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deadslow said:
yes, that's right. Every party did not say there was nothing in it; the teams denied making the complaint, as I previously said. Please do keep up at the back.
Indeed, nuance is everything. Every team denied making a complaint means (if we assume they didn't lie) that they didn't actually make a complaint. It doesn't mean they don't think there's anything to complain about - only that they didn't complain. Another example would be if a team made a statement saying they engaged an independent KC to undertake an investigation into an allegation and that the complaint was dismissed. They aren't saying the KC dismissed the case, only that the complaint was dismissed.
Eric Mc said:
I'm beginning to think that Liberty's ownership of the F1 rights will destroy the whole thing.
I said when they first took over they don't really know what they've actually bought and will push endless nonsense on the sport until they destroy it. So far I'd say things are right on schedule Derek Smith said:
One thing I've learned from the Horner thread is that SWolff must have led him on. Worn a short skirt or see-through blouse. He's entirely innocent, and even if he's not, we should move on as there's nothing to see here.
(Have I got that right? Have I missed anything?)
That's about the long and short of it. (Have I got that right? Have I missed anything?)
The FIA are the victims here!
DanielSan said:
Eric Mc said:
I'm beginning to think that Liberty's ownership of the F1 rights will destroy the whole thing.
I said when they first took over they don't really know what they've actually bought and will push endless nonsense on the sport until they destroy it. So far I'd say things are right on schedule vaud said:
F1 has navigated far, far more significant issues than the recent headlines. Spying, race fixing, outright cheating...
The distinction being those past issues were F1 centric and stayed more or less within that sphere. The current one with Horner has burst out of F1 and into the mainstream. The sport is now in the thrall of external money and with that comes external scrutiny, much more than Spygate or Flavio ordering a convenient crash in Singapore ever had (Pat Symonds went from ban for life by the FIA to employed by them and nobody batted an eyelid, for example). vaud said:
F1 has navigated far, far more significant issues than the recent headlines. Spying, race fixing, outright cheating...
Cheating happens in sport, always has always will. F1 has also never been an outright media product like it is now, the sport is owned by yet another company that is only focused on short term growth and nothing else. That onky ends one way. DanielSan said:
Cheating happens in sport, always has always will. F1 has also never been an outright media product like it is now, the sport is owned by yet another company that is only focused on short term growth and nothing else. That onky ends one way.
On the contrary, I think their goals are medium to long term growth as the pay out is higher... when they sell to Aramco. vaud said:
On the contrary, I think their goals are medium to long term growth as the pay out is higher... when they sell to Aramco.
I think they've gone on record that they'd have sold already but for tax regime the structure is under. The risk for them is they alienate the legacy fans by turning the sport crap with a show focused on glitz ahead of substance and then new fans realise watching a procession of cars circulate for 2 hours line astern is really quite boring.
The real growth and the talk of growth can be masked temporarily by race, broadcast and sponsorship contracts signed on the upward curve. The challenge will be come renewal time when the value has been properly scrutinised.
As for the Wolff action, it stinks of a manoeuvre to help the movement trying to unseat MBS. That he utterly deserves to be removed doesn't make their action more worthy. The FIA are a blockage to free flowing control of F1's commercial desires. No doubt either control of the FIA or a split would be desirable to the sport's owners.
Forester1965 said:
I think they've gone on record that they'd have sold already but for tax regime the structure is under.
The risk for them is they alienate the legacy fans by turning the sport crap with a show focused on glitz ahead of substance and then new fans realise watching a procession of cars circulate for 2 hours line astern is really quite boring.
The real growth and the talk of growth can be masked temporarily by race, broadcast and sponsorship contracts signed on the upward curve. The challenge will be come renewal time when the value has been properly scrutinised.
As for the Wolff action, it stinks of a manoeuvre to help the movement trying to unseat MBS. That he utterly deserves to be removed doesn't make their action more worthy. The FIA are a blockage to free flowing control of F1's commercial desires. No doubt either control of the FIA or a split would be desirable to the sport's owners.
Or maybe they want some modicum of professionalism governing their sport/investment/employment. The risk for them is they alienate the legacy fans by turning the sport crap with a show focused on glitz ahead of substance and then new fans realise watching a procession of cars circulate for 2 hours line astern is really quite boring.
The real growth and the talk of growth can be masked temporarily by race, broadcast and sponsorship contracts signed on the upward curve. The challenge will be come renewal time when the value has been properly scrutinised.
As for the Wolff action, it stinks of a manoeuvre to help the movement trying to unseat MBS. That he utterly deserves to be removed doesn't make their action more worthy. The FIA are a blockage to free flowing control of F1's commercial desires. No doubt either control of the FIA or a split would be desirable to the sport's owners.
The FIA have always been arses, but MBS is on a different level of d
head.540TORQUES said:
Or maybe they want some modicum of professionalism governing their sport/investment/employment.
The FIA have always been arses, but MBS is on a different level of dhead.
I guess the thing with MBS is he hasn't the support elsewhere. Balestre and Mosely were crooked as they come but generally got away with it. Todt was a smooth operator by comparison to them all. The FIA have always been arses, but MBS is on a different level of d
head.The whole 'sport' is bent, though.
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