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T16OLE

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1,879 posts

61 months

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Basically...I may be moving house and from now walking to work I may have a 40 mile commute. My 330ci auto would cost me a fortune in fuel.

So I am looking at Audi mainly A3/A4, circa 2003/4

I have heard all sorts about VAG diesel, mainly from here about turbo, injector and fuel pump failure, is this mileage related, model year or lucky of the draw. Or is it a "when" rather than an "if"

As I understand the 1.9 is quiet agricultural but more reliable.

But are they really that bad, are there any particular engines to avoid.

I told my old 530d, because I was worried about these issues, but after 150k it was still on its original, turbo, injectors, fuel pump and clutch.

MPG wise, I know BMW`s have a higher MPG on paper but when I recently did a long journey in a 2011 320d @ 60mph it averaged about 65mpg, but did the same in an EOS I have at the minute and that was more like 72mpg. But on paper the bmw`s cycle is 62mpg and the eos only 52mpg...?

Any advice or tips would be appreciated



Edited by T16OLE on Friday 8th June 17:16

CampDavid

7,843 posts

68 months

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I've not got much experience of the 2.0 but I really like the 1.9.

Small powerband but lots of twist. Enjoyed trying to keep it on tap cross country

JWH

302 posts

134 months

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The abridged answer is anything with a PD130 in it. I was faced with a similar scenario 2 years ago and bought an PD130 Ibiza, no problems to date, an easy 55mpg on a gentle A-road/M-way commute (more if you try) and reasonably pokey (although it's still a rather old-school whizz-bang-noting power delivery.
Clearly they do have DMF/injector problem potential but as far as I can tell problems are few and far between if serviced regularly. Avoid PD150 as they consume camshafts which is an expensive diet.

Matt UK

7,589 posts

70 months

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The 1.9 seems to be a tough if agricultural engine.

150 seems to have some issues
115 has a reputation for being bullet proof
130 is probably the sweet spot for reliability / performance from this engine.

All will be getting old by now so IMO avoid any that have been chipped / mapped.

I have a 130 Passat; a great engine for motorway work and normally returns late 40s mpg over a tank.

T16OLE

Original Poster:

1,879 posts

61 months

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Matt UK said:
The 1.9 seems to be a tough if agricultural engine.

150 seems to have some issues
115 has a reputation for being bullet proof
130 is probably the sweet spot for reliability / performance from this engine.

All will be getting old by now so IMO avoid any that have been chipped / mapped.

I have a 130 Passat; a great engine for motorway work and normally returns late 40s mpg over a tank.
Cool cheers, I have been looking at the 2.0 (140) any insight into that would be great!

cheers
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HorneyMX5

906 posts

20 months

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Another vote for the PD130 engined cars. My Mum is smoking about in my Dad's old Bora which now has 190,000 on the clock and still going strong and enginewise had ntohing but regular servicing. After a recent suspension refresh the car feels tight and like new.

Nick

sleep envy

59,548 posts

119 months

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I've been running a 140 for the last 4.5 years/65k miles

I use an indy for servicing going on long life services - usually 18k between visits and £220+VAT

was used as a work hack (20-25k/yr) but changed jobs after two years - now used pretty much exclusive in London sat in traffic

the only engine failure in that time I've had is the pulley coming off the alternator - cost less than £150 to fix

easily see 50 mpg in town, near 60mpg on a run

93Jay

3,109 posts

34 months

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We had an 02 A4 TDI 130 sport, bought at 114k, other than servicing, EGR valve needed replacement at one point I think, Injectors went about 127K. Car was still on it's original clutch though.

HarryW

11,389 posts

139 months

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Whilst on the vag diesel topic, how does the 5 cylinder 2.5 fair.

eltax91

4,354 posts

76 months

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I've had two octavia. One was a pre pd 1.9 with the 110 bhp engine. Current one is a pd130. Personally I preferred the 110, it was quieter and smoother for me. The extra poke of the pd is noticeable though, its a just a bit less refined IMHO.

Both are bomb proof though, I do 10k oil changes on mine with good quality oil and stuck 99k on my first in 3 years with nothing but consumables and a MAF, it was on 77k when I bought it, it was on 176k when I wrote it off. Current one I've taken from 53k to 75k since September with only a service, not a single problem yet!

Love these engines for motorway hacking I decided to see if my wifes commuter would suit one. So we bought her an A3 with the 100 hp non pd nearly 4 years ago. That has gone from 117k to 142k but has needed a bit more. It's a 25 miles a day city commute driven with fk all sympathy and its needed a maf and a smf along with front suspension and drop links. It also has an anti shudder valve issue so I just disconnected it!

