How to catch a cloned plate scammer?
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I wouldn't mind betting the scrotes list of crimes doesn't start and end with a cloned plate and dodged ULEZ. Bet it has got no insurance, tax, MOT and guessing other low level crimes involved too. If the police (and more importantly the courts) did their job this scumbag should be locked up, fined, banned and car crushed, can't stand these w
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Geertsen said:
That’s brilliant!
This sort of thing will just carry on because there doesn’t seem to be any consequences does there. The police are so overstretched in urban areas that they wouldn’t even do what you’ve done. And the person doing the cloning is just constantly changing plates by the sound of it and causing people like yourself a lot of inconvenience. At the risk of scaremongering, I wonder if they’ll go back to your plate at any point? ...seen as they already have the plates made up.
Just had a call back from the guy whose cloned plates are currently on the car.This sort of thing will just carry on because there doesn’t seem to be any consequences does there. The police are so overstretched in urban areas that they wouldn’t even do what you’ve done. And the person doing the cloning is just constantly changing plates by the sound of it and causing people like yourself a lot of inconvenience. At the risk of scaremongering, I wonder if they’ll go back to your plate at any point? ...seen as they already have the plates made up.
Sounds like he’s had it worse than me with twice as many fines, tickets and other crap. And his plate is still on the car, as of last night…
The only way to stop law-breaking scumbags - from Boris to this plate-cloning tool - is to show them the most serious possible consequences to their actions by not letting things slide. Will see what I can do with one of them, at least…
Whilst it would be tempting to start nicking the cloners plates from time to time, any chance of asking a local police station (if such a thing still exists in your area) if they can come down and have a look? If not, what about the PCC, seeing as they love anything that makes it look like they are doing something worthwhile.
A few years ago I had my plates cloned on my French car in france.
I reported a speeding fine to the police and was ale to prove conclusively that it was not me or my car.
The police instructed me to change my number plate. That took months and during that time I was stopped twice by the police on suspicion of driving a stolen car. I had asked for a get out of jail free letter from the local plod so I was sent on my way pretty quickly.
It show me that the french system works well.
I reported a speeding fine to the police and was ale to prove conclusively that it was not me or my car.
The police instructed me to change my number plate. That took months and during that time I was stopped twice by the police on suspicion of driving a stolen car. I had asked for a get out of jail free letter from the local plod so I was sent on my way pretty quickly.
It show me that the french system works well.
Smint said:
At the risk of looking foolish, again, presumably now you've done plods job for them you've informed them so they can arrest said nacker as soon as the reg pings? ok i know, more chance of pissing in Camilla's handbag.
Well done chap.
Yes. I’ve given everything from the location of the car to the VIN, my cloned plate, the second cloned plate I’m aware of, said I have photos etc. etc. etc. The response is absolute crap.Well done chap.
“The use of cloned plates is not currently a criminal offence, however, vehicles will be circulated on the Police data base to allow officers to stop vehicles matching the registration of the cloned vehicle to investigate if the vehicle is legitimate.”
So, basically might as well SORN all your cars, stick some cloned plates on and relax…
Mr-B said:
I wouldn't mind betting the scrotes list of crimes doesn't start and end with a cloned plate and dodged ULEZ. Bet it has got no insurance, tax, MOT and guessing other low level crimes involved too. If the police (and more importantly the courts) did their job this scumbag should be locked up, fined, banned and car crushed, can't stand these wkers.
If they’re doing 67mph in a 30mph zone - one of their fines, sent to me - I imagine their list of crimes is…extensive.kers.That’s why I thought providing them as much info as possible might incite some action.
RazerSauber said:
Would removing the fake plates from the cloned vehicle be a good idea since you know where it is? Destructively or not, at least your plate is removed.
They’ve progressed from my plates onto some more cloned ones now.Wonder if you can claim ‘ownership’ of a number plate and remove it, even from someone else’s car, if it’s on the road…?
Glassman said:
ANPR will think it's the same car, surely?
Exactly. They would have been driving their non-ULEZ exempt car on my ULEZ-exempt plates - ULEZ fraud.I’m not concerned for me, just wondering which one of their crimes the Met/TfL/borough would take most seriously. Surely ULEZ fraud is a Pretty Big Deal in some council corridors these days amongst those who think a non-ULEZ car will kill you if you so much as glance at it.
RoVoFob said:
Glassman said:
ANPR will think it's the same car, surely?
Exactly. They would have been driving their non-ULEZ exempt car on my ULEZ-exempt plates - ULEZ fraud.I heard that the way to dodge the ULEZ, or any other car tax was to register the car to Sadiq Khan
RoVoFob said:
Yes. I’ve given everything from the location of the car to the VIN, my cloned plate, the second cloned plate I’m aware of, said I have photos etc. etc. etc. The response is absolute crap.
“The use of cloned plates is not currently a criminal offence, however, vehicles will be circulated on the Police data base to allow officers to stop vehicles matching the registration of the cloned vehicle to investigate if the vehicle is legitimate.”
