Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
Discussion
simon_harris said:
Had the roles been reversed and Max losing the WDC as a result of the decision I can't imagine he would have remained as calm.
We saw his behaviour on the podium the race before, and that of his father.A fundamental difference in class between the Hamilton and Verstappen families.
Siao said:
ntiz said:
Siao said:
paulguitar said:
Siao said:
A lot less? Lewis lost the title, Michael was put in physical danger by DC stupidly lifting on the racing line. A lot less!!!!!
Schumacher felt that he was put in danger and the adrenaline was flowing, so may be given some leeway for his temper, I think.But comparing that episode with Hamilton having a title stolen is ludicrous.
It was an off hand example of a driver losing it in the pitlane over something that happened on track.
Just thought it was a potentially interesting discussion around a difficult situation for Hamilton and how how others would have potentially handled it.
Edited by ntiz on Thursday 4th April 12:50
You see, it doesn't work like that; Senna crashed people out and then stopped to check Comas's crash, that monster.
But anyway, let's move on. It is true, different people would behave differently and I do agree that others would have gone to talk to the RC instead of taking it in the chin. I am surprised Lewis didn't if I'm honest, in fact I would have loved it if he did, people should be confronted and be held responsible when abusing their authority. Most non-RB fans would have given him their blessing I suspect.
In time, if LH doesn’t win another WDC and is mired on 7 or usurped by Max even, he’ll look back and wonder if he was a bit timid in that situation.
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
- Warning, contentious statement incoming*
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
maz8062 said:
In time, if LH doesn’t win another WDC and is mired on 7 or usurped by Max even, he’ll look back and wonder if he was a bit timid in that situation.
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
Interesting thoughts.- Warning, contentious statement incoming*
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
I think, in the long term, he'd done the right thing. Everyone knows what happened was an outrage, even die-hard Verstappen fans (although some perform energetic cartwheels to deny it). Hamilton emerged through the debacle with his integrity and dignity strengthened.
maz8062 said:
In time, if LH doesn’t win another WDC and is mired on 7 or usurped by Max even, he’ll look back and wonder if he was a bit timid in that situation.
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
Or, and this might be a stretch, Hamilton knew quite a bit more about what was going on in the background with Liberty and their rampant desire for a new WDC so already understood which way the proverbial wind was blowing. Only to have that underlined in such dramatic fashion at the end of the race to confirm that and that was at the forefront of his mind when he acted as he did at the conclusion of the race and the days/weeks following.- Warning, contentious statement incoming*
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
Anyone watching that season could plainly see the story Liberty were trying to create, we can only speculate as to the conversations that must have been going on in the teams and the potential scenarios that were discussed.
DeejRC said:
Or he knew that there was a legal clusterf
k of a bunfight coming and decided to keep shtum and Toto got on the blower and told him to keep Shtum and let him blow his top. That’s the Boss job, not the employee.
That's something I think he forgets. He is only a paid employee the same as most of the other drivers on the grid.k of a bunfight coming and decided to keep shtum and Toto got on the blower and told him to keep Shtum and let him blow his top. That’s the Boss job, not the employee. andym1603 said:
DeejRC said:
Or he knew that there was a legal clusterfk of a bunfight coming and decided to keep shtum and Toto got on the blower and told him to keep Shtum and let him blow his top. That’s the Boss job, not the employee.
That's something I think he forgets. He is only a paid employee the same as most of the other drivers on the grid.k of a bunfight coming and decided to keep shtum and Toto got on the blower and told him to keep Shtum and let him blow his top. That’s the Boss job, not the employee. simon_harris said:
maz8062 said:
In time, if LH doesn’t win another WDC and is mired on 7 or usurped by Max even, he’ll look back and wonder if he was a bit timid in that situation.
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
Or, and this might be a stretch, Hamilton knew quite a bit more about what was going on in the background with Liberty and their rampant desire for a new WDC so already understood which way the proverbial wind was blowing. Only to have that underlined in such dramatic fashion at the end of the race to confirm that and that was at the forefront of his mind when he acted as he did at the conclusion of the race and the days/weeks following.- Warning, contentious statement incoming*
In the end, BLM, taking the knee, calling out oppression in the Middle East, LGBT rights etc may have given LH a semblance of having power, but the oppressor can give power and take it away. AD21 they took it away.
One could argue that he had no choice anyway. That was going to be it and regardless of how much he remonstrated, kicked off, threatened to sue or whatever, the oppressor had already decided. So he effectively took that away from them.
