150 cars too big for modern parking spaces

150 cars too big for modern parking spaces

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smn159

12,679 posts

218 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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272BHP said:
In my humble opinion the standard should be something like if 3 current VW Golfs are parked together and positioned perfectly within their lines then the middle car should be able to open all doors fully without touching the other cars and have a couple of inches of additional allowance.
No-one able bodied should need to open a car door to its fullest extent to get in or out. Maybe part of the issue is that over 60% of the UK population are overweight or obese.

272BHP

5,091 posts

237 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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smn159 said:
No-one able bodied should need to open a car door to its fullest extent to get in or out. Maybe part of the issue is that over 60% of the UK population are overweight or obese.
Not every one is able bodied though, the majority of people with injured body parts are suffering only temporary or intermittently so do not qualify for a blue badge. There have been many times in my life where contorting to get out of a car has proved quite difficult.

Pretty much everyone of pensionable age struggles to get out of a half open car door without inadvertently bumping paintwork against paintwork at least a few times a year.

Silvanus

5,251 posts

24 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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LunarOne said:
gazza285 said:
LunarOne said:
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.
Your bit might be, but most of the country is not heavily populated.
According to these UN figures from 2021, the UK is the 51st most densely populated country in the world, and the 3rd most densely populated in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium, both of which are about 1/10th the size of the UK in area. Here's a list of European countries with a sprinkling of other large or developed countries for comparison. The world average is 60 people per km²

World Ranking Country/Territory Persons per km² Population (2021) Continent
25 Republic of Korea 527.7 51,305,184 Asia
26 Netherlands 509.3 17,173,094 Europe
34 Belgium 384.2 11,632,334 Europe
39 Japan 345.8 126,050,796 Asia
51 United Kingdom 281.9 68,207,114 Europe
61 Germany 240.7 83,900,471 Europe
68 Switzerland 220.6 8,715,494 Europe
74 Italy 205.2 60,367,471 Europe
81 China 153.8 1,444,216,102 Asia
88 Czechia 138.8 10,724,553 Europe
89 Denmark 137 5,813,302 Europe
90 Thailand 136.9 69,950,844 Asia
95 Poland 123.4 37,797,000 Europe
98 France 119.5 65,426,177 Europe
103 Portugal 111 10,167,923 Europe
106 Austria 109.7 9,043,072 Europe
108 Cuba 106.3 11,317,498 North America
121 Spain 93.72 46,745,211 Europe
129 Romania 83.1 19,127,772 Europe
138 Ukraine 75.03 43,466,822 Europe
140 Croatia 72.94 4,081,657 Europe
141 Ireland 72.33 4,982,904 Europe
149 Mexico 67.01 130,262,220 North America
163 South Africa 49.5 60,041,996 Africa
177 United States of America 36.39 332,915,074 North America
183 Estonia 31.26 1,325,188 Europe
188 Chile 25.84 19,212,362 South America
190 Brazil 25.6 213,993,441 South America
195 Sweden 24.76 10,160,159 Europe
203 Finland 18.26 5,548,361 Europe
208 Argentina 16.66 45,605,823 South America
213 Norway 14.96 5,465,629 Europe
217 Russian Federation 8.91 145,912,022 Europe
229 Iceland 3.425 343,360 Europe
World 60.53 7,874,965,732


Edited by LunarOne on Tuesday 29th August 14:38
If you look at England separately, which is more realistic, it's 434 people per square km² which pushes us much higher up the rankings.

MC Bodge

21,632 posts

176 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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smn159 said:
No-one able bodied should need to open a car door to its fullest extent to get in or out. Maybe part of the issue is that over 60% of the UK population are overweight or obese.
The general conditioning of people in the UK is shocking.

Many of today's young people are going to be in terrible state by middle age.

Old people do not all need to have poor mobility and massive weight by virtue of age either.

Bending to put a child in a car seems to be a common concern of PHers, and a reason for buying an SUV. Beyond changing a 3 door to a 5 door car, we never gave it much thought when we had our first child back in 2010.

It does make me wonder how many people would struggle to get themself up from the floor.

smn159

12,679 posts

218 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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MC Bodge said:
It does make me wonder how many people would struggle to get themself up from the floor.
yes

Maintaining good core and lower body strength and balance is critical as you get older but most don't bother

272BHP

5,091 posts

237 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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You are just as likely to struggle getting out of a car when you are fit than if you are not.

