Rats in garden...

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Happy Jim

970 posts

240 months

Thursday 18th April
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We’re currently on day 4 of peanut butter mixed with bicarbonate of soda - the bicarbonate reacts with their stomach acid and froths up. Rats don’t have reflux/puke capability so it compresses their diaphragm and ……..so far does sweet f all!

Traps next!

RGG

258 posts

18 months

Thursday 18th April
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We had "a squirrel" possibly "two" visiting our feeders.

I put a trap out - peanut butter, caught one, baited it caught two, baited it caught three. then four in the space of a few days and repeat.

You see where this is going.

Edited by RGG on Thursday 18th April 20:14

borcy

2,891 posts

57 months

Thursday 18th April
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If you have any furniture in the garden keep moving it about, rats are pretty cautious.

They don't like white vinegar, cheap enough.

SmithCorona

616 posts

30 months

Thursday 18th April
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Good shout on both of those options. Plenty of humane and non lethal approaches.

Japveesix

4,481 posts

169 months

Thursday 18th April
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SmithCorona said:
Good shout on both of those options. Plenty of humane and non lethal approaches.
That's not the PH way though. At any sign of a rat you must panic and then chuck poison everywhere, not giving the slightest feck what chooses to eat it, and if that doesn't work try feeding them weird concotions of chemicals so they die painful, lingering deaths in your garden.

As a side note we've had occasional rat visitors on and off for years, alongside the badgers, hedgehogs, foxes etc. They haven't multiplied (in fact they don't tend to last too long due to the abundant predators) and we've never had a single issue with one chewing wires, getting in the house or doing any other noticeable damage.

They can be quite entertaining to watch too. You don't have to immediately panic because there's a rat in the garden, they're pretty much everywhere you go anyway you've just made them slightly easier to spot by giving them a peaceful and openly visible food source.

Deep Thought

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35,841 posts

198 months

Thursday 18th April
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Promised Land said:
Probably telling you to suck eggs but the DOC150 and any other spring trap needs to be in an enclosed box, ideally with baffles to slow the rat down, no need to bait and not set it, set all your traps from the off and bait.

Be careful with the DOC150, very powerful springs, if you catch a rat in it you’ll see how powerful as it crunches the skull.
Thanks yes, we got the enclosed box for it too. It arrived today. Makes the other two look like toys by comparison, to the extent that we're going to send them back.

Will get it set tomorrow.

SmithCorona

616 posts

30 months

Thursday 18th April
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Japveesix said:
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Agreed. We are in the country in the woods, with a stream and ponds. So we get literally everything: otters, rats, herons, badgers, all the birds of prey, and an army of squirrels.

None of them actually cause an issue, they are all just trying to survive whilst passing through.

I've had much worse experiances with the homo sapien variety.

Caddyshack

10,830 posts

207 months

Friday 19th April
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SmithCorona said:
Japveesix said:
stuff
Agreed. We are in the country in the woods, with a stream and ponds. So we get literally everything: otters, rats, herons, badgers, all the birds of prey, and an army of squirrels.

None of them actually cause an issue, they are all just trying to survive whilst passing through.

I've had much worse experiances with the homo sapien variety.
Based on your split of wildlife I would imagine the otter and the birds of prey would keep the populations under control in a normal balanced eco system....if you then started to add a lot of messy bird feed you might find that the Rat population explodes to the point that normal predators wouldn't cope...I think that is the gist of most replies on this thread?

Promised Land

4,734 posts

210 months

Friday 19th April
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Deep Thought said:
Thanks yes, we got the enclosed box for it too. It arrived today. Makes the other two look like toys by comparison, to the extent that we're going to send them back.

Will get it set tomorrow.
I did say the Amazon ones would be no good.

DOC 150 were designed for New Zealand as they put a ban on Fenn mk 4 and 6’s as they suggest it’s not humane how they crush the target species body rather than a hammer blow to the skull like the DOC, as I said I’d swap my dozen or so Fenns for your one DOC, I only have one of them but it’s the most used, easiest to set up and easiest to dispatch of the catch after.

usn90

1,419 posts

71 months

Friday 19th April
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Do you have close neighbours?

