Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?
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Unsurprisingly there’s a huge amount of insight into Newey’s likely approach to the current situation in his autobiography ‘How to Build a Car’.
His views on trust, personal responsibilities (including infidelity) as well as a bit about how a genius approaches making racing cars go faster are all in there.
If you haven’t read it then it’s highly, highly recommended.
His views on trust, personal responsibilities (including infidelity) as well as a bit about how a genius approaches making racing cars go faster are all in there.
If you haven’t read it then it’s highly, highly recommended.
kambites said:
vaud said:
No need for an ultimatum, or for it ever to be Newey vs Horner.
He might have just said "sorry this is all a bit too sleazy for me, and to be honest the culture is not for me any more"
Which amounts to much the same thing, because it gives Redbull the choice between losing Newey or changing the culture at the team. Does anyone seriously believe that "fixing" the culture at Redbull is possible with Horner in place? He might have just said "sorry this is all a bit too sleazy for me, and to be honest the culture is not for me any more"
NGK210 said:
“A force majeure clause states that if an extreme, unforeseeable event occurs that prevents or delays a party from performing their contractual obligations, that party will not be in breach of contract as a result of the delay/non-performance.”
Could be a very handy term.. Ironically...........Jasandjules said:
NGK210 said:
“A force majeure clause states that if an extreme, unforeseeable event occurs that prevents or delays a party from performing their contractual obligations, that party will not be in breach of contract as a result of the delay/non-performance.”
Could be a very handy term.. Ironically...........Muzzer79 said:
Depends who he is working for at Ferrari and what the structure is.
I'm not convinced that Vasseur is the long term man there, but Elkann certainly seems to have control so if Newey is tied to him, he should be safe.
I'm still not convinced he'll want to go to Italy, or that Ferrari will let him set up in the UK as an alternative - the latter was a nightmare in the John Barnard days.
My money is on retirement and/or another series/discipline.
I'm sure Ferrari, and all the other teams for that matter, would happily pay him just to not work for Red Bull anymore, even if he wasn't actually doing anything at all. Even just to have him sitting on gardening leave for a couple of years would be something of a win for them.I'm not convinced that Vasseur is the long term man there, but Elkann certainly seems to have control so if Newey is tied to him, he should be safe.
I'm still not convinced he'll want to go to Italy, or that Ferrari will let him set up in the UK as an alternative - the latter was a nightmare in the John Barnard days.
My money is on retirement and/or another series/discipline.
Of course when AN joined RB he was already one of the most successful car designers, he was in the driving seat and there is a lot of speculation about clauses that might not exist simply because AN May have said no to joining RB if they did. His view may have been “keep me interested….”
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IJWS15 said:
Of course when AN joined RB he was already one of the most successful car designers, he was in the driving seat and there is a lot of speculation about clauses that might not exist simply because AN May have said no to joining RB if they did. His view may have been “keep me interested….”
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Exactly. And in that near 20 year period his stock and value has grown each time the contract has been renewed. I'd be amazed if he was tied down beyond the current season at this point.
Forester1965 said:
You don't seriously think Red Bull's lawyers allowed a scenario where Newey can fold his Ltd company and say "Natch! Can't hold me personally to anything!", do you?
How could they stop it?If the directors of AN Ltd wind the company up, RBR can’t stop this. Any agreements, contracts, debts, liabilities, penalties etc end with this company.
F1insider (I know I know) now reporting
f1insider said:
⚠️ According to f1-insider.com, there are growing concerns that Red Bull may lose Max Verstappen due to Adrian Newey’s decision to leave the team.
Following the Miami Grand Prix, Mercedes F1 team shareholders—Toto Wolff, CEO Ola Källenius, and Sir James Ratcliffe (CEO of Ineos)—are reportedly scheduled to meet with the Verstappen Clan, which includes Max Verstappen, his father Jos Verstappen, and manager Raymond Vermeulen.
The German team is reportedly prepared to offer Verstappen a well-paid, long-term brand ambassador contract.
It remains to be seen whether the three-time world champion will choose to continue his successful journey with Red Bull or embark on a new chapter with Mercedes.
Following the Miami Grand Prix, Mercedes F1 team shareholders—Toto Wolff, CEO Ola Källenius, and Sir James Ratcliffe (CEO of Ineos)—are reportedly scheduled to meet with the Verstappen Clan, which includes Max Verstappen, his father Jos Verstappen, and manager Raymond Vermeulen.
The German team is reportedly prepared to offer Verstappen a well-paid, long-term brand ambassador contract.
It remains to be seen whether the three-time world champion will choose to continue his successful journey with Red Bull or embark on a new chapter with Mercedes.
riskyj said:
F1insider (I know I know) now reporting
Meanwhile Sainz is saying his bedtime prayers that this is all true...f1insider said:
?? According to f1-insider.com, there are growing concerns that Red Bull may lose Max Verstappen due to Adrian Newey’s decision to leave the team.
