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blindswelledrat

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18,925 posts

101 months

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veevee said:
Pretty much any car <3.0 in the last few years. Or any diesel ever. Take your pick.
Until 2010 pretty much no car > 1.3 did 45 combined so unless you are thinking purely best case 60mph motorway driving then I'd suggest otherwise

Pappa Lurve

3,252 posts

151 months

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Drove an Xf2.2D today. 120 miles, roughly 80 on fairly clear motorways although a bit of start and stop for traffic. The rest was on local roads, at least half in traffic. returned over 46MPG. Not a bad car to drive at all and lovely interior, loads of toys and well bolted together.

fluffnik

17,292 posts

96 months

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Fox- said:
blindswelledrat said:
A cheap week in France has just cost me over £500 in petrol which just gets on my nerves,
You either drove almost 3000 miles or you drove at 100mph. Which is it? Because expecting either to be cheap regardless of car is a bit nieve!
I just spent ~£750 doing about 2.5k in a fortnight, mostly on D roads, about half in the mountains, brisk rather than silly...

Dog Star

2,659 posts

37 months

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My SLK 250 CDi (RWD, 201bhp, 500Nm torque) gave me 72.6mpg on my 34 mile commute this morning...

300bhp/ton

26,483 posts

59 months

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blindswelledrat said:
Can anyone suggest any?
Im toying with new family cars with economy being a criteria.
Ive noticed that there seems to be some nice cars available that can get 45mpg+
Examples being XC60, Evoque, C class 250d.
Any others that are worth considering?
I don't suspect an Evoque, or probably any of the those listed will do an easy 45mpg all the time.

There's a huge difference in being able to attain 'x' mpg under specific conditions and actually AVERAGING that mpg over mixed use. Might be something to consider.

Personally my experience would demonstrate a huge variance is attainable, maybe up to around 40% difference in mpg depending on usage.
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kambites

32,857 posts

90 months

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If you want to average over 45mpg without driving like a granny, you should probably be looking at something with an official figure of over 55. That pretty much restricts you to a diesel, but most modern four-pot 2WD diesel cars will manage that (and a few 6-pot ones like the 330d).


Edited by kambites on Tuesday 7th August 09:07

300bhp/ton

26,483 posts

59 months

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blindswelledrat said:
Fox- said:
You either drove almost 3000 miles or you drove at 100mph. Which is it? Because expecting either to be cheap regardless of car is a bit nieve!
Nieve?
2000 @ 80 fully laden with roofbox. Trip counter reckoned 31 mpg which is about my cars expected combined figure. So not that naive, just logical
Running at high speed with a huge aero restriction will not be good for fuel no matter what vehicle.

Maybe slowing to 60mph and even dumping the roof box would see better improvements than simply changing cars.

r129sl

2,370 posts

72 months

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It depends what you mean by "economy" and "nice".

This is boring and has been said already, but the cost of petrol is nothing compared to the cost of depreciation. Unless it is kaput, the cheapest car to run is the car you already own because your capital is already sunk into it and you have no doubt endured the worst of the depreciation. A new C-Class is all well and good but the annual depreciation is about £6k a year over three years. That is £500 a month. £1,000 of tax paid income. Of course, you are reminded of the cost of petrol every time you fill up, whereas the depreciation is quietly forgotten about not long after you've depleted your savings of £20,000 or more. If you do less than 12,000miles a year, though, the difference between a 20mpg petrol car and a 50mpg diesel car is only about £185 a month, assuming petrol is £1.40/L and diesel £1.45/L. It is not worth spending £20,000 to obtain this saving.

It has also been noted already that the turbo diesels can be driven economically or they can be driven fast, but not both. Exploit the forced-induction torque in any mid-size 2.0TDI and you'll get about 40mpg. That's what I got out of my BMW 320d. Likewise if you cruise much above the speed limit: fuel consumption increases exponentially with speed. That said, my wife commutes 30miles each way in mixed traffic in a Golf Mk5 2.0TDI and gets 46mpg, although she doesn't drive fast.