If so wouldn’t it be neighbourly to stop attracting rats if you know you are the cause, the best deterrent will be no longer supplying the food

I’d be pretty annoyed having rats in my garden because next door are attracting them

Deep Thought

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35,841 posts

198 months

Friday 19th April
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Promised Land said:
I did say the Amazon ones would be no good.
You did. And you were right smile

I'd ordered them by the time you first posted.

I'll return them.




Edited by Deep Thought on Friday 19th April 12:24

Deep Thought

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35,841 posts

198 months

Friday 19th April
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Promised Land said:
DOC 150 were designed for New Zealand as they put a ban on Fenn mk 4 and 6’s as they suggest it’s not humane how they crush the target species body rather than a hammer blow to the skull like the DOC, as I said I’d swap my dozen or so Fenns for your one DOC, I only have one of them but it’s the most used, easiest to set up and easiest to dispatch of the catch after.
Thanks yes. I'll get it loaded up after work and let you know how i get on.

Deep Thought

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35,841 posts

198 months

Friday 19th April
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usn90 said:
Do you have close neighbours?
No

Caddyshack

10,830 posts

207 months

Saturday 20th April
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usn90 said:
Do you have close neighbours?

If so wouldn’t it be neighbourly to stop attracting rats if you know you are the cause, the best deterrent will be no longer supplying the food

I’d be pretty annoyed having rats in my garden because next door are attracting them
It could easily be neighbours attracting them, we had some on our compost heap, I mentioned to my neighbour that I had shot them and he said his neighbour on the other side had chickens and there were rats running about at dusk… I would never have known, it may have seemed to me that my compost was attracting them but I was, in fact, just getting the overspill.

If you remove the food source they won’t travel far at first to find the new food….at the neighbours house.

usn90

1,419 posts

71 months

Saturday 20th April
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Caddyshack said:
usn90 said:
Do you have close neighbours?

If so wouldn’t it be neighbourly to stop attracting rats if you know you are the cause, the best deterrent will be no longer supplying the food

I’d be pretty annoyed having rats in my garden because next door are attracting them
It could easily be neighbours attracting them, we had some on our compost heap, I mentioned to my neighbour that I had shot them and he said his neighbour on the other side had chickens and there were rats running about at dusk… I would never have known, it may have seemed to me that my compost was attracting them but I was, in fact, just getting the overspill.

If you remove the food source they won’t travel far at first to find the new food….at the neighbours house.
Fair point, however the same would apply to that person within reason.

In this case the OP has said he has no next door neighbours so no worries there I guess

Cheib

23,273 posts

176 months

Saturday 20th April
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We have electric rodent traps which can be used with mains or battery power. Work very well and once the dead mouse or rat is deposited on the lawn a Red Kite normally has it within minutes.

Evanivitch

20,117 posts

123 months

Saturday 20th April
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Caddyshack said:
SmithCorona said:
Japveesix said:
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Agreed. We are in the country in the woods, with a stream and ponds. So we get literally everything: otters, rats, herons, badgers, all the birds of prey, and an army of squirrels.

None of them actually cause an issue, they are all just trying to survive whilst passing through.

I've had much worse experiances with the homo sapien variety.
Based on your split of wildlife I would imagine the otter and the birds of prey would keep the populations under control in a normal balanced eco system....if you then started to add a lot of messy bird feed you might find that the Rat population explodes to the point that normal predators wouldn't cope...I think that is the gist of most replies on this thread?
There's a relatively big difference between assuming there are rats, seeing signs of rats, and seeing rats in broad daylight in the open.

The latter is usually a sign that there is insufficient predators in that part of the world or too good conditions (food, water, shelter) and the population is booming.

Neighbour had chickens. We ended up with rats nesting in brick shed. The shed was need of repair anyway but issue had to be addressed.

Caddyshack

10,830 posts

207 months

Saturday 20th April
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Evanivitch said:
Caddyshack said:
SmithCorona said:
Japveesix said:
stuff
Agreed. We are in the country in the woods, with a stream and ponds. So we get literally everything: otters, rats, herons, badgers, all the birds of prey, and an army of squirrels.