So, basically might as well SORN all your cars, stick some cloned plates on and relax…
Can you find out the top copper in your area, Chief Constable or whoever. Email details of your experience, as politely as you can, asking for an immediate response!! (yeah, right), When you get more excuses back, reply with your honest anger, but copy in your local MP! They like to jump on officious officials! Had occasion to do this with an officious, jumped up little t“The use of cloned plates is not currently a criminal offence, however, vehicles will be circulated on the Police data base to allow officers to stop vehicles matching the registration of the cloned vehicle to investigate if the vehicle is legitimate.”
So, basically might as well SORN all your cars, stick some cloned plates on and relax…
t in my local council and he suddenly agreed with me after one email replying to him and copying our email trail to my MP Different type of officious tt but it may embarrass him and get a result. It will make you feel a bit better though! 
Short Grain said:
Can you find out the top copper in your area, Chief Constable or whoever. Email details of your experience, as politely as you can, asking for an immediate response!! (yeah, right), When you get more excuses back, reply with your honest anger, but copy in your local MP! They like to jump on officious officials! Had occasion to do this with an officious, jumped up little tt in my local council and he suddenly agreed with me after one email replying to him and copying our email trail to my MP Different type of officious tt but it may embarrass him and get a result. It will make you feel a bit better though!
That’ll be the next stage! First, I need to challenge all three of yesterday’s parking tickets with location, pictures, plates, VIN etc. so the council has all of the details and might join everything up in a few years’ time. Joy.t in my local council and he suddenly agreed with me after one email replying to him and copying our email trail to my MP Different type of officious tt but it may embarrass him and get a result. It will make you feel a bit better though! Edited by RoVoFob on Tuesday 20th June 23:29
Edited by RoVoFob on Tuesday 20th June 23:30
If you've got the VIN is there anyone on PH who can do a reverse search for the correct number plate for the vehicle??
The cloning may well be to avoid ULEZ and parking fines but I bet it's also to cover off the lack of MOT, Insurance, VED and anything else that might be going on in the background
I'm amazed the Police aren't taking any interest at all - it's not just the cloning activity it's the potential for other activities - OK it was a long time ago but when I was a probationary constable I would have been like a dog with a bone to have this for the experience (arrest, paperwork and court process)
The cloning may well be to avoid ULEZ and parking fines but I bet it's also to cover off the lack of MOT, Insurance, VED and anything else that might be going on in the background
I'm amazed the Police aren't taking any interest at all - it's not just the cloning activity it's the potential for other activities - OK it was a long time ago but when I was a probationary constable I would have been like a dog with a bone to have this for the experience (arrest, paperwork and court process)
B'stard Child said:
If you've got the VIN is there anyone on PH who can do a reverse search for the correct number plate for the vehicle??
The cloning may well be to avoid ULEZ and parking fines but I bet it's also to cover off the lack of MOT, Insurance, VED and anything else that might be going on in the background
I'm amazed the Police aren't taking any interest at all - it's not just the cloning activity it's the potential for other activities - OK it was a long time ago but when I was a probationary constable I would have been like a dog with a bone to have this for the experience (arrest, paperwork and court process)
Someone must be able to find out the plate with the VIN.The cloning may well be to avoid ULEZ and parking fines but I bet it's also to cover off the lack of MOT, Insurance, VED and anything else that might be going on in the background
I'm amazed the Police aren't taking any interest at all - it's not just the cloning activity it's the potential for other activities - OK it was a long time ago but when I was a probationary constable I would have been like a dog with a bone to have this for the experience (arrest, paperwork and court process)
Thought it was a ULEZ dodge, too, but the current cloned plates fitted are from another non-ULEZ diesel, so maybe not. Or they’re stupid. Absolutely, I’m 99% sure there won’t be insurance, road tax or MOT.
Not sure why the police auto-response is so, ‘Yeah, cloned plates are fine, don’t-worry-about-it’. Imagine someone will sit up and take some notice if I’ve done most of the homework for them and they can see multiple crimes stacking up.
RoVoFob said:
Yes. I’ve given everything from the location of the car to the VIN, my cloned plate, the second cloned plate I’m aware of, said I have photos etc. etc. etc. The response is absolute crap.
“The use of cloned plates is not currently a criminal offence, however, vehicles will be circulated on the Police data base to allow officers to stop vehicles matching the registration of the cloned vehicle to investigate if the vehicle is legitimate.”
So, basically might as well SORN all your cars, stick some cloned plates on and relax…
I couldn't believe using false plates isn't against the law, so googled it quickly.“The use of cloned plates is not currently a criminal offence, however, vehicles will be circulated on the Police data base to allow officers to stop vehicles matching the registration of the cloned vehicle to investigate if the vehicle is legitimate.”
So, basically might as well SORN all your cars, stick some cloned plates on and relax…
Loads of info about £1k fines for incorrect spacing or characters, but nothing about using a (legal) plate that isn't your vehicle's reg.
It is indeed ridiculous, the guy doing it is a scumbag, but then you think he's saving a load of cash and can obviously sleep at night...
I get the police have resource constraints, but my Facebook is full of tvp or Mercia police etc pulling car with show plates, making a big deal about how safe they're making the roads. It seems traf pol still go for low hanging fruit.
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