150 cars too big for modern parking spaces

150 cars too big for modern parking spaces

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DonkeyApple

55,569 posts

170 months

Friday 19th April
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lancslad58 said:
CrgT16 said:
vikingaero said:
And indeed they have. More and more car parks have the double lines between spaces allowing for a few inches of extra room I quite like Q-Parks - bright, clean, modern and wider lanes to drive around and enter/exit. Sure the older car parks are tight, but do you really expect them to be demolished and rebuilt just for you?! When I visit towns and cities I use something called The Internet to check out a few car parks nar my destination Try it, it's newfangled! biggrin
Aren't you the cclever one, you do realise not all images r updated every day..

When does Google Maps update satellite images

Satellite images are updated according to how often they change. For example, more frequently changed areas (cities, metropolitan areas) are updated every month. Accordingly, unpopular places will keep the same view for months or even years. This trend is applicable to Google Earth and Google Maps in Satellite view mode.

So the quick answer is: Satellite view maps are updated every one month to 10 years (according to Google Earth and Maps user reviews). There are a lot of factors that affect the frequency of updates.
If we've reached the point that blokes are actually calling up satellite images of car parks before going shopping then I think we've probably reached the point where we need to start the cull. biggrin

Just buy the right tool for the job or pay someone else to do the job.

It's like the chap on another thread who always buys 3 Series BMWs but has found that the latest one doesn't fit so well through London width restrictions or side lanes that are 6'6" so wants these objects moved rather than realising that he's made the mistake of buying a car that is too large for his requirements. Seeing as the 1 Series is now the size of the older 3 then very obviously if you have a need to fit through 6'6" gaps at a certain speed then you need to buy a 1 series not a 3 series which is now the width of an old 5 series which you were never going to buy because it was too wide for your needs.

It's the same with the folk who buy a 2m wide car but blame their parking problem on the 2m wide car they're trying to park next to on the grounds that that 2m wide car is taller which is what is taking up the space or more commonly statistically being driven by someone they don't approve of like a foreign type or one of those women who have the audacity to drive a nice car without their permission as the man.

Vans are ok. They're tall which is usually the real problem when it comes to taking up space in a parking bay as we all know but because the driver is a lessor man due to the nature of his manual labour job then this makes vans narrower so not the same issue as SUVs at all.

But the key is to just try and use the correct tool for the job as much as possible.

durbster

10,291 posts

223 months

Friday 19th April
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There is a bit of a romantic notion that cars used to be the perfect size and it's a bad thing they've got bigger, but that's obviously nonsense. I visited the the Haynes Museum last week and even without the safety argument, a lot of the older cars were just too small to make them a nice place to be.

I need a decent sized car because I sometimes have to carry 4 adults, 1 teenager, 1 dog, and all associated luggage, but because I live in the UK, I don't want something so long or wide that it'll be annoying to use.

It's annoying because it can rule out loads of interesting cars.

I quite fancied an Infiniti QX70 a few years back and the main thing that put me off was that it felt too big for UK roads. After that I found myself getting car dimensions from Parkers and putting them into a spreadsheet. nerd

My car's around 4.8m long and 1.9m wide and that feels around the threshold where it starts to become an issue. I dunno how people with 2m+ wide cars can get kids out in a busy car park - do you just unload everyone before you park?

DonkeyApple

55,569 posts

170 months

Friday 19th April
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durbster said:
There is a bit of a romantic notion that cars used to be the perfect size and it's a bad thing they've got bigger, but that's obviously nonsense. I visited the the Haynes Museum last week and even without the safety argument, a lot of the older cars were just too small to make them a nice place to be.

I need a decent sized car because I sometimes have to carry 4 adults, 1 teenager, 1 dog, and all associated luggage, but because I live in the UK, I don't want something so long or wide that it'll be annoying to use.

It's annoying because it can rule out loads of interesting cars.

I quite fancied an Infiniti QX70 a few years back and the main thing that put me off was that it felt too big for UK roads. After that I found myself getting car dimensions from Parkers and putting them into a spreadsheet. nerd

My car's around 4.8m long and 1.9m wide and that feels around the threshold where it starts to become an issue. I dunno how people with 2m+ wide cars can get kids out in a busy car park - do you just unload everyone before you park?
I think that one of the other issues is also that when you go looking for an everyday car that's generally a bit smaller the interiors are quite a bit cheaper than the next model up. BMW weren't too bad for this but Merc used to be horrendous, there was a real quality cliff edge at one point between their hatchback segment and the family car one.


