Anyones spouse got an Irish passport?
Discussion
Gazzas86 said:
My mum has recently recieved her Irish passport, Her Grandparents were Irish therefore qualified for an Irish Passport. It helps them massively as they travel to Spain/Portugal on their motorhome for months of the year, and thus get around the 180day/year rule.
My question is..... By my mum having an Irish passport, does that entitle me or my sister to apply for one?, how far down the line can you apply for one, anyone know?
I’m in the same boat; my dad can have an Irish passport because his grandfather was Irish. My question is..... By my mum having an Irish passport, does that entitle me or my sister to apply for one?, how far down the line can you apply for one, anyone know?
I had a conversation with an solicitor and yes, I (and you) can also get an Irish passport but you need to prove that you have a great interest in Ireland, your cultural heritage, go to Irish clubs in your area, stuff like that. It can be done but you and I are right at the end of the line, so to speak.
PF62 said:
I have an Irish (and British) passport, but my wife only holds a British passport.
No idea about the work situation because I am beyond that, but for travel, whilst I am in the EU with my wife then the 90/180 day rule doesn’t count for her because it would be an infringement of the EU right to *my* family life and an infringement of *my* freedom of movement.
We don’t have to travel together for that to happen (according to the EU Border Guards manual I have been sad enough to read) but no idea how that would be proved - presumably I would have to show flight history etc. if she was queried as she *does* get a date stamp in her passport but obviously I don’t with my Irish passport - and actually as I have the Irish passport card there is nothing to stamp,
Going forward it is all going to be regulated by ETIAS and EES as she will declare on the ETIAS that she is married to an EU citizen and then EES will track both of us.
We don’t spend more than three months in a single EU country, just a couple of months here and month there and a couple ther, etc, so haven’t had to concern ourselves with residency.
Even though she has a British passport when we travel together she is entitled to accompany me in the shorter ‘non-Britisher’ queue.
One thing important is that *only* applies to those legally married or those in a legally certified civil partnership, and *doesn’t* apply to people simply living as a couple.
I am a UK/Eire dual national and my wife is a UK citizen. The reply above is comprehensive and 100% correctNo idea about the work situation because I am beyond that, but for travel, whilst I am in the EU with my wife then the 90/180 day rule doesn’t count for her because it would be an infringement of the EU right to *my* family life and an infringement of *my* freedom of movement.
We don’t have to travel together for that to happen (according to the EU Border Guards manual I have been sad enough to read) but no idea how that would be proved - presumably I would have to show flight history etc. if she was queried as she *does* get a date stamp in her passport but obviously I don’t with my Irish passport - and actually as I have the Irish passport card there is nothing to stamp,
Going forward it is all going to be regulated by ETIAS and EES as she will declare on the ETIAS that she is married to an EU citizen and then EES will track both of us.
We don’t spend more than three months in a single EU country, just a couple of months here and month there and a couple ther, etc, so haven’t had to concern ourselves with residency.
Even though she has a British passport when we travel together she is entitled to accompany me in the shorter ‘non-Britisher’ queue.
One thing important is that *only* applies to those legally married or those in a legally certified civil partnership, and *doesn’t* apply to people simply living as a couple.
Edited by PF62 on Monday 12th February 19:02
Dog Star said:
I’m in the same boat; my dad can have an Irish passport because his grandfather was Irish.
I had a conversation with an solicitor and yes, I (and you) can also get an Irish passport but you need to prove that you have a great interest in Ireland, your cultural heritage, go to Irish clubs in your area, stuff like that. It can be done but you and I are right at the end of the line, so to speak.
The Irish government guidelines on getting citizenship based on Irish descent (beyond grandparent) or Irish associations is here - I had a conversation with an solicitor and yes, I (and you) can also get an Irish passport but you need to prove that you have a great interest in Ireland, your cultural heritage, go to Irish clubs in your area, stuff like that. It can be done but you and I are right at the end of the line, so to speak.
www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/ap...
The key section is -
The fact that the Act provides for the use of discretion should not be taken that it is policy to do so on the sole basis of Irish descent or Irish associations. There is no right or entitlement to have any of the statutory conditions waived even where the applicant comes within the certain circumstances defined. It is entirely at the Minister’s discretion and this discretion is used very rarely and only under the most exceptional and compelling circumstances.
My understanding is that the chance of getting citizenship by this route is slim to zero, and that if it has been promoted by a legal firm as a way to get citizenship then it is simply an opportunity for them to extract cash from you for preparing an application and challenging decisions before you get a final refusal.
PF62 said:
The Irish government guidelines on getting citizenship based on Irish descent (beyond grandparent) or Irish associations is here -
www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/ap...
The key section is -
The fact that the Act provides for the use of discretion should not be taken that it is policy to do so on the sole basis of Irish descent or Irish associations. There is no right or entitlement to have any of the statutory conditions waived even where the applicant comes within the certain circumstances defined. It is entirely at the Minister’s discretion and this discretion is used very rarely and only under the most exceptional and compelling circumstances.