But the fact is that any car with a 4-cylinder turbo diesel is never going to be really nice. They are bloody awful engines compared to a six cylinder NA petrol. Even compared to a turbo diesel six they are horrid. They are inherently unrefined and they have very unpleasant power delivery characteristics: nothing, nothing, nothing, WHAM, nothing. Admittedly, modern autos with ten million ratios mask this quite well, but for any enthusiast there is no joy to be found here.

If I had £20,000 for a new used car, I would probably spend £15,000 on a modern petrol six rather than £20,000 on a similar 2.0TDI. I suspect I'd be no worse off financially yet I would have a much nicer car.

V8Triumph

5,961 posts

84 months

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inman999 said:
blindswelledrat said:
Can anyone suggest any?
Im toying with new family cars with economy being a criteria.
Ive noticed that there seems to be some nice cars available that can get 45mpg+
Examples being XC60, Evoque, C class 250d.
Any others that are worth considering?
Why worry about an extra 10-15 mpg when it will pale in to insignificance next the depreciation?, unless you do galactic mileages.

Having said that anything with a 2 litre diesel from BMW or Audi. Ford Kuga maybe.
Indeed smile Buy a Series 2 XJ6 for £5k, drive around in complete and utter comfort with lots of space. Sit back ad marvel at how much money you have saved on the new car and put it in a pot for petrol ... LOTS of petrol. Better still buy a V12 lick

Dog Star

2,659 posts

37 months

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V8Triumph said:
Indeed smile Buy a Series 2 XJ6 for £5k, drive around in complete and utter comfort with lots of space. Sit back ad marvel at how much money you have saved on the new car and put it in a pot for petrol ... LOTS of petrol. Better still buy a V12 lick
And cost yourself ££££££££££££££££s when it goes wrong.

I've spent the last few years smoking round in a Merc SL using the logic described above. However it didn't work out like that - it cost me around 5-6K a year in servicing and repairs (and that's with me doing everything possible).

Sure, there will be a load of people who will pipe up now and say they ran some 16 cylinder German starcruiser for 5 years with nought but an air filter to replace. However there are also people like me who have spent an utter fortune.

Big engine, formerly-expensive cars as a used car proposition almost always ends in tears IME

jbi

5,276 posts

73 months

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Dog Star said:
And cost yourself ££££££££££££££££s when it goes wrong.

I've spent the last few years smoking round in a Merc SL using the logic described above. However it didn't work out like that - it cost me around 5-6K a year in servicing and repairs (and that's with me doing everything possible).

Sure, there will be a load of people who will pipe up now and say they ran some 16 cylinder German starcruiser for 5 years with nought but an air filter to replace. However there are also people like me who have spent an utter fortune.

Big engine, formerly-expensive cars as a used car proposition almost always ends in tears IME
should have bought a lexus

Devil2575

4,382 posts

57 months

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BMW 320d.

Unless you do a lot of motorway miles I doubt a petrol will come close to 45 mpg. My old Focus 1.8 TDCI does 41 mpg round the doors and a lot more on a run. A newer 320d will easily give you 45 mpg.

Ignore people who only claim to be able to get 30 mpg from diesels. They either don't know how to drive a diesel, drive like a complete nutter or their car is not well. I don't think I could get my old focus under 35 mpg without losing my license.

redgriff500

6,902 posts

132 months

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Hangus said:
redgriff500 said:
When I drive a modern 130bhp diesel I manage 30mpg
Jesus Christ! How many points do you have? Or put it another way, how long do your tyres last?
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I commute 5 miles several times a day and I drive quickly, 200bhp petrol cars give 25 on the same run.

I tend to get 10k out of a set of tyres.

300bhp/ton

26,483 posts

59 months

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Dog Star said:
V8Triumph said:
Indeed smile Buy a Series 2 XJ6 for £5k, drive around in complete and utter comfort with lots of space. Sit back ad marvel at how much money you have saved on the new car and put it in a pot for petrol ... LOTS of petrol. Better still buy a V12 lick
And cost yourself ££££££££££££££££s when it goes wrong.

