Christian Horner
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hot metal said:
aka bell end ,Whinger Spice, nob, jolly good chap or what ever, has been quoted as saying F1 fans have short memories and will soon forget the events that took place at Abu Dhabi, I do not know if someone has requoted this recently in the media or that he has reiterated his statement with the usual casual wave of his hand.
Now I don`t know about you, be you a Max fan ,Lewis fan, don`t care fan or a casual observer, CH must be smoking some funny stuff if he thinks anyone will forget anytime soon unless they have been lobotomized .
He will not forget
The media will not forget
His team will not forget
Or any driver on the grid
Any F1 fan will not forget
Max will certainly not forget............I COULD GO ON
I will not forget, I will also not forget that he spouted such a steaming pile of crap, he obviously believes we are all morons (hopes most likely)
Oh do grow up . It was a great season ,with two very worthy contenders for the championship , only one of whom could win ,we had a welcome new face as winner and nobody died. Bit of a panto at the end but no sleep was lost . Onwards and upwards . I've even treated myself to Silverstone tickets for a change - and in the unlikely event I encounter Mr Horner I will bid him a cheery good morning ... Now I don`t know about you, be you a Max fan ,Lewis fan, don`t care fan or a casual observer, CH must be smoking some funny stuff if he thinks anyone will forget anytime soon unless they have been lobotomized .
He will not forget
The media will not forget
His team will not forget
Or any driver on the grid
Any F1 fan will not forget
Max will certainly not forget............I COULD GO ON
I will not forget, I will also not forget that he spouted such a steaming pile of crap, he obviously believes we are all morons (hopes most likely)
I saw my first GP there in 1971 and , then as now , I really don't care very much who wins , I just want a good race. Works for me - try it , if only for the sake of your blood pressure .
AlfaNZ said:
Haha you sound like a Trump supporter!
Get over it… I’ve been watching F1 since the 80s and this was the best season in a long, long time. Had me on the edge of my seat. I’m a Lewis fan and disappointed he didn’t get the title, but Mercedes strategy was simply not as good as Red Bulls. Masi’s call worked in RB’s favour. All the Max fans would be screaming if he let the race finish under red flag. You can’t please everyone.
I feel sorry for you carrying all of this bitterness around.
Who`s bitter ?? I think CH is a fool if he thinks anyone will forget the biggest balls up in F1 history, I happen to think this was as bad for Max as it was for Lewis. Get over it… I’ve been watching F1 since the 80s and this was the best season in a long, long time. Had me on the edge of my seat. I’m a Lewis fan and disappointed he didn’t get the title, but Mercedes strategy was simply not as good as Red Bulls. Masi’s call worked in RB’s favour. All the Max fans would be screaming if he let the race finish under red flag. You can’t please everyone.
I feel sorry for you carrying all of this bitterness around.
I`ve been watching since the 70`s , my blood pressure is spot on perfect.
This is not about Max or Lewis, it`s about the the sport being made to look foolish that bothers me, there have been plenty of WWE references over the last few weeks, that is just disappointing, can`t quite figure out why the Max fans think its so great, it isn`t .
Edited by hot metal on Friday 7th January 20:29
Edited by hot metal on Friday 7th January 21:53
What was the ultimate effect of the 2005 USGP? At the time I remember a big song and dance about how F1 was trying to make inroads into the US market. Our European chauvinism took quite a beating when we found that our so superior F1 cars couldn't navigate the track without their tyres blowing up.
Ironically the level of farce wouldn't be equalled until this year at Spa where points were awarded for driving around behind a safety car and noone got any refunds... and then that high watermark would be blown away with the Abu Dhabi debacle.
A lot of song and dance is made of how cutting edge F1 has always been. Like football there appears to be a disconnect between the advances made by the teams in ensuring efficiency and management and how the sport is actually run.
Ironically the level of farce wouldn't be equalled until this year at Spa where points were awarded for driving around behind a safety car and noone got any refunds... and then that high watermark would be blown away with the Abu Dhabi debacle.