Baldchap

7,701 posts

93 months

Friday 19th April
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philrs03 said:
Having someone tell me what car I can and can’t drive? Or buy with money that IVE earned? Do one.
This already happens. laugh

There's tons of legislation governing what can and can't be sold here.

durbster

10,291 posts

223 months

Friday 19th April
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DonkeyApple said:
durbster said:
...I need a decent sized car because I sometimes have to carry 4 adults, 1 teenager, 1 dog, and all associated luggage, but because I live in the UK, I don't want something so long or wide that it'll be annoying to use.

It's annoying because it can rule out loads of interesting cars.
I think that one of the other issues is also that when you go looking for an everyday car that's generally a bit smaller the interiors are quite a bit cheaper than the next model up. BMW weren't too bad for this but Merc used to be horrendous, there was a real quality cliff edge at one point between their hatchback segment and the family car one.
Yeah that's what I found. My target for my current car was something that'd be good for long road trips so I wanted a bit of luxury, and that pretty much locks you into having a MASSIVE car. I get the size is part of the luxury equation but surely there's a way to compromise.

The one that surprised me most was the Porsche Macan. It's theoretically a mid-sized SUV but even that is over 2 metres wide.

RizzoTheRat

25,218 posts

193 months

Friday 19th April
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durbster said:
. After that I found myself getting car dimensions from Parkers and putting them into a spreadsheet. nerd
Glad I'm no the only one biggrin

I have a Mk2 Octavia. The current Octavia is 6cm wider, not a huge amount but there's plenty of space in the Mk2, has side impact safety really improved that much?

I test drove an XC60 and its 11 cm wider than the previous model, and 13cm wider than my current Octavia. Sadly this means my wife will curb it several times and probably scrape the side on the garage door frame so that's out of the running frown

Nomme de Plum

4,671 posts

17 months

Friday 19th April
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durbster said:
There is a bit of a romantic notion that cars used to be the perfect size and it's a bad thing they've got bigger, but that's obviously nonsense. I visited the the Haynes Museum last week and even without the safety argument, a lot of the older cars were just too small to make them a nice place to be.

I need a decent sized car because I sometimes have to carry 4 adults, 1 teenager, 1 dog, and all associated luggage, but because I live in the UK, I don't want something so long or wide that it'll be annoying to use.

It's annoying because it can rule out loads of interesting cars.

I quite fancied an Infiniti QX70 a few years back and the main thing that put me off was that it felt too big for UK roads. After that I found myself getting car dimensions from Parkers and putting them into a spreadsheet. nerd

My car's around 4.8m long and 1.9m wide and that feels around the threshold where it starts to become an issue. I dunno how people with 2m+ wide cars can get kids out in a busy car park - do you just unload everyone before you park?
The cars in the 50s, 60s 70s and onward were all designed to fit people whether it was Ford Cortina, Ford Escort, Austin 1100, Austin Allegro Austin 1800 or other manufactures equivalents. Families did pretty much the same sort of thing. Shopping, holidays, carrying mates to the rugby or whatever. We had pets too.

To think that manufacturers built cars too small for their passengers would be rather odd.

We were however in the main slim. At the age of 18 I was 180cm and 65kg which has now increased to low 70s. My Dad was even slimmer and their friends were all similar. This was typical of the 60s.

The main failings with these cars were that in a crash the occupants tended to get seriously injured or killed so now we have demanded vehicles that accommodate crash structures , crumple zones, side protection air bags etc etc and an internal size that accommodates a populous who are, even if not clinically obese, much larger than we were. I think there is evidence of people becoming slightly taller as well.



ThingsBehindTheSun

171 posts

32 months

Friday 19th April
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It's not just car parks, a lot of the drivers of these cars can't even manage to pull into a side road without cutting the corner or ending up on the wrong side of the road.

