Official 2024 Australian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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jm doc said:
540TORQUES said:
I hope those saying George was at fault and Fred did nothing wrong don't hold a race licence.
If you do, please post your event details so i can avoid them.
This. If you do, please post your event details so i can avoid them.
As anyone who has ever raced will likely understand, Alonso clearly and deliberately slowed down unexpectedly so as to impede Russell on entry in to the bend so that he could gain an advantage as he exited, with the aim being as it was the last lap, of ensuring that he couldn't be overtaken before the flag.
I seriously doubt that he intended Russell to crash but nonetheless that was the consequence of his deliberate and unexpected act. If Russell had been T-boned and killed or seriously injured, in many countries there would be a criminal investigation into this. Alonso could think himself quite lucky on this occasion.
The FIA these days has a duty of care to drivers and needs to be seen to act whenever something happens that puts drivers at risk, and this was clearly an example.
Snowflake Central.
jm doc said:
George panicking thinking he might get killed stranded in the middle of a high speed corner with the car on it's side shouting for a red flag. Remind me, who's dangerous driving put him there? 
I don't know what point you are trying to make, Alonso created the situation, confirmed by the Stewards, and George clearly thought he might get killed and clearly could have been killed.
The stewards specifically said Alonso was not responsible for the crash. That is not what he was penalised for. George himself did not claim Alonso caused the crash or tried to kill him.I don't know what point you are trying to make, Alonso created the situation, confirmed by the Stewards, and George clearly thought he might get killed and clearly could have been killed.
jm doc said:
entropy said:
jm doc said:
If you listen to George's radio at the time of the accident he was absolutely concerned about being killed. He was on his side in a high speed corner and was shouting desperately red flag! red flag! That wasn't cos he wanted to get back to the pits in a hurry for a drink!
He was more concerned of being a sitting duck and being rammed into. I don't know what point you are trying to make, Alonso created the situation, confirmed by the Stewards, and George clearly thought he might get killed and clearly could have been killed.
entropy said:
That particular corner has been a hotspot in recent years. It was only on Friday FP George's best mate (in F1) Albon had a shunt there at the same section of the circuit. Albon got out of his car when the session was red flagged.
You can see what Alonso was trying to achieve, to make Russell have to check up more than usual, and therefore gain an advantage down the long straight to come; but he chose the wrong corner to do it and messed up the execution, so Russell caught him right in the middle of the corner and had nowhere to go. When you look at the onboards and the telemetry, it’s a slam-sunk penalty, we need to be discouraging that sort of gamesmanship.
Yes I can imagine George, coming to rest at an unusual angle in the middle of the track but facing away from the traffic, was scared witless for a few seconds, until it was clear that everyone had been slowed down behind him. The risk of a secondary impact was high, and I can see the arguments both for the instant red flag and for the VSC.
The Australia track has seemed to generate some pretty big crashes over the years. It does make one wonder whether it may be time to revamp the track or go elsewhere?
Monaco is another track which really isn't fit for purpose either. But in the sanitised F1 world with large runoff areas, Australia doesn't really seem fit.
Monaco is another track which really isn't fit for purpose either. But in the sanitised F1 world with large runoff areas, Australia doesn't really seem fit.
g4ry13 said:
The Australia track has seemed to generate some pretty big crashes over the years. It does make one wonder whether it may be time to revamp the track or go elsewhere?
Monaco is another track which really isn't fit for purpose either. But in the sanitised F1 world with large runoff areas, Australia doesn't really seem fit.
If there’s an unreasonably dangerous street track on the calendar, it’s the one in Jeddah where we were a couple of weeks back. Monaco is another track which really isn't fit for purpose either. But in the sanitised F1 world with large runoff areas, Australia doesn't really seem fit.
Although I’d be lying if I said that the slo-mo camera footage of Alonso’s Melbourne crash in 2016, wasn’t one of my favourite pieces of F1 video. https://youtube.com/watch?v=x45fLUTHCuk
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Tuesday 26th March 18:09
PhilAsia said:
entropy said:
jm doc said:
This.
As anyone who has ever raced will likely understand, Alonso clearly and deliberately slowed down unexpectedly so as to impede Russell on entry in to the bend so that he could gain an advantage as he exited, with the aim being as it was the last lap, of ensuring that he couldn't be overtaken before the flag.
I seriously doubt that he intended Russell to crash but nonetheless that was the consequence of his deliberate and unexpected act. If Russell had been T-boned and killed or seriously injured, in many countries there would be a criminal investigation into this. Alonso could think himself quite lucky on this occasion.
The FIA these days has a duty of care to drivers and needs to be seen to act whenever something happens that puts drivers at risk, and this was clearly an example.
There is no denying the danger aspect of Alonso's tactics but George wasn't making a huge fuss over it, claiming he could've been killed.As anyone who has ever raced will likely understand, Alonso clearly and deliberately slowed down unexpectedly so as to impede Russell on entry in to the bend so that he could gain an advantage as he exited, with the aim being as it was the last lap, of ensuring that he couldn't be overtaken before the flag.
I seriously doubt that he intended Russell to crash but nonetheless that was the consequence of his deliberate and unexpected act. If Russell had been T-boned and killed or seriously injured, in many countries there would be a criminal investigation into this. Alonso could think himself quite lucky on this occasion.