Fit people tend to be active, try getting out of a car the day after playing a strenuous competitive football/rugby/name your sport match etc

The last thing you need is another car barely 20 inches away when you are trying to force aching body parts out of a car door.

Parking spaces are too small.

MC Bodge

21,632 posts

176 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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272BHP said:
You are just as likely to struggle getting out of a car when you are fit than if you are not.

Fit people tend to be active, try getting out of a car the day after playing a strenuous competitive football/rugby/name your sport match etc

The last thing you need is another car barely 20 inches away when you are trying to force aching body parts out of a car door.

Parking spaces are too small.
Parking spaces are often quite small because cars have grown.

The physical difficulties you describe for sports players seem a little over-stated, though....

Blib

44,165 posts

198 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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RB Will said:
Blib said:


I took this one. We owned both cars at the time and I don't know how to photoshop.

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Both camels are present and correct though
yes

272BHP

5,091 posts

237 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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MC Bodge said:
Parking spaces are often quite small because cars have grown.
So why aren't the spaces made bigger to compensate? surely easier to do that than make cars smaller.

MC Bodge

21,632 posts

176 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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272BHP said:
MC Bodge said:
Parking spaces are often quite small because cars have grown.
So why aren't the spaces made bigger to compensate? surely easier to do that than make cars smaller.
If all cars become the size of HGV tractor units, should all car park spaces and car parks expand to accommodate them?

AmyRichardson

1,087 posts

43 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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MC Bodge said:
If all cars become the size of HGV tractor units, should all car park spaces and car parks expand to accommodate them?
Lots of "the penny has dropped that my choice of a large car has a downside; the state/Tescos/NCP should bale me out my consumer decision."

A pair of Polos or Fiestas parked square in their respective 2400mm bays have 650mm between them, not quite a full door swing but very easy to deal with (even after a monster leg-day), so it's not beyond the wit of man to work to the infrastructure.

AdeTuono

7,255 posts

228 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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MC Bodge said:
272BHP said:
MC Bodge said:
Parking spaces are often quite small because cars have grown.
So why aren't the spaces made bigger to compensate? surely easier to do that than make cars smaller.
If all cars become the size of HGV tractor units, should all car park spaces and car parks expand to accommodate them?
Yes, obviously.

Milkyway

9,459 posts

54 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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We need to widen the roads as well...about a metre each side / lane should be enough.
The benchmark should be for two SUV’s passing each other from opposition directions & enough space for them to negotiate junctions.

Edited by Milkyway on Monday 4th September 08:42

LunarOne

5,214 posts

138 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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Silvanus said:
LunarOne said:
gazza285 said:
LunarOne said:
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.
Your bit might be, but most of the country is not heavily populated.
According to these UN figures from 2021, the UK is the 51st most densely populated country in the world, and the 3rd most densely populated in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium, both of which are about 1/10th the size of the UK in area. Here's a list of European countries with a sprinkling of other large or developed countries for comparison. The world average is 60 people per km²

World Ranking Country/Territory Persons per km² Population (2021) Continent
25 Republic of Korea 527.7 51,305,184 Asia
26 Netherlands 509.3 17,173,094 Europe
34 Belgium 384.2 11,632,334 Europe
39 Japan 345.8 126,050,796 Asia
51 United Kingdom 281.9 68,207,114 Europe
61 Germany 240.7 83,900,471 Europe
68 Switzerland 220.6 8,715,494 Europe
74 Italy 205.2 60,367,471 Europe
81 China 153.8 1,444,216,102 Asia
88 Czechia 138.8 10,724,553 Europe
89 Denmark 137 5,813,302 Europe
90 Thailand 136.9 69,950,844 Asia
95 Poland 123.4 37,797,000 Europe
98 France 119.5 65,426,177 Europe
103 Portugal 111 10,167,923 Europe
106 Austria 109.7 9,043,072 Europe
108 Cuba 106.3 11,317,498 North America
121 Spain 93.72 46,745,211 Europe
129 Romania 83.1 19,127,772 Europe
138 Ukraine 75.03 43,466,822 Europe
140 Croatia 72.94 4,081,657 Europe
141 Ireland 72.33 4,982,904 Europe
149 Mexico 67.01 130,262,220 North America
163 South Africa 49.5 60,041,996 Africa
177 United States of America 36.39 332,915,074 North America
183 Estonia 31.26 1,325,188 Europe
188 Chile 25.84 19,212,362 South America
190 Brazil 25.6 213,993,441 South America
195 Sweden 24.76 10,160,159 Europe
203 Finland 18.26 5,548,361 Europe
208 Argentina 16.66 45,605,823 South America
213 Norway 14.96 5,465,629 Europe
217 Russian Federation 8.91 145,912,022 Europe
229 Iceland 3.425 343,360 Europe
World 60.53 7,874,965,732