None of them actually cause an issue, they are all just trying to survive whilst passing through.

I've had much worse experiances with the homo sapien variety.
Based on your split of wildlife I would imagine the otter and the birds of prey would keep the populations under control in a normal balanced eco system....if you then started to add a lot of messy bird feed you might find that the Rat population explodes to the point that normal predators wouldn't cope...I think that is the gist of most replies on this thread?
There's a relatively big difference between assuming there are rats, seeing signs of rats, and seeing rats in broad daylight in the open.

The latter is usually a sign that there is insufficient predators in that part of the world or too good conditions (food, water, shelter) and the population is booming.

Neighbour had chickens. We ended up with rats nesting in brick shed. The shed was need of repair anyway but issue had to be addressed.
I was commenting on the poster who said they had rats, otters, badgers etc and that they didn’t cause an issue. Not the OP dilemma.

Totally agree that when you see rats there will be 10 more per rate you see as the population has hit the point where they are everywhere.

Deep Thought

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35,841 posts

198 months

Sunday 21st April
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Promised Land said:
I did say the Amazon ones would be no good.

DOC 150 were designed for New Zealand as they put a ban on Fenn mk 4 and 6’s as they suggest it’s not humane how they crush the target species body rather than a hammer blow to the skull like the DOC, as I said I’d swap my dozen or so Fenns for your one DOC, I only have one of them but it’s the most used, easiest to set up and easiest to dispatch of the catch after.
So i've had the DOC 150 out and set up since Friday.

This is the setup i went for

https://www.strangfordincubators.com/product/stran...

And this is how it how it looks when set out



Enty hole in to first compartment, entry hole then in to second compartment where the trap is and lies flat, this section open at far side of that with a place to put the food.

So, one way in at one end. Other end vented with holes.

Put it out on Friday with a lump of snickers chocolate bar in the food part along with some peanuts and sunflower seeds.

I wore gloves the whole time too.

The rats have had a look round it but havent went in.

I've moved it today here down a bit further and right beside where they come out of the hedge. I put some sunflower seeds - just one or two - in the front compartment to lure them in with a false sense of security.

Did that 15 mins ago.

To be honest - i thought we'd have had success by now.

Disappointed that we're well in to day 2 and nothing.

Is there any different bait i should be trying?

To be honest, up until now they'd have fought you for sunflower seeds and peanuts, so thought i was on to a winner with those....

FMOB

881 posts

13 months

Sunday 21st April
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Deep Thought said:
Promised Land said:
I did say the Amazon ones would be no good.

DOC 150 were designed for New Zealand as they put a ban on Fenn mk 4 and 6’s as they suggest it’s not humane how they crush the target species body rather than a hammer blow to the skull like the DOC, as I said I’d swap my dozen or so Fenns for your one DOC, I only have one of them but it’s the most used, easiest to set up and easiest to dispatch of the catch after.
So i've had the DOC 150 out and set up since Friday.

This is the setup i went for

https://www.strangfordincubators.com/product/stran...

And this is how it how it looks when set out



Enty hole in to first compartment, entry hole then in to second compartment where the trap is and lies flat, this section open at far side of that with a place to put the food.

So, one way in at one end. Other end vented with holes.

Put it out on Friday with a lump of snickers chocolate bar in the food part along with some peanuts and sunflower seeds.

I wore gloves the whole time too.

The rats have had a look round it but havent went in.

I've moved it today here down a bit further and right beside where they come out of the hedge. I put some sunflower seeds - just one or two - in the front compartment to lure them in with a false sense of security.

Did that 15 mins ago.

To be honest - i thought we'd have had success by now.

Disappointed that we're well in to day 2 and nothing.

Is there any different bait i should be trying?

To be honest, up until now they'd have fought you for sunflower seeds and peanuts, so thought i was on to a winner with those....
You have made a change to their environment, I think it takes several days before they become comfortable with it let alone go for the bait.