Angela Rayner to face investigation?
Discussion
blueg33 said:
crankedup5 said:
It’s important that this issue is investigated and outcomes made public. This is a senior politician that could be Deputy Prime Minister later this year. Almost certainly she will not want allegations hanging over her head anymore than the public. It’s a matter of trust and transparency.
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.crankedup5 said:
macron said:
Rufus Stone said:
Angie is doing PMQ's today apparently.
"Dowden says it is a pleasure to be facing Rayner again at PMQs. Any more sessions like this and she will be claiming this is her primary residence."
crankedup5 said:
To be fair we don’t know that,we don’t yet know the depth of other related or non related issues may be attached.
Exactly the same for any car stolen, without doubt there will be other crimes associated, plus a danger to the public at large including loss of life each year to further crimes committed inc dangerous driving.Yet we just get a crime number, if we're lucky.
heebeegeetee said:
crankedup5 said:
macron said:
Rufus Stone said:
Angie is doing PMQ's today apparently.
"Dowden says it is a pleasure to be facing Rayner again at PMQs. Any more sessions like this and she will be claiming this is her primary residence."He also sounded like school boy whose plums hadn’t dropped yet, what was that all about.
blueg33 said:
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.
OkFrom your experience of investigating complex criminal enquires with numerous evidential strands and both current and historical issues with financial forensic analysis needed and likely multi agency involvement
( for starters)
How many officers should GMP assign to the enquiry, how long should it take and what rank/experience and skill set should they have?
Earthdweller said:
blueg33 said:
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.
OkFrom your experience of investigating complex criminal enquires with numerous evidential strands and both current and historical issues with financial forensic analysis needed and likely multi agency involvement
( for starters)
How many officers should GMP assign to the enquiry, how long should it take and what rank/experience and skill set should they have?
At work when we have potential fraud issues, we would use a forensic accountant and a tax expert and then get the police involved when it comes to questioning witnesses and charging.
Earthdweller said:
blueg33 said:
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.
OkFrom your experience of investigating complex criminal enquires with numerous evidential strands and both current and historical issues with financial forensic analysis needed and likely multi agency involvement
( for starters)
That probably involves a lot of coppers, but so far he/she/they feel they have none, and that in itself deepens the insidious affect on society.
Investigating a bit of past CGT dodging requires no coppers; investigating where she lives probably takes one.
blueg33 said:
Earthdweller said:
blueg33 said:
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.
OkFrom your experience of investigating complex criminal enquires with numerous evidential strands and both current and historical issues with financial forensic analysis needed and likely multi agency involvement
( for starters)
How many officers should GMP assign to the enquiry, how long should it take and what rank/experience and skill set should they have?
There is no doubt we sometimes (all) lack a sense of proportionality in this country.
Its all become somewhat "low rent" unfortunately.
Wombat3 said:
blueg33 said:
Earthdweller said:
blueg33 said:
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.
OkFrom your experience of investigating complex criminal enquires with numerous evidential strands and both current and historical issues with financial forensic analysis needed and likely multi agency involvement
( for starters)
How many officers should GMP assign to the enquiry, how long should it take and what rank/experience and skill set should they have?
There is no doubt we sometimes (all) lack a sense of proportionality in this country.
Its all become somewhat "low rent" unfortunately.
UK actually feels like a corrupt tin pot country far too often these days.
blueg33 said:
Wombat3 said:
blueg33 said:
Earthdweller said:
blueg33 said:
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.
OkFrom your experience of investigating complex criminal enquires with numerous evidential strands and both current and historical issues with financial forensic analysis needed and likely multi agency involvement
( for starters)
How many officers should GMP assign to the enquiry, how long should it take and what rank/experience and skill set should they have?
There is no doubt we sometimes (all) lack a sense of proportionality in this country.
Its all become somewhat "low rent" unfortunately.
UK actually feels like a corrupt tin pot country far too often these days.
Imagine how much better off we'd all be if the place wasn't full of thieving t
ts.Doesn't matter which way you look, somebody seems to be on the makeheebeegeetee said:
Earthdweller said:
blueg33 said:
Its important, I agree. But it doesn't need that many people to investigate it.
OkFrom your experience of investigating complex criminal enquires with numerous evidential strands and both current and historical issues with financial forensic analysis needed and likely multi agency involvement
( for starters)
That probably involves a lot of coppers, but so far he/she/they feel they have none, and that in itself deepens the insidious affect on society.
Investigating a bit of past CGT dodging requires no coppers; investigating where she lives probably takes one.