My understanding is that the chance of getting citizenship by this route is slim to zero, and that if it has been promoted by a legal firm as a way to get citizenship then it is simply an opportunity for them to extract cash from you for preparing an application and challenging decisions before you get a final refusal.
Yes - I didn’t pursue it for that reason. Looked like a serious amount of work for a slim chance of a good outcome. www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/ap...
The key section is -
The fact that the Act provides for the use of discretion should not be taken that it is policy to do so on the sole basis of Irish descent or Irish associations. There is no right or entitlement to have any of the statutory conditions waived even where the applicant comes within the certain circumstances defined. It is entirely at the Minister’s discretion and this discretion is used very rarely and only under the most exceptional and compelling circumstances.
My understanding is that the chance of getting citizenship by this route is slim to zero, and that if it has been promoted by a legal firm as a way to get citizenship then it is simply an opportunity for them to extract cash from you for preparing an application and challenging decisions before you get a final refusal.
Apologies for piggybacking on this thread but as there seems to be some knowledgeable people on here I thought I’d ask!
We have a slightly unusual situation. I’m eligible for an Irish passport as my mum was born there (and my grandparents were born and lived there but are dead now). I have all the paperwork I’d need I think.
But, I kind of feel there’s not a lot of point me getting one unless my wife can. And I think she can but her situation is less straight forward!
Her mum is one of the Irish babies who were shipped out of Ireland and adopted in the U.K. Her mum’s parents are both Irish (although she was born in England in a ‘home’) and she has details of both her parents but she’s never spoken to her dad (my wife’s granddad) and was in touch with her mum but they didn’t seem keen so contact has fizzled out. As such there isn’t really any way to get copies of their documents like birth certificates etc. She has various documents from when she was adopted in her original name listing her parents names and addresses but that’s about it.
We’ve done some googling and can find various things about if you’re adopted the other way (to Irish parents) but nothing like this. I’m guessing it isn’t uncommon and there’s likely help to be had but we’re not sure where to start. Maybe a call to the embassy?
My wife’s always had this slightly strange feeling/obsession with Ireland since way before she knew her mum’s history so there isn’t a particularly logical or practical reason for her wanting an Irish passport other than I think she feels she’d like some part of that bit of the story!
We have a slightly unusual situation. I’m eligible for an Irish passport as my mum was born there (and my grandparents were born and lived there but are dead now). I have all the paperwork I’d need I think.
But, I kind of feel there’s not a lot of point me getting one unless my wife can. And I think she can but her situation is less straight forward!
Her mum is one of the Irish babies who were shipped out of Ireland and adopted in the U.K. Her mum’s parents are both Irish (although she was born in England in a ‘home’) and she has details of both her parents but she’s never spoken to her dad (my wife’s granddad) and was in touch with her mum but they didn’t seem keen so contact has fizzled out. As such there isn’t really any way to get copies of their documents like birth certificates etc. She has various documents from when she was adopted in her original name listing her parents names and addresses but that’s about it.
We’ve done some googling and can find various things about if you’re adopted the other way (to Irish parents) but nothing like this. I’m guessing it isn’t uncommon and there’s likely help to be had but we’re not sure where to start. Maybe a call to the embassy?
My wife’s always had this slightly strange feeling/obsession with Ireland since way before she knew her mum’s history so there isn’t a particularly logical or practical reason for her wanting an Irish passport other than I think she feels she’d like some part of that bit of the story!
My brother and I didn't originally apply for Irish Citizenship through my long gone Grandad as we thought trying to get hold of birth/death/marriage certificates would be nigh on impossible.
It was my brother's wife who found everything via Ancestry, so you could try that.
And others have said, your wife will have the same privileges as an EU passport holder as long as she travels with you.
It was my brother's wife who found everything via Ancestry, so you could try that.
And others have said, your wife will have the same privileges as an EU passport holder as long as she travels with you.
Thanks all, I must admit I didn’t realise that about the spouse thing.
I’m not entirely sure why she wants to do it so much in all honesty. Doesn’t seem a lot of logic as we’ve no real plans to use the benefits of having the Irish passport/s yet so I think it’s maybe a bit more of a want to feel part of the Irish ‘thing’. She’s always loved the place and felt connected to Ireland even before she knew her ancestry there. Plus her mum always seems a little lost in her background from being adopted from there so maybe a little closure or something. Who knows, but she’d like to do it so no harm really just need to work out how!
I’m not entirely sure why she wants to do it so much in all honesty. Doesn’t seem a lot of logic as we’ve no real plans to use the benefits of having the Irish passport/s yet so I think it’s maybe a bit more of a want to feel part of the Irish ‘thing’. She’s always loved the place and felt connected to Ireland even before she knew her ancestry there. Plus her mum always seems a little lost in her background from being adopted from there so maybe a little closure or something. Who knows, but she’d like to do it so no harm really just need to work out how!
Another new advantage to having an Irish passport.
China have cherry picked various EU countries, not all, that are now allowed to travel to China visa free for up to 14 days.
Ireland included but not the UK.
Don't thank me, just take your missus to see the pandas at Chengdu zoo for a few days
China have cherry picked various EU countries, not all, that are now allowed to travel to China visa free for up to 14 days.