A lot of song and dance is made of how cutting edge F1 has always been. Like football there appears to be a disconnect between the advances made by the teams in ensuring efficiency and management and how the sport is actually run.
glazbagun said:
What was the ultimate effect of the 2005 USGP? At the time I remember a big song and dance about how F1 was trying to make inroads into the US market. Our European chauvinism took quite a beating when we found that our so superior F1 cars couldn't navigate the track without their tyres blowing up.
Ironically the level of farce wouldn't be equalled until this year at Spa where points were awarded for driving around behind a safety car and noone got any refunds... and then that high watermark would be blown away with the Abu Dhabi debacle.
A lot of song and dance is made of how cutting edge F1 has always been. Like football there appears to be a disconnect between the advances made by the teams in ensuring efficiency and management and how the sport is actually run.
They said lessons would be learned from 2005 USGP, it seems not. Ironically the level of farce wouldn't be equalled until this year at Spa where points were awarded for driving around behind a safety car and noone got any refunds... and then that high watermark would be blown away with the Abu Dhabi debacle.
A lot of song and dance is made of how cutting edge F1 has always been. Like football there appears to be a disconnect between the advances made by the teams in ensuring efficiency and management and how the sport is actually run.
the teams are all competent players, but they need the FIA to stop any cheating, we need someone else to wipe the FIA`s backside and change their bib from time to time sadly.I had hoped that might be ben Sulayem, the new esteemed FIA President, if he has strung together a single intelligible sentence since taking over I am not aware of it.
Feel free to correct me there.
Spa this year was disgusting ,didn`t really sink in much at the time, I was just disappointed because its my favourite race, worse for fans who travelled clearly.
Edited by hot metal on Friday 7th January 22:03
Edited by hot metal on Friday 7th January 22:14
coppice said:
hot metal said:
aka bell end ,Whinger Spice, nob, jolly good chap or what ever, has been quoted as saying F1 fans have short memories and will soon forget the events that took place at Abu Dhabi, I do not know if someone has requoted this recently in the media or that he has reiterated his statement with the usual casual wave of his hand.
Now I don`t know about you, be you a Max fan ,Lewis fan, don`t care fan or a casual observer, CH must be smoking some funny stuff if he thinks anyone will forget anytime soon unless they have been lobotomized .
He will not forget
The media will not forget
His team will not forget
Or any driver on the grid
Any F1 fan will not forget
Max will certainly not forget............I COULD GO ON
I will not forget, I will also not forget that he spouted such a steaming pile of crap, he obviously believes we are all morons (hopes most likely)
Oh do grow up . It was a great season ,with two very worthy contenders for the championship , only one of whom could win ,we had a welcome new face as winner and nobody died. Bit of a panto at the end but no sleep was lost . Onwards and upwards . I've even treated myself to Silverstone tickets for a change - and in the unlikely event I encounter Mr Horner I will bid him a cheery good morning ... Now I don`t know about you, be you a Max fan ,Lewis fan, don`t care fan or a casual observer, CH must be smoking some funny stuff if he thinks anyone will forget anytime soon unless they have been lobotomized .
He will not forget
The media will not forget
His team will not forget
Or any driver on the grid
Any F1 fan will not forget
Max will certainly not forget............I COULD GO ON
I will not forget, I will also not forget that he spouted such a steaming pile of crap, he obviously believes we are all morons (hopes most likely)
I saw my first GP there in 1971 and , then as now , I really don't care very much who wins , I just want a good race. Works for me - try it , if only for the sake of your blood pressure .
glazbagun said:
PH User said:
Why does everyone take it back to football?!
Most obvious analogy for a sport where teams put millions into extracting the maximum performance from themselves but are let down by poor governance.I suppose you could pick Boxing, but even Sepp Blatter isn't that corrupt.
I haven't posted on any thread since the final race last year yet, but in my opinion Horner is the villain of the whole piece.