What someone “feels” someone was subjected too doesn’t necessarily equate to a serious criminal offence that requires significant resources
On a scale of 1-10 someone can “feel” their experience rates as a 10 yet those who deal with these matters daily might review it evidentially and rate it in on the same scale as a 1
There are multiple factors to be considered and when you mention a car being stolen overnight off someone’s drive for example, as a victim you might rate the importance as a 10 but realistically the police know it’s solvability rates at 1 or probably less
Sometimes because of various reasons the Police have their hands forced and have to get involved in things they probably wish they didn’t
I’d suggest the Rayner matter is one such case, hence why they initially tried to bat it off, but it wouldn’t go away and became a much bigger issue than a random person committing a summary only offence numerous years ago that cannot be prosecuted due to statutory limitations
Earthdweller said:
I love this place … so so many experts
What someone “feels” someone was subjected too doesn’t necessarily equate to a serious criminal offence that requires significant resources
On a scale of 1-10 someone can “feel” their experience rates as a 10 yet those who deal with these matters daily might review it evidentially and rate it in on the same scale as a 1
There are multiple factors to be considered and when you mention a car being stolen overnight off someone’s drive for example, as a victim you might rate the importance as a 10 but realistically the police know it’s solvability rates at 1 or probably less
Sometimes because of various reasons the Police have their hands forced and have to get involved in things they probably wish they didn’t
I’d suggest the Rayner matter is one such case, hence why they initially tried to bat it off, but it wouldn’t go away and became a much bigger issue than a random person committing a summary only offence numerous years ago that cannot be prosecuted due to statutory limitations
I can’t imagine for one minute they would decide to investigate for the sake of it. There must something worth looking in to.What someone “feels” someone was subjected too doesn’t necessarily equate to a serious criminal offence that requires significant resources
On a scale of 1-10 someone can “feel” their experience rates as a 10 yet those who deal with these matters daily might review it evidentially and rate it in on the same scale as a 1
There are multiple factors to be considered and when you mention a car being stolen overnight off someone’s drive for example, as a victim you might rate the importance as a 10 but realistically the police know it’s solvability rates at 1 or probably less
Sometimes because of various reasons the Police have their hands forced and have to get involved in things they probably wish they didn’t
I’d suggest the Rayner matter is one such case, hence why they initially tried to bat it off, but it wouldn’t go away and became a much bigger issue than a random person committing a summary only offence numerous years ago that cannot be prosecuted due to statutory limitations
Earthdweller said:
I’d suggest the Rayner matter is one such case, hence why they initially tried to bat it off, but it wouldn’t go away and became a much bigger issue than a random person committing a summary only offence numerous years ago that cannot be prosecuted due to statutory limitations
How has it become a bigger issue, beyond the involvement of Tories? Even the Tory who reported her to police won't say what he reported to police.Funny how same Tories were so strongly against police involvement re repeated law breaking in Downing St during lockdown, or Baroness Mone's acquisition of £millions in return for non-suitable PPE, or indeed the govt failing to ensure safety of health workers in their workplace, or Patterson, or Pincher, or countless other crimes.
heebeegeetee said:
Earthdweller said:
I’d suggest the Rayner matter is one such case, hence why they initially tried to bat it off, but it wouldn’t go away and became a much bigger issue than a random person committing a summary only offence numerous years ago that cannot be prosecuted due to statutory limitations
How has it become a bigger issue, beyond the involvement of Tories? Even the Tory who reported her to police won't say what he reported to police.Funny how same Tories were so strongly against police involvement re repeated law breaking in Downing St during lockdown, or Baroness Mone's acquisition of £millions in return for non-suitable PPE, or indeed the govt failing to ensure safety of health workers in their workplace, or Patterson, or Pincher, or countless other crimes.
Or are you succumbing to massive Tribalism, and anyone under the same banner is the same?
Mone is being investigated, and will likely be done for. Downing Street lock downs were investigated and punished. Etc.
I'll repeat - the most amusing part of all these claims about the 'Tories' completely ignored it's being dealt with by pretty much the reddest police force in the country!
heebeegeetee said:
crankedup5 said:
macron said:
Rufus Stone said:
Angie is doing PMQ's today apparently.
"Dowden says it is a pleasure to be facing Rayner again at PMQs. Any more sessions like this and she will be claiming this is her primary residence."xstian said:
heebeegeetee said:
crankedup5 said:
macron said:
Rufus Stone said:
Angie is doing PMQ's today apparently.
"Dowden says it is a pleasure to be facing Rayner again at PMQs. Any more sessions like this and she will be claiming this is her primary residence."He also sounded like school boy whose plums hadn’t dropped yet, what was that all about.
But it’s only knock-a-bout pantomime and a bit of fun.
heebeegeetee said:
crankedup5 said:
To be fair we don’t know that,we don’t yet know the depth of other related or non related issues may be attached.
Exactly the same for any car stolen, without doubt there will be other crimes associated, plus a danger to the public at large including loss of life each year to further crimes committed inc dangerous driving.Yet we just get a crime number, if we're lucky.
crankedup5 said:
I thought the opposite to you. She was certainly rattled
Only if viewed through a Daily Mail-esque filter. For a woman who used to be a cleaner, I think she does really well.And I find it odd that anyone would refer to speaking after the pantomime performances of Bojo.
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