Some will agree others will not.
Anyone watching that season could plainly see the story Liberty were trying to create, we can only speculate as to the conversations that must have been going on in the teams and the potential scenarios that were discussed.
LH didn’t kick off. He called it on the radio as manipulation but didn’t expand on it.
AD21 from a sporting perspective, was the biggest day of his life - 2007 was bad too, but this sport has dealt him mega blows. The poem “ Still I rise” for those that understand its meaning, is his guiding principle in life - I just hope he doesn’t look back and regret his timidity on that day when he’s sitting back and telling his story.
maz8062 said:
Look, not one driver over the last 40 years that I’ve been watching F1 would have just accepted AD21 without a mega melt down. AD21 was huge for LH and the sport - LH would have been crowned the undisputed GOAT of this here sport and would hold the mantle for winning the most number of WDC’s. It would have been huge for LH, F1, Mercedes and sport the world over. Again, it was huge. That Liberty decided to take it away and give it to Max and create all of this negative energy is a decision that wouldn’t have been taken just because they wanted a new WDC - the stakes and upside were too high, unless there was an ulterior motive.
LH didn’t kick off. He called it on the radio as manipulation but didn’t expand on it.
AD21 from a sporting perspective, was the biggest day of his life - 2007 was bad too, but this sport has dealt him mega blows. The poem “ Still I rise” for those that understand its meaning, is his guiding principle in life - I just hope he doesn’t look back and regret his timidity on that day when he’s sitting back and telling his story.
Great points. Well stated.LH didn’t kick off. He called it on the radio as manipulation but didn’t expand on it.
AD21 from a sporting perspective, was the biggest day of his life - 2007 was bad too, but this sport has dealt him mega blows. The poem “ Still I rise” for those that understand its meaning, is his guiding principle in life - I just hope he doesn’t look back and regret his timidity on that day when he’s sitting back and telling his story.
I think he will have no regret, re "his timidity" as, with the backdrop of the fiasco that was F1 - and the absolute mess that would have ensued, if there was legal action - it was his integrity and sportsmanship in congratulating Max (who did what Lewis would have done), and quiet maturity and unflappability, in the face of seemingly obvious manipulation to rip his life's work seconds from achievement, that will be remembered. Quite extraordinary.
nickfrog said:
I think it was a huge cock up by Massi rather than something premeditated/planned.
Really?amongst other things, they had Max overtaking under the SC, but they chose to go with the "any/all" BS, after a two hour look at the rules.
Masi had defended the "ALL" a year previously to the media. I believe I may have a meme with a quote on it somewhere where he is quite categorical in defending his actions to the letter of the rules.
PhilAsia said:
Really?
amongst other things, they had Max overtaking under the SC, but they chose to go with the "any/all" BS, after a two hour look at the rules.
Masi had defended the "ALL" a year previously to the media. I believe I may have a meme with a quote on it somewhere where he is quite categorical in defending his actions to the letter of the rules.
It wasn't Liberty, it was the FIA that failed to apply their rules correctly, multiple times throughout the year. Masi was a gibbering wreck by season end, he was physically spasming in his seat in the last event as he lost the plot. The fact the FIA didn't take the simple out they had, to rectify the disaster of the last laps, showed the agenda was clear.amongst other things, they had Max overtaking under the SC, but they chose to go with the "any/all" BS, after a two hour look at the rules.
Masi had defended the "ALL" a year previously to the media. I believe I may have a meme with a quote on it somewhere where he is quite categorical in defending his actions to the letter of the rules.
540TORQUES said:
PhilAsia said:
Really?
amongst other things, they had Max overtaking under the SC, but they chose to go with the "any/all" BS, after a two hour look at the rules.
Masi had defended the "ALL" a year previously to the media. I believe I may have a meme with a quote on it somewhere where he is quite categorical in defending his actions to the letter of the rules.
It wasn't Liberty, it was the FIA that failed to apply their rules correctly, multiple times throughout the year. Masi was a gibbering wreck by season end, he was physically spasming in his seat in the last event as he lost the plot. The fact the FIA didn't take the simple out they had, to rectify the disaster of the last laps, showed the agenda was clear.amongst other things, they had Max overtaking under the SC, but they chose to go with the "any/all" BS, after a two hour look at the rules.
Masi had defended the "ALL" a year previously to the media. I believe I may have a meme with a quote on it somewhere where he is quite categorical in defending his actions to the letter of the rules.
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