I had one recently, as I was approaching the end of the road a big SUV did a left into the road and drove on the wrong side of the road forcing me to stop. I raised my arms in a "WTF" gesture and the driver pulled alongside and wound down his window.

I calmed suggested to the driver that if he didn't drive such a massive car he might have been able to make the corner and in reply he called me "a bellend". This just sums up the type of people who drive these cars. No regard for any other road users and when someone gets upset because they are forced off the road by these bullies they are "bellends". Selfish people overcompensating for something who think they are always in the right and that anyone who drives a smaller car than them is unimportant.

DonkeyApple

55,569 posts

170 months

Friday 19th April
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durbster said:
Yeah that's what I found. My target for my current car was something that'd be good for long road trips so I wanted a bit of luxury, and that pretty much locks you into having a MASSIVE car. I get the size is part of the luxury equation but surely there's a way to compromise.

The one that surprised me most was the Porsche Macan. It's theoretically a mid-sized SUV but even that is over 2 metres wide.
I grabbed an old shape Audi S4 estate recently. It's nice and small, width wise, compared to the latest model and the 3 series and has a nice enough cabin. So far very happy with it as a utility wagon for central London and country lanes along with the motorways inbetween.

The Macan, while very nice suffers from the same issue as the Evoque in that it's a relatively small cabin for the actual width of the vehicle. I know I'd end up just getting the Cayenne instead.

-Lummox-

1,295 posts

214 months

Friday 19th April
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Surely part of the problem these days is the car maufacturers themselves pushing SUVs as the right choice for every situation because they can make the most profit from them? Not to mention people buying into that aspirational BS?

Don't get me wrong, SUVs can be the right choice for the right environment, but probably not for most people living in the middle of a big town or city, or conversely living in a very old one with narrow streets and limited parking.

I find it odd that people in this country in the main seem to be snobby about MPVs (especially compact ones) and avoid them like the plague, when they would fulfil many of the reasons people state for buying a massive SUV they intend to pootle around town in.

durbster

10,291 posts

223 months

Friday 19th April
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-Lummox- said:
Surely part of the problem these days is the car maufacturers themselves pushing SUVs as the right choice for every situation because they can make the most profit from them? Not to mention people buying into that aspirational BS?

Don't get me wrong, SUVs can be the right choice for the right environment, but probably not for most people living in the middle of a big town or city, or conversely living in a very old one with narrow streets and limited parking.

I find it odd that people in this country in the main seem to be snobby about MPVs (especially compact ones) and avoid them like the plague, when they would fulfil many of the reasons people state for buying a massive SUV they intend to pootle around town in.
I don't think it's an SUV thing. Doesn't pretty much every SUV have the same footprint as its equivalent hatch, saloon or estate?

DonkeyApple

55,569 posts

170 months

Friday 19th April
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-Lummox- said:
Surely part of the problem these days is the car maufacturers themselves pushing SUVs as the right choice for every situation because they can make the most profit from them? Not to mention people buying into that aspirational BS?

Don't get me wrong, SUVs can be the right choice for the right environment, but probably not for most people living in the middle of a big town or city, or conversely living in a very old one with narrow streets and limited parking.

I find it odd that people in this country in the main seem to be snobby about MPVs (especially compact ones) and avoid them like the plague, when they would fulfil many of the reasons people state for buying a massive SUV they intend to pootle around town in.
Is the height of the car the issue? wink

Pit Pony

8,713 posts

122 months

Friday 19th April
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There's 3 spaces in our local pay and display, that you could get 5 cars into. The other 2 spaces have cars in them.



But at work, there's a few entitled pricks

georgeyboy12345

3,539 posts

36 months

Friday 19th April
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If I were designing a city car park, the lower levels would have wider spaces with a higher tariff, then width restrictors leading to the upper levels, say 2.1 m wide, that only smaller vehicles can access where they pay the lower parking tariff.

DonkeyApple

55,569 posts

170 months

Friday 19th April
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georgeyboy12345 said:
If I were designing a city car park, the lower levels would have wider spaces with a higher tariff, then width restrictors leading to the upper levels, say 2.1 m wide, that only smaller vehicles can access where they pay the lower parking tariff.
That would just render the car park inoperable given that every second car attempting to get to the cheap seats would be getting stuck in the width restrictions biggrin