Omaze, win a house??
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Don't think theres anything dodgy they have a house that's worth a million, they get say 2 million that buy ballots. The winner gets the house, Omaze get £1m which they deduct advertising and then give a few hundreds grand to the charity.
I worked with plenty of people that thought the National Lottery was a con used to hear "nobody ever wins" then one day a colleague won a million on the lottery. He didn't hang about handing in his notice.
Then about 60 years ago the factory my grandmother worked had a raffle for a new Morris Minor, one ticket left it was offered to her, and my gran said '' there's no chance of winning that" so another lady bought it. Then they pulled out that number as the winning ticket.
You have to be in it to win it.
I worked with plenty of people that thought the National Lottery was a con used to hear "nobody ever wins" then one day a colleague won a million on the lottery. He didn't hang about handing in his notice.
Then about 60 years ago the factory my grandmother worked had a raffle for a new Morris Minor, one ticket left it was offered to her, and my gran said '' there's no chance of winning that" so another lady bought it. Then they pulled out that number as the winning ticket.
You have to be in it to win it.
Unreal said:
DonkeyApple said:
By donating a percentage to charity and by offering free entry you bypass the need for a gaming license and regulation.
I set up the structure for this in the U.K. in 2008. The problem back then was payment processing. You could get a legitimate gateway to take the payments.
There is no requirement to make a donate a percentage to charity to ensure the draw is not classed as a lottery and would therefore come under scrutiny by the Gambling Commission. The charity donation element is a mix of marketing as well as the simple fact of helping a good cause.I set up the structure for this in the U.K. in 2008. The problem back then was payment processing. You could get a legitimate gateway to take the payments.
You still can still use legitimate gateways. Stripe are commonly used. PayPal won't play. Edit - you may have meant you couldn't get a legitimate payment gateway back then.
As I said earlier in this thread, I know all about running house prize draws and I'm happy to share that information. The biggest problem is that a significant number of people have some kind of negative agenda and simply won't listen to those answers. If you look at the social media comments Omaze receive, you'll see hundreds of people claiming the properties don't exist, they are only won by mates of Omaze, people should donate direct to the charity, etc, etc. Omaze are quite good in challenging misinformation but these people simply won't listen to the facts.
Edited by Unreal on Saturday 13th August 07:07
Edited by Unreal on Saturday 13th August 07:11
If I roughly recall it was a get around for the game of skill element required to define it as a completion over a raffle.
Re payment gateways, back in 2008 Stripe didn't exist and there was no legitimate way to process such payments safely as they were either classified as gambling or as high chargeback risk. The only two options were to use the offshore systems set up for porn and gambling but many U.K. cards declined these systems or to use the electronic DD but that had obvious barriers to entry issues.
You can trace back the explosion in competition sites beyond BoTB to the point when efficient payment processing became plausible.
DonkeyApple said:
That isn't correct. There is a specific reason for donating a percentage to charity. My partner and I were the people who had the rules for this legally defined. Unfortunately it being so long ago I cannot recall the specific reason for the charity donation element and what it helps you avoid.
If I roughly recall it was a get around for the game of skill element required to define it as a completion over a raffle.
Re payment gateways, back in 2008 Stripe didn't exist and there was no legitimate way to process such payments safely as they were either classified as gambling or as high chargeback risk. The only two options were to use the offshore systems set up for porn and gambling but many U.K. cards declined these systems or to use the electronic DD but that had obvious barriers to entry issues.
You can trace back the explosion in competition sites beyond BoTB to the point when efficient payment processing became plausible.
Nope. No charity donation is required to run a prize draw. Point to the legislation if you disagree. There may be different rules around lotteries - I wouldn't know.If I roughly recall it was a get around for the game of skill element required to define it as a completion over a raffle.
Re payment gateways, back in 2008 Stripe didn't exist and there was no legitimate way to process such payments safely as they were either classified as gambling or as high chargeback risk. The only two options were to use the offshore systems set up for porn and gambling but many U.K. cards declined these systems or to use the electronic DD but that had obvious barriers to entry issues.
