Christian Horner
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Forester1965 said:
The biggest contribution from Ford will be a stack of money behind an oval badge to pay for RBP to develop its own IP.
Exactly… and the privilege of have their name included on the engine. If it’s a front running package they get the associated glory. If it’s not…..Sandpit Steve said:
Durzel said:
No offence but I've re-read what you wrote and it seems pretty clear that you've decided that Newey leaving is entirely due to Horner?
It certainly seems that it is a factor, as multiple places (including that linked Peter Windsor video above - interesting).
In terms of being "a man of integrity" it would seem that if he is leaving because of Horner then it's more to do with feeling he has been duplicitous towards him. It doesn't seem like he's leaving as some kind of stand because of what has happened to/with the PA, as such. if he had a problem with the result of the internal inquiry, the result, or how the PA has been treated - why has he only left now?
Either way - there certainly seems to be a number of places reporting that the reason for leaving is linked to Horner.
Maybe we'll find out for sure at some point, or maybe not.
Anyway, have a good day
EDIT: An interesting story here which is more circumspect about the whole affair - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/red-bulls-f1-riv...
Windsor’s video certainly suggests that Newey thinks Horny crossed a line in terms of his conduct, to the point where the team boss is no longer trusted by the veteran designer. It certainly seems that it is a factor, as multiple places (including that linked Peter Windsor video above - interesting).
In terms of being "a man of integrity" it would seem that if he is leaving because of Horner then it's more to do with feeling he has been duplicitous towards him. It doesn't seem like he's leaving as some kind of stand because of what has happened to/with the PA, as such. if he had a problem with the result of the internal inquiry, the result, or how the PA has been treated - why has he only left now?
Either way - there certainly seems to be a number of places reporting that the reason for leaving is linked to Horner.
Maybe we'll find out for sure at some point, or maybe not.
Anyway, have a good day
EDIT: An interesting story here which is more circumspect about the whole affair - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/red-bulls-f1-riv...
RB have announced he's contracted until the end of 2025 so can't work for anyone else
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1019048/f1-red-b...
Has he got 'gardening leave' in his contract?
https://www.planetf1.com/news/strange-clause-adria...
Either way, again the Horny story about his behaviour isn't going away as it's linked to these stories again
Byker28i said:
Also its suggested the internal power struggle is unsettling
RB have announced he's contracted until the end of 2025 so can't work for anyone else
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1019048/f1-red-b...
Has he got 'gardening leave' in his contract?
https://www.planetf1.com/news/strange-clause-adria...
Either way, again the Horny story about his behaviour isn't going away as it's linked to these stories again
It’s reported Ferrari have offered Newey £100m over 4 years. If I were Newey, I’d also be looking for an excuse to be allowed to take up such an offer…RB have announced he's contracted until the end of 2025 so can't work for anyone else
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1019048/f1-red-b...
Has he got 'gardening leave' in his contract?
https://www.planetf1.com/news/strange-clause-adria...
Either way, again the Horny story about his behaviour isn't going away as it's linked to these stories again
skwdenyer said:
Byker28i said:
Also its suggested the internal power struggle is unsettling
RB have announced he's contracted until the end of 2025 so can't work for anyone else
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1019048/f1-red-b...
Has he got 'gardening leave' in his contract?
https://www.planetf1.com/news/strange-clause-adria...
Either way, again the Horny story about his behaviour isn't going away as it's linked to these stories again
It’s reported Ferrari have offered Newey £100m over 4 years. If I were Newey, I’d also be looking for an excuse to be allowed to take up such an offer…RB have announced he's contracted until the end of 2025 so can't work for anyone else
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1019048/f1-red-b...
Has he got 'gardening leave' in his contract?
https://www.planetf1.com/news/strange-clause-adria...
Either way, again the Horny story about his behaviour isn't going away as it's linked to these stories again
WestyCarl said:
...I can imagine Liberty will also get involved...