Edited by LunarOne on Tuesday 29th August 14:38
If you look at England separately, which is more realistic, it's 434 people per square km² which pushes us much higher up the rankings.
Somebody else pointed this out and it just makes my point even stronger. We have a small country and it's very highly populated.

LunarOne

5,214 posts

138 months

Sunday 3rd September 2023
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272BHP said:
MC Bodge said:
Parking spaces are often quite small because cars have grown.
So why aren't the spaces made bigger to compensate? surely easier to do that than make cars smaller.
Because the size of business' car park does not get bigger, just because you bought a car that's too big. The country doesn't get bigger. It's fine if you want to boycott businesses which can't provide space for your car, but fining them? Really? I love my cars as much as anyone (and I own one that's nearly 5M long) and I'm not complaining that car park spaces are too small. Yes, I'd love them to be sized like they are in the U.S., but be realistic!

272BHP

5,091 posts

237 months

Monday 4th September 2023
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AmyRichardson said:
Lots of "the penny has dropped that my choice of a large car has a downside; the state/Tescos/NCP should bale me out my consumer decision."

A pair of Polos or Fiestas parked square in their respective 2400mm bays have 650mm between them, not quite a full door swing but very easy to deal with (even after a monster leg-day), so it's not beyond the wit of man to work to the infrastructure.
It is not a simple consumer decision. Safety standards have pushed up car sizes massively and the average family car are big beasts these days. Polos and Fiestas are simply not going to work for everyone.

Car park spaces are in the main just a line of paint - draw 9 spaces instead of 10.

MC Bodge

21,632 posts

176 months

Monday 4th September 2023
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LunarOne said:
Somebody else pointed this out and it just makes my point even stronger. We have a small country and it's very highly populated.
As with some other countries on the list, England is very densely populated in a few urban conurbations and regions.

AmyRichardson

1,087 posts

43 months

Monday 4th September 2023
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272BHP said:
It is not a simple consumer decision. Safety standards have pushed up car sizes massively and the average family car are big beasts these days. Polos and Fiestas are simply not going to work for everyone.

Car park spaces are in the main just a line of paint - draw 9 spaces instead of 10.
It stone-cold is a consumer choice; there's no burly men knocking on your door at 3am ready to frog-march you to a dealership - "wide car or shallow grave citizen, what will it be?" Many a 2-child family gets by in something like a Golf (a notional 610mm clearance, easy for all but the most powerfully built) and never gives it a second thought. Okay, a Golf won't handle more than 4 in comfort but again that's individual choice, vasectomies are covered on the NHS.

But "the dogs" (an extension of your consumer choices), but the bikes (ditto), but I want more refinement, power, towing capacity or a trim spec that's only available up-range (ditto, ditto, ditto & ditto.) These are all reasonable wants and typically a larger car is implied to realise them, but part of the buying decision is realising the QPQ that goes with it. I quite fancy an S-Class and might go that way in the next couple of new-car cycles, but I don't kid myself that the footprint of the thing will be quite frequently be a pain!


MC Bodge

21,632 posts

176 months

Monday 4th September 2023
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As pointed out earlier in the thread, my Mk5 Mondeo and the Mk4 before it, are a bit of a pain to park at times and not all parking spaces are suitable, especially if other vehicles are not parked centrally in their spaces.

My family are slim, so we can squeeze through narrow gaps (We can also all bend down and stand up without grunting).

Unless I need the bigger car, I use our Fiesta.

Ps. I can of course parallel park on a street like a champion, but a smaller car is easier to find a space for.

Magikarp

777 posts

49 months

Monday 4th September 2023
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Its Just Adz said:
We went into a small car park in St Ives a few weeks ago and found the last space. In the 2 spaces by the side were a Transit and a VW T5 camper. We were in a Range Rover Sport.
It was ridiculously tight.
You'll not get much sympathy from the locals driving any of that filth down here.