Ireland included but not the UK.
Don't thank me, just take your missus to see the pandas at Chengdu zoo for a few days
srob said:
Apologies for piggybacking on this thread but as there seems to be some knowledgeable people on here I thought I’d ask!
We have a slightly unusual situation. I’m eligible for an Irish passport as my mum was born there (and my grandparents were born and lived there but are dead now). I have all the paperwork I’d need I think.
But, I kind of feel there’s not a lot of point me getting one unless my wife can. And I think she can but her situation is less straight forward!
Her mum is one of the Irish babies who were shipped out of Ireland and adopted in the U.K. Her mum’s parents are both Irish (although she was born in England in a ‘home’) and she has details of both her parents but she’s never spoken to her dad (my wife’s granddad) and was in touch with her mum but they didn’t seem keen so contact has fizzled out. As such there isn’t really any way to get copies of their documents like birth certificates etc. She has various documents from when she was adopted in her original name listing her parents names and addresses but that’s about it.
We’ve done some googling and can find various things about if you’re adopted the other way (to Irish parents) but nothing like this. I’m guessing it isn’t uncommon and there’s likely help to be had but we’re not sure where to start. Maybe a call to the embassy?
My wife’s always had this slightly strange feeling/obsession with Ireland since way before she knew her mum’s history so there isn’t a particularly logical or practical reason for her wanting an Irish passport other than I think she feels she’d like some part of that bit of the story!
You will need to apply for one of the grandparent's birth certificate, https://www2.hse.ie/services/births-deaths-and-mar...We have a slightly unusual situation. I’m eligible for an Irish passport as my mum was born there (and my grandparents were born and lived there but are dead now). I have all the paperwork I’d need I think.
But, I kind of feel there’s not a lot of point me getting one unless my wife can. And I think she can but her situation is less straight forward!
Her mum is one of the Irish babies who were shipped out of Ireland and adopted in the U.K. Her mum’s parents are both Irish (although she was born in England in a ‘home’) and she has details of both her parents but she’s never spoken to her dad (my wife’s granddad) and was in touch with her mum but they didn’t seem keen so contact has fizzled out. As such there isn’t really any way to get copies of their documents like birth certificates etc. She has various documents from when she was adopted in her original name listing her parents names and addresses but that’s about it.
We’ve done some googling and can find various things about if you’re adopted the other way (to Irish parents) but nothing like this. I’m guessing it isn’t uncommon and there’s likely help to be had but we’re not sure where to start. Maybe a call to the embassy?
My wife’s always had this slightly strange feeling/obsession with Ireland since way before she knew her mum’s history so there isn’t a particularly logical or practical reason for her wanting an Irish passport other than I think she feels she’d like some part of that bit of the story!
It is very straightforward and anyone can do that.
Then if the adoption certificate has her Mum's parent's details you can prove the lineage.
You'll then need Marriage certificate for Parents to show change of name (assuming her Mum married and took husband's name) and your wife's birth showing Mother, and Marriage certificate showing change of name.
Edited to say - This will get her a certificate of foreign birth. Once she has that she can apply for a passport. process will take about 2 years.
worsy said:
This will get her a certificate of foreign birth. Once she has that she can apply for a passport. process will take about 2 years.
It's ~1 year from receipt of FBR (Foreign Births Registration - ~10 months) and first time Passport application (~2 months).Assuming everything is in order and does not require additional or corrected docs, and that passport is applied for immediately upon receipt of FBR certificate.
Took my brother 2 years and I had to wait until he got all the various certificates back before I could start mine, which also took 2 years.
So 4 years for me
But him and his wife did all the work tracking down the certificates.
Maybe Dublin has speeded up the process now as my delays were thanks to Covid then the English postal strike when Dublin wouldn't send stuff to me for fear of it getting lost.
So 4 years for me
But him and his wife did all the work tracking down the certificates.
Maybe Dublin has speeded up the process now as my delays were thanks to Covid then the English postal strike when Dublin wouldn't send stuff to me for fear of it getting lost.
croyde said:
Took my brother 2 years and I had to wait until he got all the various certificates back before I could start mine, which also took 2 years.
They are perfectly happy for people to send grouped applications for multiple family members with the same set of core documents for parents / grandparents.SpidersWeb said:
croyde said:
Took my brother 2 years and I had to wait until he got all the various certificates back before I could start mine, which also took 2 years.
They are perfectly happy for people to send grouped applications for multiple family members with the same set of core documents for parents / grandparents.RC1807 said:
bad company said:
Interesting thread. I had an Irish Grandmother which I think would enable me to get an Irish passport.
Sounds worthwhile.
Yes, it does.Sounds worthwhile.
Just need the certificates to prove it…..
https://iasservices.org.uk/
bad company said:
RC1807 said:
bad company said:
Interesting thread. I had an Irish Grandmother which I think would enable me to get an Irish passport.
Sounds worthwhile.
Yes, it does.Sounds worthwhile.
Just need the certificates to prove it…..
https://iasservices.org.uk/
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