Assuming they intervened, their levers would be to offer and/or threaten something to make it happen. What would be the point of contracts in F1 if the sport's rights holder can effectively act as final arbiter to tilt the table as they see fit?The costs involved to get him out early and what everyone is talking about paying him for someone at the end of there career I’d say isn’t very good value for money on lap time for such a short period. Even if they play the trick of he’s working on road car projects to get his wages out of the f1 budget.
Forester1965 said:
WestyCarl said:
...I can imagine Liberty will also get involved...
Assuming they intervened, their levers would be to offer and/or threaten something to make it happen. What would be the point of contracts in F1 if the sport's rights holder can effectively act as final arbiter to tilt the table as they see fit?MarkwG said:
Forester1965 said:
WestyCarl said:
...I can imagine Liberty will also get involved...
Assuming they intervened, their levers would be to offer and/or threaten something to make it happen. What would be the point of contracts in F1 if the sport's rights holder can effectively act as final arbiter to tilt the table as they see fit?If the guy wants to leave, then the guy wants to leave.
Oh, and about that disrepute charge, Mr Horner…
sweetmate said:
The costs involved to get him out early and what everyone is talking about paying him for someone at the end of there career I’d say isn’t very good value for money on lap time for such a short period. Even if they play the trick of he’s working on road car projects to get his wages out of the f1 budget.
His wages won't be in the budget cap, even without sub contractor/ consultancy trickery they can exempt the highest couple (can't remember the number) of employees from it.sweetmate said:
The costs involved to get him out early and what everyone is talking about paying him for someone at the end of there career I’d say isn’t very good value for money on lap time for such a short period. Even if they play the trick of he’s working on road car projects to get his wages out of the f1 budget.
It's interesting to consider that on the entire planet, everyone else is so bad at this particular job that companies would end up fighting over a pensioner and allegedly having to offer silly money. 
There is no doubting his greatness but one has to consider just how few years he has left and that there surely by now must be some other people capable of reading a rule book and designing a vehicle to take advantage of the interpretation of said rules?
DonkeyApple said:
It's interesting to consider that on the entire planet, everyone else is so bad at this particular job that companies would end up fighting over a pensioner and allegedly having to offer silly money.
There is no doubting his greatness but one has to consider just how few years he has left and that there surely by now must be some other people capable of reading a rule book and designing a vehicle to take advantage of the interpretation of said rules?
It would appear so though… some of his old team mates are at McLaren and Aston, they’ve made some progress and shown some promise at times but… maybe they’re missing the new secret sauce? They’re also working with new wind tunnels so prehaps some more learn to be done there? There is no doubting his greatness but one has to consider just how few years he has left and that there surely by now must be some other people capable of reading a rule book and designing a vehicle to take advantage of the interpretation of said rules?
DonkeyApple said:
sweetmate said:
The costs involved to get him out early and what everyone is talking about paying him for someone at the end of there career I’d say isn’t very good value for money on lap time for such a short period. Even if they play the trick of he’s working on road car projects to get his wages out of the f1 budget.
It's interesting to consider that on the entire planet, everyone else is so bad at this particular job that companies would end up fighting over a pensioner and allegedly having to offer silly money. There is no doubting his greatness but one has to consider just how few years he has left and that there surely by now must be some other people capable of reading a rule book and designing a vehicle to take advantage of the interpretation of said rules?
Aero engineers for F1 teams now come straight from Uni into a massive organisation, and are probably given small pieces to design at the start, building up to working "front end" or "back end" aero and maybe have a limited understanding of the whole aero overview of the car, and a very limited ability to influence the overall design of the car.
Its people like Newey who bring it all together, set the targets based on what they know to be achievable and have the overall responsiblity for the design.
sweetmate said:
He’s a brilliant designer but he’s not the be all and end all most of Mclarens, all of Ferrari/shumacher era and Mercedes dominance were done without him.
To be fair I'd say a lot of that was due to the Mercedes grenades in the back of them, rather than any aero deficiencies SpudLink said:
TheDeuce said:
Newey has tendered his resignation. And now we see the house of cards collapse around Horner...
Officially?No official press statement yet, but he's said it's imminent.
There's no way this is a fake story.
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