The FIA these days has a duty of care to drivers and needs to be seen to act whenever something happens that puts drivers at risk, and this was clearly an example.
George: "RED FLAG! RED FLAG!! RED FLAG!!".......no "fuss" at all
entropy said:
And are there examples of Alonso's tactics causing shunts?
Coulthard 2003 is memorable...Sandpit Steve said:
If there’s an unreasonably dangerous street track on the calendar, it’s the one in Jeddah where we were a couple of weeks back.
Although I’d be lying if I said that the slo-mo camera footage of Alonso’s Melbourne crash in 2016, wasn’t one of my favourite pieces of F1 video. https://youtube.com/watch?v=x45fLUTHCuk
Man that was a big one. His car reduced to something that would fit in a suitcase and then he slithers out of it as if he's had nothing more than a minor ding at a roundabout..Although I’d be lying if I said that the slo-mo camera footage of Alonso’s Melbourne crash in 2016, wasn’t one of my favourite pieces of F1 video. https://youtube.com/watch?v=x45fLUTHCuk
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Tuesday 26th March 18:09
CoolHands said:
Erm maximising your potential ie to stand his best chance to stay in front down the next straight is of course racing.
But either way my point is the posters that don’t agree seem very unstable and can’t handle it
I agree with you on this, I’ve been involved in motorsport since I little kid my first 125cc TKM kart and racing has always been more than car/kart, it’s about the drivers and tactics.But either way my point is the posters that don’t agree seem very unstable and can’t handle it
I’ve had crashes previously and injured myself from something another driver has done, but I don’t blame them for it (although, granted, at the time you scream and shout about it to protect your ego).
When it comes to the final laps, drivers take bigger risks for a position, sometimes being pushed into a gravel trap, sometimes going for a gap that doesn’t exist, but often down to which driver has the bigger balls or the largest drive to win.
When it came to what Alonso did, he didn’t have GR on his a**e and brake check him(that would of been very bad form), he decided that shaving his pace (and subsequently GR’s pace) into the corner would allow him to pull enough of a gap on the exit to hold his position on the exit.
It was a solid tactic, any driver knows that when it comes to the last couple of laps, that’s when you have to concentrate the hardest, it’s when you all take ‘all or nothing’ risks whilst trying to anticipate the actions of others doing the same.
Although I’m Ferrari supporter, I do have a big appreciation of GR though, many of today’s F1 fans that have emerged from DtS don’t like his ‘vanilla’ personality, but it’s not about the ‘off track’ personality, he’s a great driver who remains very level headed, once he loses his ‘innocence’ in knowing what tactics are required to win, I see him as the next Nikki Lauder.
paulguitar said:
It's one race, and therefore a significant stretch.
The Mercedes era included three seasons with Hamilton and Rosberg racing each other, two seasons of Hamilton racing competitive Ferraris and one season of Hamilton racing Verstappen (who was awarded the WDC). Nothing involving 'rose tints', merely facts.
Nah. It just fits your narrative. The Mercedes era included three seasons with Hamilton and Rosberg racing each other, two seasons of Hamilton racing competitive Ferraris and one season of Hamilton racing Verstappen (who was awarded the WDC). Nothing involving 'rose tints', merely facts.
Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin Aramco Formula One® Team driver and Double FIA Formula 1 World Champion, said: “Promoting driving standards across motorsport is vitally important. I’ve been in my fair share of on-track battles throughout my 23-years of racing in multiple categories of motorsports. Each battle requires an understanding and respect between fiercely competitive racers. We need consistency in how drivers attack and defend on the race track, as well as how the rules are interpreted during all competitions. I want to promote clean driving for the current racing generation, and the upcoming racers who are learning their craft and wanting to have professional careers in the future. Everyone has a responsibility to enjoy racing but do it fairly. The FIA's new Drivers' Standards Guideline will be crucial.”
The new for 2025 driving standards document from the FIA for all drivers from grassroots up.
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-drivers-committee-del...
Release less than one month old, and you get Alonso doing the oposite of what he wrote.
The new for 2025 driving standards document from the FIA for all drivers from grassroots up.
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-drivers-committee-del...
Release less than one month old, and you get Alonso doing the oposite of what he wrote.
Edited by 540TORQUES on Wednesday 27th March 08:33
540TORQUES said:
Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin Aramco Formula One® Team driver and Double FIA Formula 1 World Champion, said: “Promoting driving standards across motorsport is vitally important. I’ve been in my fair share of on-track battles throughout my 23-years of racing in multiple categories of motorsports. Each battle requires an understanding and respect between fiercely competitive racers. We need consistency in how drivers attack and defend on the race track, as well as how the rules are interpreted during all competitions. I want to promote clean driving for the current racing generation, and the upcoming racers who are learning their craft and wanting to have professional careers in the future. Everyone has a responsibility to enjoy racing but do it fairly. The FIA's new Drivers' Standards Guideline will be crucial.”
The new for 2025 driving standards document from the FIA for all drivers from grassroots up.
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-drivers-committee-del...
Release less than one month old, and you get Alonso doing the oposite of what he wrote.
So no more 50g punting at Copse from 2025 ?The new for 2025 driving standards document from the FIA for all drivers from grassroots up.
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-drivers-committee-del...
Release less than one month old, and you get Alonso doing the oposite of what he wrote.
Edited by 540TORQUES on Wednesday 27th March 08:33
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