You can trace back the explosion in competition sites beyond BoTB to the point when efficient payment processing became plausible.
I could dig out our records for the specific reason but there is very much a purpose in giving a percentage away. Like the free entry is essential for bypassing Gaming requirements.
The charity element may have been the legal workaround for the skill section required to classify a system as a competition and not a lottery/raffle.
Is Omaze a game of skill?
The charity element may have been the legal workaround for the skill section required to classify a system as a competition and not a lottery/raffle.
Is Omaze a game of skill?
DonkeyApple said:
I could dig out our records for the specific reason but there is very much a purpose in giving a percentage away. Like the free entry is essential for bypassing Gaming requirements.
The charity element may have been the legal workaround for the skill section required to classify a system as a competition and not a lottery/raffle.
Is Omaze a game of skill?
There really isn't any legal requirement to give away a percentage to charity for any mandatory reason if you are running a prize draw. Maybe that was a workaround in 2008 but it isn't the case now. You'll see donations vary as well.The charity element may have been the legal workaround for the skill section required to classify a system as a competition and not a lottery/raffle.
Is Omaze a game of skill?
The skill section is still mandatory and although the Gambling Commission provide some guidance on this, it remains fairly subjective and the GC do not act as arbiters in that they will not authorise or approve a prize draw.
Omaze house competitions are prize draws. The two key elements that make them so and distinguish them from lotteries are the 'skill question' and the 'free entry route'.
Yes. Those two elements are integral to keeping it as a competition and away from needing a license.
The charity donation element is bugging me as there is/was a very specific reason for it. I wondering if back when we set this up in the U.K. it was a route to bypass the free entry or skill section and remain outside of gaming. Short of digging out the legal files I just can't remember the specifics.
The charity donation element is bugging me as there is/was a very specific reason for it. I wondering if back when we set this up in the U.K. it was a route to bypass the free entry or skill section and remain outside of gaming. Short of digging out the legal files I just can't remember the specifics.
MitchT said:
I see the latest house is on top of a cliff and accessed via a lift from the entrance/garage at the bottom of the cliff. Can't see any other means of getting in/out!
It's also been built within spitting distance of a holiday park.
Edited by KingNothing on Saturday 13th August 12:25
KingNothing said:
MitchT said:
I see the latest house is on top of a cliff and accessed via a lift from the entrance/garage at the bottom of the cliff. Can't see any other means of getting in/out!
It's also been built within spitting distance of a holiday park.Edited by KingNothing on Saturday 13th August 12:25
A raffle is an ideal way to sell certain houses where the normal potential buyer with the funds wouldn't want to pay anywhere near what the perceived value is because of various factors that are intolerable at that income and wealth bracket.
Fractional selling such as a raffle grants access to millions of people who wouldn't car if there was a puppy slaughter house in the living room.
Fractional selling such as a raffle grants access to millions of people who wouldn't car if there was a puppy slaughter house in the living room.
Won the 3million house , and up for sale for 4 million, good luck
https://www.ladbible.com/news/3m-mansion-winners-s...
https://www.ladbible.com/news/3m-mansion-winners-s...
FilH said:
Won the 3million house , and up for sale for 4 million, good luck
https://www.ladbible.com/news/3m-mansion-winners-s...
To be fair I wonder how many winners actually do move and live in their new homes they've won.https://www.ladbible.com/news/3m-mansion-winners-s...
I wanted that house as I love Cornwall, but doubt I'd live in it full time.
I love Cornwall and had a punt at it too, but running that on a modest income would have been a challenge. Also, it was in the middle of nowhere down a long, narrow road where coming head-to-head with an oncoming vehicle would necessitate a lot of reversing.
I'd have flogged it and spent £1m on something much smaller in the St Ives/Carbis Bay area, walkable to shops and beaches, and kept the other £2m to invest in doing it up and making it as energy efficient as possible while leaving myself with a big pile of cash.
I'd have flogged it and spent £1m on something much smaller in the St Ives/Carbis Bay area, walkable to shops and beaches, and kept the other £2m to invest in doing it up and making it as energy efficient as possible while leaving myself with a big pile of cash.
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