150 cars too big for modern parking spaces

150 cars too big for modern parking spaces

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FlyingPanda

451 posts

91 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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As I regularly have to park in 1960's multi storey car parks when visiting clients I found that the (not outrageously huge) BMW 5 Series was simply too big for most spaces, and getting in through the pointlessly-high kerbs without scraping a diamond-cut rim was another layer of stress I didn't need, so I 'downsized' to a 3 series and even that's still pretty tight.

First trip I did some clown scraped my rear wing in a multi storey in York. As others have said, I would happily pay a premium for a bit more space, but I can't see that ever becoming an option.


LunarOne

5,337 posts

138 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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rodericb said:
Man, what is it with you lot? Tiny garages, roads with width restricting devices (wow, what a thread that was) and now tiny carparks hehe
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.

LunarOne

5,337 posts

138 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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philrs03 said:
Baldchap said:
The USA has different emissions and pedestrian safety regulations for 'Light Trucks', so where cars were heavily legislated against, LTs were not. Hence the rise of the SUV, which like every other ridiculous American nonsense, immediately took over the world as fashionable and here we are in a world where the Fiesta and Focus are discontinued yet ugly, heavy, high versions of the same are selling like hotcakes.

We need to legislate a maximum size for passenger cars, as the latest batch of Q7/XWhatever are just far too big.

We do not have the space or infrastructure found in the USA so let's stop driving their stupid vehicles.
Legislate the size of SUV’s……. Have you ever heard of George Orwell? What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Your car is a piece of personal property which you are using to help you get around more easily and conveniently. But it's still a very large piece of personal property which towns and cities and landowners are expected to store for you when you're not using it. But we've got used to this way of doing things because it makes life very convenient. But why should others bear the brunt of you deciding to bring your unnecessarily large piece of property to their car park? No, I think it's very reasonable that size limits can and should be set by councils and landowners on which you want to stash your private property. Make exemptions for people with large numbers of children or for disabled users.

philrs03

106 posts

97 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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LunarOne said:
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Your car is a piece of personal property which you are using to help you get around more easily and conveniently. But it's still a very large piece of personal property which towns and cities and landowners are expected to store for you when you're not using it. But we've got used to this way of doing things because it makes life very convenient. But why should others bear the brunt of you deciding to bring your unnecessarily large piece of property to their car park? No, I think it's very reasonable that size limits can and should be set by councils and landowners on which you want to stash your private property. Make exemptions for people with large numbers of children or for disabled users.
The only thing that needs to be legislated in todays society is what the military calls “Rule number one- Don’t be a ****”.

I drive a Defender, if I see a space that’s clearly too small, or it will inconvenience people, I don’t park in it. If society abided by rule one as a whole, and stopped asking the government to legislate everything that people take a dislike to then the world would be a better place.

I’m already forced to fork over half my salary to the government and councils to pay for “services” or some arbitrary new control measure they want to impose on me this week. Having someone tell me what car I can and can’t drive? Or buy with money that IVE earned? Do one.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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LunarOne said:
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.
Lots of people obviously require these massive cars to compensate for having something else that is tiny.

Don't get me started on the number of people who buy these cars and clearly have no skill to actually drive them. Staying within the white lines on a motorway, going around a corner and staying in the correct lane or even pulling into a side road without cutting the corner seem impossible skills for a lot of people.

No wonder cars have to be fitted with lane departure warning by default now.

captain_cynic

12,159 posts

96 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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BoRED S2upid said:
Great idea to have extra large spaces just for these crazy big SUVs and charge them double but no doubt they would try and squeeze into the normal sized bays to save a few quid.
You could give them SUV sized spaces but they'll just keep doing what they're already doing... Parking badly so that they take up 2 or 3 normal sized spaces.

captain_cynic

12,159 posts

96 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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philrs03 said:
Legislate the size of SUV’s……. Have you ever heard of George Orwell? What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
I take it you've never read Orwell.

I can't remember the size of cars being mentioned in either Nineteen Eighty-Four or Animal Farm.

Besides, over-regulation is more of a Huxley theme, even then we're drawing a very long now.

Blib

44,304 posts

198 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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philrs03 said:
Legislate the size of SUV’s……. Have you ever heard of George Orwell? What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

Mr-B

3,790 posts

195 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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I saw an Austin Maxi on the road yesterday and always remembered them as being a fairly large car when I was a kid but it looks pretty small by todays standards. It's the width that is the main problem I wouldn't mind if legislation came in to limit maximum width for a passenger car that required an extra classification on your licence to be able to drive an "extra large one" a bit like max weight.

PastelNata

4,417 posts

201 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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LunarOne said:
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.
Yes and for this reason Private car ownership needs to ultimately be banned. It is inevitable that it has to happen one day in the future.

The road network and related infrastructure will eventually not cope - it is under severe stress already - and when that happens, people will be forced to give up their cars and move to Public and Shared transport. To make that 'fair', all Private will have to be banned.

Just as EV is now killing off ICE, infrastructure will eventually lead to Private ownership being killed off too.

Enjoy it all while you can.

Sporky

6,422 posts

65 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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My car is wider than it is tall, so I simply park it on its side.

LunarOne

5,337 posts

138 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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PastelNata said:
LunarOne said:
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.
Yes and for this reason Private car ownership needs to ultimately be banned. It is inevitable that it has to happen one day in the future.

The road network and related infrastructure will eventually not cope - it is under severe stress already - and when that happens, people will be forced to give up their cars and move to Public and Shared transport. To make that 'fair', all Private will have to be banned.

