wouldn't mind if half the people making a fuss about this seemed so bothered when Rashford was trying to make sure kids got fed during a pandemic.
Priorities eh.
The article said:
Five separate surveys have now found exactly the same thing: that VAT would cause parents to leave the independent school sector in numbers that would result in a net cost to the taxpayer
bhstewie said:
chrispmartha said:
As opposed to the current tory government who just like to ounch down and demonise those less fortunate.
It's an odd one isn't it?Part of me does think it's just a bit of "red meat" to appeal to more traditional Labour voters.
But if you asked me to make a list of all the groups in society that I'm going to feel sorry for I'm afraid people sending their kids to private school who are now going to have to pay a little more to do so are some way down that list.
I wouldn't mind if half the people making a fuss about this seemed so bothered when Rashford was trying to make sure kids got fed during a pandemic.
Priorities eh.
bhstewie said:
chrispmartha said:
As opposed to the current tory government who just like to ounch down and demonise those less fortunate.
It's an odd one isn't it?Part of me does think it's just a bit of "red meat" to appeal to more traditional Labour voters.
But if you asked me to make a list of all the groups in society that I'm going to feel sorry for I'm afraid people sending their kids to private school who are now going to have to pay a little more to do so are some way down that list.
Priorities eh.
The whole point is that the impact will be equally as great, if not greater on the whole state system as its put under even more load with no significant increase in resources.- to the obvious detriment of all those already in it
If you were designing an education system from scratch obviously you wouldn't start from here, but we are where we are so if you want to change it then there better be a very good plan not to make it worse in the process before you even think about touching it.
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