Following the Miami Grand Prix, Mercedes F1 team shareholders—Toto Wolff, CEO Ola Källenius, and Sir James Ratcliffe (CEO of Ineos)—are reportedly scheduled to meet with the Verstappen Clan, which includes Max Verstappen, his father Jos Verstappen, and manager Raymond Vermeulen.
The German team is reportedly prepared to offer Verstappen a well-paid, long-term brand ambassador contract.
It remains to be seen whether the three-time world champion will choose to continue his successful journey with Red Bull or embark on a new chapter with Mercedes.
Following the Miami Grand Prix, Mercedes F1 team shareholders—Toto Wolff, CEO Ola Källenius, and Sir James Ratcliffe (CEO of Ineos)—are reportedly scheduled to meet with the Verstappen Clan, which includes Max Verstappen, his father Jos Verstappen, and manager Raymond Vermeulen.
The German team is reportedly prepared to offer Verstappen a well-paid, long-term brand ambassador contract.
It remains to be seen whether the three-time world champion will choose to continue his successful journey with Red Bull or embark on a new chapter with Mercedes.
Wombat3 said:
richhead said:
just remember that he isnt the only reason the rb is quick, he is one of hundreds of engineers at rb, he may have influence, , hes just one man, it takes a good team to make a car work
Yep, his team which, as technical director, he built.Just a side thought but all the talk is on the current teams on the grid. Just gone through my mind that he could be off to Andretti.
They seem to be putting a lot behind getting a F1 entry, and given that they (in so many words) need to be able to prove they can build a competitive car, what better way than saying "Well Adrian Newey designed it, so of course we will be competitive!"
Also they have just opened their new facility in Silverstone which, from what little I have read, appears to be a design office.
Maybe the challenge of starting a new team from scratch, (along with possible equity?) would be the challenge AN is looking for? Plus the ability to redesign an Indycar or two during his coffee breaks...
Maybe also gets around any non compete clauses by them not actually being a Formula One team at present?
They seem to be putting a lot behind getting a F1 entry, and given that they (in so many words) need to be able to prove they can build a competitive car, what better way than saying "Well Adrian Newey designed it, so of course we will be competitive!"
Also they have just opened their new facility in Silverstone which, from what little I have read, appears to be a design office.
Maybe the challenge of starting a new team from scratch, (along with possible equity?) would be the challenge AN is looking for? Plus the ability to redesign an Indycar or two during his coffee breaks...
Maybe also gets around any non compete clauses by them not actually being a Formula One team at present?
Muzzer79 said:
vaud said:
kambites said:
Leithen said:
Instead this might simply be Newey's way of getting rid of Horner.
There could be an element of both - basically an ultimatum to the executives from Newey of "you need to choose between Horner and me". He might have just said "sorry this is all a bit too sleazy for me, and to be honest the culture is not for me any more"
He's a racer and loves racing, if there's too much baggage around that he starts to be put off.
I can't imagine this power struggle in Red Bull and him being a pawn/subject to a tug-of-war is in any way appealing to him at all.
Yes, he’s not interested in the political machinations of F1 or a team, he just wants to sit and read the rule book carefully a few times, then come up with a car design or twenty that the ‘computer people’ can test out. He’s the last of the old-school design geniuses. AIUI he works from home most of the time, sitting in his drawing room sketching out ideas.
I ge tthe feeling that he’s realised that he’s the only decent chap in the vipers’ nest that is now Red Bull. It’s always been a team full of snakes, but I think the recent Horny controversy has made that much more clear to him.
thegreenhell said:
I'm sure Ferrari, and all the other teams for that matter, would happily pay him just to not work for Red Bull anymore, even if he wasn't actually doing anything at all. Even just to have him sitting on gardening leave for a couple of years would be something of a win for them.
There’s at least four teams (Ferrari, Mercedes, Audi, Aston) who can afford to pay him basically any amount of money, thanks to the cost cap rules. It would be funny if Ferrari paid him the first year to purely work on their new sailing boat project and their potential Americas Cup entry, and not be working for Red Bull. There’s no possible way that a car designer can be prevented by contract from working on a boat design project.
Sandpit Steve said:
There’s at least four teams (Ferrari, Mercedes, Audi, Aston) who can afford to pay him basically any amount of money, thanks to the cost cap rules.
It would be funny if Ferrari paid him the first year to purely work on their new sailing boat project and their potential Americas Cup entry, and not be working for Red Bull. There’s no possible way that a car designer can be prevented by contract from working on a boat design project.
Or pay him to make the sandwiches.It would be funny if Ferrari paid him the first year to purely work on their new sailing boat project and their potential Americas Cup entry, and not be working for Red Bull. There’s no possible way that a car designer can be prevented by contract from working on a boat design project.
vaud said:
How? The boss doing things with someone else in the business.... how does that prevent AN being an designer and performing their contractual obligations?
Just being silly to get "Handy" into a sentence really.No clauses really matter if this is a contract with a Ltd company, he can just fold the company and start a new one......
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