Just as EV is now killing off ICE, infrastructure will eventually lead to Private ownership being killed off too.

Enjoy it all while you can.
That makes no sense, because there are so many use cases where public and shared transport systems do not and cannot work. Transport services, agriculture, utilities, disabled, social care, rescue services, etc etc. The list goes on.

The easiest way to control the growth of private traffic is to make the driving test MUCH harder to pass. More than 3 minors results in a fail. Add in 90-minute written exam. Make it much more like obtaining a pilot's licence. Those who need licences will invest the time needed to make it happen. Those who care more about their Instagram life will decide that shared transport fits the bill better. The oldest licenced drivers will start dying off, and within 10-15 years the problem will be solved.

Seesure

1,188 posts

240 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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philrs03 said:
The only thing that needs to be legislated in todays society is what the military calls “Rule number one- Don’t be a ****”.

I drive a Defender, if I see a space that’s clearly too small, or it will inconvenience people, I don’t park in it. If society abided by rule one as a whole, and stopped asking the government to legislate everything that people take a dislike to then the world would be a better place.
Sadly too many of our society think they are something special and do act like ****s, they don't have the brainpower to realise they are the problem...


philrs03

106 posts

97 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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PastelNata said:
Yes and for this reason Private car ownership needs to ultimately be banned. It is inevitable that it has to happen one day in the future.

The road network and related infrastructure will eventually not cope - it is under severe stress already - and when that happens, people will be forced to give up their cars and move to Public and Shared transport. To make that 'fair', all Private will have to be banned.

Just as EV is now killing off ICE, infrastructure will eventually lead to Private ownership being killed off too.

Enjoy it all while you can.
It’s absolutely terrifying that people that think like you are allowed the vote.

gazza285

9,838 posts

209 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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LunarOne said:
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.
Your bit might be, but most of the country is not heavily populated.

mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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FourWheelDrift said:
1 Make the spaces bigger - they won't do that if it's a pay car park (less revenue)

2 Make the cars smaller - manufacturers won't like that because they won't be able to charge inflated prices for larger vehicles that make people they think they are buying more for their money.

3 Put sliding doors on all new vehicles.
There's definitely scope for more cleverness in door design, e.g the Renault Avantime design from a couple decades ago.

The longer doors on coupe body styles make life hard enough already.

RB Will

9,671 posts

241 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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Gotta laugh a little that just about every poster moaning about people having massive SUVs either have an SUV/ crossover listed in their garage or currently / previously owned a normal car that is longer / wider / heavier than a lot of SUVs, way bigger and heavier than my wife's SUV/crossover hehe
One of them being wider, only a handspan shorter and very nearly as hefty as my full size American pickup truck hehe

LunarOne

5,337 posts

138 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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gazza285 said:
LunarOne said:
Our country is tiny and there are far too many people living in it.
Your bit might be, but most of the country is not heavily populated.
According to these UN figures from 2021, the UK is the 51st most densely populated country in the world, and the 3rd most densely populated in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium, both of which are about 1/10th the size of the UK in area. Here's a list of European countries with a sprinkling of other large or developed countries for comparison. The world average is 60 people per km²

World Ranking Country/Territory Persons per km² Population (2021) Continent
25 Republic of Korea 527.7 51,305,184 Asia
26 Netherlands 509.3 17,173,094 Europe
34 Belgium 384.2 11,632,334 Europe
39 Japan 345.8 126,050,796 Asia
51 United Kingdom 281.9 68,207,114 Europe
61 Germany 240.7 83,900,471 Europe
68 Switzerland 220.6 8,715,494 Europe
74 Italy 205.2 60,367,471 Europe
81 China 153.8 1,444,216,102 Asia
88 Czechia 138.8 10,724,553 Europe
89 Denmark 137 5,813,302 Europe
90 Thailand 136.9 69,950,844 Asia
95 Poland 123.4 37,797,000 Europe
98 France 119.5 65,426,177 Europe
103 Portugal 111 10,167,923 Europe
106 Austria 109.7 9,043,072 Europe
108 Cuba 106.3 11,317,498 North America
121 Spain 93.72 46,745,211 Europe
129 Romania 83.1 19,127,772 Europe
138 Ukraine 75.03 43,466,822 Europe
140 Croatia 72.94 4,081,657 Europe
141 Ireland 72.33 4,982,904 Europe
149 Mexico 67.01 130,262,220 North America
163 South Africa 49.5 60,041,996 Africa
177 United States of America 36.39 332,915,074 North America
183 Estonia 31.26 1,325,188 Europe
188 Chile 25.84 19,212,362 South America
190 Brazil 25.6 213,993,441 South America
195 Sweden 24.76 10,160,159 Europe
203 Finland 18.26 5,548,361 Europe
208 Argentina 16.66 45,605,823 South America
213 Norway 14.96 5,465,629 Europe
217 Russian Federation 8.91 145,912,022 Europe
229 Iceland 3.425 343,360 Europe
World 60.53 7,874,965,732


Edited by LunarOne on Tuesday 29th August 14:38

LimaDelta

6,535 posts

219 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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Surely all the PBDs with large cars/SUVs can simply use a second smaller car when venturing into the cities, or anywhere else which requires bay-parking?

Jawls

659 posts

52 months

Tuesday 29th August 2023
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This is one of the things I really like about my shed i10 (the first generation, so it’s tiny!). One of the few really quite small cars.