Ultimately it was his call to Masi which led to the decision that was taken over the restart. Wolff had very good grounds to then complain himself given the diabolical s
t show that was unfolding in front of him.
Back to the original point, no way will it be forgotten! it was one of sports biggest ever scandals and certainly the biggest i can think of in F1.
he can project as much as he wants to, but i am in agreement with those that say clearly both He and Verstappen would rather have lost to Hamilton than won in this way. It was obvious even before the podium that their body language was not as you might expect.
(yes...cancelled my F1 subs)
Ultimately it was his call to Masi which led to the decision that was taken over the restart. Wolff had very good grounds to then complain himself given the diabolical s
t show that was unfolding in front of him.Back to the original point, no way will it be forgotten! it was one of sports biggest ever scandals and certainly the biggest i can think of in F1.
he can project as much as he wants to, but i am in agreement with those that say clearly both He and Verstappen would rather have lost to Hamilton than won in this way. It was obvious even before the podium that their body language was not as you might expect.
(yes...cancelled my F1 subs)
Common Porpoise said:
I haven't posted on any thread since the final race last year yet, but in my opinion Horner is the villain of the whole piece.
Ultimately it was his call to Masi which led to the decision that was taken over the restart. Wolff had very good grounds to then complain himself given the diabolical st show that was unfolding in front of him.
Back to the original point, no way will it be forgotten! it was one of sports biggest ever scandals and certainly the biggest i can think of in F1.
he can project as much as he wants to, but i am in agreement with those that say clearly both He and Verstappen would rather have lost to Hamilton than won in this way. It was obvious even before the podium that their body language was not as you might expect.
(yes...cancelled my F1 subs)
To be fair, Horner's job is to win, and if he's been given a Race Director who just does what you ask him, then Horner wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't stick his oar in.Ultimately it was his call to Masi which led to the decision that was taken over the restart. Wolff had very good grounds to then complain himself given the diabolical s
t show that was unfolding in front of him.Back to the original point, no way will it be forgotten! it was one of sports biggest ever scandals and certainly the biggest i can think of in F1.
he can project as much as he wants to, but i am in agreement with those that say clearly both He and Verstappen would rather have lost to Hamilton than won in this way. It was obvious even before the podium that their body language was not as you might expect.
(yes...cancelled my F1 subs)
Masi is 100% to blame, IMO.
"Sorry, that's not in accordance with the rules. Happy to discuss after the race." is all Masi needed to say, and then he's completely off the Blame Path.
As it stands, he's the only person on the Blame Path. It's more a Blame Spot.
Camaro said:
Hehehe
But seriously, great advertising for Bose, those headset can take a beating!
https://sportitnow.com/f1-news-mercedes-bose-partnership-in-danger-of-ending-due-to-wolff/But seriously, great advertising for Bose, those headset can take a beating!
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-toto-wolff-s-h...
SpeckledJim said:
Common Porpoise said:
I haven't posted on any thread since the final race last year yet, but in my opinion Horner is the villain of the whole piece.
Ultimately it was his call to Masi which led to the decision that was taken over the restart. Wolff had very good grounds to then complain himself given the diabolical st show that was unfolding in front of him.
Back to the original point, no way will it be forgotten! it was one of sports biggest ever scandals and certainly the biggest i can think of in F1.
he can project as much as he wants to, but i am in agreement with those that say clearly both He and Verstappen would rather have lost to Hamilton than won in this way. It was obvious even before the podium that their body language was not as you might expect.
(yes...cancelled my F1 subs)
To be fair, Horner's job is to win, and if he's been given a Race Director who just does what you ask him, then Horner wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't stick his oar in.Ultimately it was his call to Masi which led to the decision that was taken over the restart. Wolff had very good grounds to then complain himself given the diabolical s
t show that was unfolding in front of him.Back to the original point, no way will it be forgotten! it was one of sports biggest ever scandals and certainly the biggest i can think of in F1.
he can project as much as he wants to, but i am in agreement with those that say clearly both He and Verstappen would rather have lost to Hamilton than won in this way. It was obvious even before the podium that their body language was not as you might expect.