I've spent the last few years smoking round in a Merc SL using the logic described above. However it didn't work out like that - it cost me around 5-6K a year in servicing and repairs (and that's with me doing everything possible).

Sure, there will be a load of people who will pipe up now and say they ran some 16 cylinder German starcruiser for 5 years with nought but an air filter to replace. However there are also people like me who have spent an utter fortune.

Big engine, formerly-expensive cars as a used car proposition almost always ends in tears IME
How long is a few years? 3, 5 maybe? And you're saying you've spent £15,000 - £30,000 in service and repairs??? confused

That would appear to be nuts. Either you've been hugely unlucky or just going about it the wrong way. Curious to know what these costs have actually been for?

300bhp/ton

26,483 posts

59 months

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Devil2575 said:
BMW 320d.

Unless you do a lot of motorway miles I doubt a petrol will come close to 45 mpg. My old Focus 1.8 TDCI does 41 mpg round the doors and a lot more on a run. A newer 320d will easily give you 45 mpg.

Ignore people who only claim to be able to get 30 mpg from diesels. They either don't know how to drive a diesel, drive like a complete nutter or their car is not well. I don't think I could get my old focus under 35 mpg without losing my license.
That's quite a limited view of things. Where you drive plays a huge part in mpg. For example if you spend the majority of your miles at 65mph on the motorway, then sure you'll get great mpg.

If however you drive 3-5 miles on an empty fun B/C road then into a town with lots of traffic lights and rounabouts for another 2 miles. Your mpg would likely suck by comparison.

Devil2575

4,382 posts

57 months

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300bhp/ton said:
That's quite a limited view of things. Where you drive plays a huge part in mpg. For example if you spend the majority of your miles at 65mph on the motorway, then sure you'll get great mpg.

If however you drive 3-5 miles on an empty fun B/C road then into a town with lots of traffic lights and rounabouts for another 2 miles. Your mpg would likely suck by comparison.
My commute is 9 miles. I have to go through 10 roundabouts and 2 sets of traffic lights along single carriage way roads where hold ups are common and traffic is heavy. On cold mornings my car car doesn't even get fully warm till 1 mile before work.

Yet my old 2003 TDCI with 90k on the clock still returns an average of 41 mpg. The worst I have ever seen (calculated properly, not based on the computer)is 39 mpg. On a run it will easily do 50+ mpg.

Like I said, to get 35 mpg I'd have to really be giving it come all the time.

Any newer diesel saloon or hatch should easily be able to get the same or more unless it's a lot bigger or a 4x4.


em177

1,160 posts

33 months

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Dog Star said:
My SLK 250 CDi (RWD, 201bhp, 500Nm torque) gave me 72.6mpg on my 34 mile commute this morning...
I call bks! Was this from the trip computer or actually calculating it?

Unless you live at the bottom of a very steep gorge and you push it down of a morning I would be unbelievably impressed if that's a true figure

300bhp/ton

26,483 posts

59 months

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em177 said:
Dog Star said:
My SLK 250 CDi (RWD, 201bhp, 500Nm torque) gave me 72.6mpg on my 34 mile commute this morning...
I call bks! Was this from the trip computer or actually calculating it?

Unless you live at the bottom of a very steep gorge and you push it down of a morning I would be unbelievably impressed if that's a true figure
Also there is some logic to suggest you can't actually get 72mpg while only having covered 34 miles wink

Dakkon

6,241 posts

122 months

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I started on a new project, I bought a 2003 Laguna 1.9 TDI for £1500, my commute is 120 miles a day and claiming 45p a mile in fuel expenses.

Car cost me another £1500 in repairs and servicing and £80 a week in fuel averaging 44mpg.

However, the Laguna has no power, is tedious and dull to drive, but it is effectively free motoring.

After nine months I cannot take driving the car anymore and I am actively looking for someone petrol and more exciting and sod the fuel costs.

Doshy

431 posts

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Got 45mpg out of my Subaru Outback on a longish run the other day. Not bad for 2.5L petrol but I did drive like a granny. And very dull it was too.


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