Buy one that has a full history and it'll never let you down.

T16OLE

Original Poster:

1,879 posts

61 months

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HarryW said:
Whilst on the vag diesel topic, how does the 5 cylinder 2.5 fair.
Might as well keep the 330i wink

Special K

889 posts

29 months

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JWH said:
Avoid PD150 as they consume camshafts which is an expensive diet.
To be fair all of the PD 8v engines suffer with camshaft problems, not just the PD150. I think it's just that more of the 150 owners have highlighted the problem on the net. smile

T16OLE

Original Poster:

1,879 posts

61 months

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So the 1.9pd is the one to go for over and above the 2.0

eltax91

4,354 posts

76 months

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T16OLE said:
So the 1.9pd is the one to go for over and above the 2.0
Absolutely. Both 1.9s are bomb proof. Just be careful if buying a late models with the 1.9. There were some 140 variants of the pd, but they had woeful reliability. You want the 90, 100, 110 or 130. These are faultless if looked after.

My current pd130 octavia is the last year with the engine and its a 54 plate.

EvoBarry

1,524 posts

135 months

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Be aware of the VVT on these motors, if its got gummed up and stuck its difficult to revive them and invariably means a replacement turbo, which gets expensive if you don't have helpful mates like I fortunately have!

Also, my 110 pre PD Octavia has just sheared its belt tensioner - am waiting to find out if its a faulty part or a deeper issue (somehow). Its a surprisingly refined unit when its working though smile

wiliferus

1,731 posts

68 months

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I started this topic about six months ago, has a useful insight from Tame Technician who is a VAG oracle..

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

HTH thumbup

HeatonNorris

1,649 posts

18 months

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I'd have thought that the answer was a 2.0 Passat with the 2.0TDI-PD engine.

They're absolutely bulletproof and you'd get a good Passat B6 for less money than a 2004 model A4.

(I'm on my 2nd B6 now - my first one was a 2.0TDI-140 with the PD lump - it did 3 years at 50k miles / year with no issues at all)

dhariwab

288 posts

21 months

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Mrs has got 2.0 tdi 140 (BKD engined) 4motion on 145000 miles a bit noisy but otherwise running fine. Interior in great condition considering the mileage but a few rust spots periodically appear on the doorrs/wheel arches which have to be got rid of no matter how much you wax/seal the car. Flywheel starting rattling last year so I replaced it as a precaution and whilst doing it noticed the car had been given a replacement clujtch so I think the issue was due to driving style as much as an inherent fault. Really easy to DIY, did the cambelt/water pump at the same time and haldex oil change. You appreciate how much engineering has gone into them when you take them apart.

vit4

3,094 posts

40 months

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My dad's got a 1.9PD 100 (I believe) in his '05 Fabia estate. Easy 70mpg if you take it easy. In around 60,000 miles the only expenses outside of servicing have been minor suspension fixes, no more than £300 all in. Nothing engine related at all. smile

ruff'n'smov

653 posts

19 months

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T16OLE said:
Basically...I may be moving house and from now walking to work I may have a 40 mile commute. My 330ci auto would cost me a fortune in fuel.

So I am looking at Audi mainly A3/A4, circa 2003/4

I have heard all sorts about VAG diesel, mainly from here about turbo, injector and fuel pump failure, is this mileage related, model year or lucky of the draw. Or is it a "when" rather than an "if"

As I understand the 1.9 is quiet agricultural but more reliable.

But are they really that bad, are there any particular engines to avoid.

I told my old 530d, because I was worried about these issues, but after 150k it was still on its original, turbo, injectors, fuel pump and clutch.

MPG wise, I know BMW`s have a higher MPG on paper but when I recently did a long journey in a 2011 320d @ 60mph it averaged about 65mpg, but did the same in an EOS I have at the minute and that was more like 72mpg. But on paper the bmw`s cycle is 62mpg and the eos only 52mpg...?

Any advice or tips would be appreciated



Edited by T16OLE on Friday 8th June 17:16
They're absolutely shocking ...a mistake that VAG group made akin to the Lancia steel decision in the '70's ...that's why you don't see any VW Audi diesels older than a '59 plate.

seriously, it's all about luck in my opinion. I had a turbo go on a '10 plate 2.0 170 with 13k on about a month ago...now I'm driving a '58 plate 2.0 170 with 157k on it and original turbo and no big parts gone, as far as service history says.

But a 530d (only BMW I really liked) would be great as would an A6 3.0d. Will it be a commuting hack or your main car.

If its just an 80 mile a day commuter I'd get a little petrol

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