(yes...cancelled my F1 subs)
Masi is 100% to blame, IMO.
"Sorry, that's not in accordance with the rules. Happy to discuss after the race." is all Masi needed to say, and then he's completely off the Blame Path.
As it stands, he's the only person on the Blame Path. It's more a Blame Spot.
It's wrong to single out Masi for blame for the recent pantomime . He was the fall guy but the real issue is the malaise in the FIA which -
- has cravenly caved into pressure to improve the show
- mistakenly allows teams far too much power and influence
- has become obsessed with a set of rules of ever greater complexity and unworkability
What is needed is strong , decisive and clear leadership from the FIA , with none of the weak nonsensewe have seen . For example , in allowing dialogue with teams mid race, and being pressured into making poor decisions . Poor Masi is the symptom of the problem , not its cause
- has cravenly caved into pressure to improve the show
- mistakenly allows teams far too much power and influence
- has become obsessed with a set of rules of ever greater complexity and unworkability
What is needed is strong , decisive and clear leadership from the FIA , with none of the weak nonsensewe have seen . For example , in allowing dialogue with teams mid race, and being pressured into making poor decisions . Poor Masi is the symptom of the problem , not its cause
Edited by coppice on Wednesday 12th January 07:08
coppice said:
It's wrong to single out Masi for blame for the recent pantomime . He was the fall guy but the real issue is the malaise in the FIA which -
- has cravenly caved into pressure to improve the show
- mistakenly allows teams far too much power and influence
- has become obsessed with a set of rules of ever greater complexity and unworkability
What is needed is strong , decisive and clear leadership from the FIA , with none of the weak nonsensewe have seen . For example , in allowing dialogue with teams mid race, and being pressured into making poor decisions . Poor Masi is the symbol of the problem , not its cause
They are all issues, but the Masi was at fault for what he did and I can see why he is being singled out. - has cravenly caved into pressure to improve the show
- mistakenly allows teams far too much power and influence
- has become obsessed with a set of rules of ever greater complexity and unworkability
What is needed is strong , decisive and clear leadership from the FIA , with none of the weak nonsensewe have seen . For example , in allowing dialogue with teams mid race, and being pressured into making poor decisions . Poor Masi is the symbol of the problem , not its cause
The disappointing irony is that in a sport that has arguably been over regulated to occasionally the point of tedium it became a st show farce right at the end! Some of my Moto GP fan friends watched it (they're not F1 fans generally, but the last race was definitely a draw) and concluded F1 was a joke. WRT to the FIA, let's not even start on WRC.....
t show farce right at the end! Some of my Moto GP fan friends watched it (they're not F1 fans generally, but the last race was definitely a draw) and concluded F1 was a joke. WRT to the FIA, let's not even start on WRC.....CacheMonet said:
https://sportitnow.com/f1-news-mercedes-bose-partn...
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-toto-wolff-s-h...
I read that article and had to laugh at the "journalist"'s take on it:https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-toto-wolff-s-h...
"This is especially true considering the publicity they got after the incident, making a cool profit of around $25,000 in sales and through social media."
$25 000 is a mere drop in the ocean for Bose.
Stever750 said:
The disappointing irony is that in a sport that has arguably been over regulated to occasionally the point of tedium it became a st show farce right at the end! Some of my Moto GP fan friends watched it (they're not F1 fans generally, but the last race was definitely a draw) and concluded F1 was a joke. WRT to the FIA, let's not even start on WRC.....
What screw-ups have they managed in WRC? The format change? I was thinking of checking it out this year as I haven't really followed since the Subaru/Evo days.t show farce right at the end! Some of my Moto GP fan friends watched it (they're not F1 fans generally, but the last race was definitely a draw) and concluded F1 was a joke. WRT to the FIA, let's not even start on WRC.....Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff