Which car has the greatest range?

Which car has the greatest range?

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Byker28i

60,149 posts

218 months

Monday 22nd April
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bristolracer said:
Cars that have the highest mpg often have the smallest tanks.
One of those Skoda 3 cylinder diesel Fabia jobs with a Mercedes size tank would surely win?
We have a 1.6D Seat Laon, does 50mph at 80mph cruise, great on the continent, does even more if run down around 70, but only has a 50litre tank. 600 miles isn't unusual.

sparkyhx

4,152 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd April
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I never cease to be amazed at my BMW 435d xdrive auto, doing over 600 a tank - real life, Ive done 595 when the warning light came on so probably 650ish. Bearing in mind it only has a 60 litre tank and it is 300+BHP and capable for sub 5 sec 0-60.

Over the past 9000 miles it has averaged 41mpg motorway, local and hooning. I'm more than happy and more than impressed.

Honesh John MPG ( https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/real-mpg/ ) says 40.3 - which ties in quite closely to my experience.

This is a good site to 'level' peoples experience over the manufacturers headline values.

so called

9,090 posts

210 months

Monday 22nd April
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I used to drive the 750 miles from my home in the UK to my apartment in northern Germany in My MB CLS320 on a single tank.

politeperson

542 posts

182 months

Monday 22nd April
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We have done over 350,000 miles in Mercedes V6 E320/E350 diesels over the last 20 years, they all seem to have averaged out at 42 mpg/600 miles on a tank. The last one was a 2018 E350 CDI that was very frugal in relation to its performance.

I replaced that with a 2023 Mercedes E300 Diesel hybrid estate that might? have a 2l diesel. That seems to be doing 57 mpg/750 miles on a tank and feels quicker that the E350. It is good but I wonder about its complexity and therefore its future reliability.

I would be interested to put a basic E220d estate next to a hybrid E300d estate (same engine I think) to see if one is more economical than the other. I suspect the old fashioned non-hybrid car is probably better on fuel over a long journey. The hybrid has to carry around a heavy motor and battery after all.

I suspect "Peak Car" will be looked on as the old fashioned 2.0l turbo diesels as fitted to everything Audi/BMW/VW from around 2000 to 2015 without all the hybrid malarky added.

Having run most variations ie A3/A6/Passat/Golf/320/520, they all had a great blend of range, power, torque, economy and reliability.

Their demise will be greatly lamented.

Dapster

6,968 posts

181 months

Monday 22nd April
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On safari in Tanzania, our chariot was a mid 90's J80 Land Cruiser. I asked the driver why it took so long to fill up and he said because they had custom made range extension tanks that took about 60 gallons! There's your 1,000 mile range right there!

Ultra long range is all very interesting but academic unless you have a rotation of 3 drivers and are prepared to wee out of the window.

DaveCWK

1,996 posts

175 months

Monday 22nd April
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One of the larger VAG cars (so larger tank) with the old PD diesel has to be a good bet.

cerb4.5lee

30,734 posts

181 months

Monday 22nd April
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The best I've seen was 775 miles from the 2022 Merc GLE400d(3.0 straight 6 twin turbo diesel). It does have a 85 litre tank though, so that helps.



Baldchap

7,672 posts

93 months

Monday 22nd April
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biggbn said:
Baldchap said:
GT9 said:
Seems like Merc have this one sewn up...819 miles range without a drop of diesel in sight.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/m...

"Mercedes says the 8.4 miles per kWh average is equivalent to 282mpg in a petrol-fuelled vehicle."
Doing 40mph in Africa. Impressive but not indicative, really.

Wonder what it does doing NSL @ 3°C on a dark February morning in Daventry?
Uphill, pulling a horsebox...?
18 miles to school in t'snow, I tell you! :rules:

You get my point though. Nobody who buys one will ever see the 800-odd miles that Merc got in the African heat doing 40mph. laugh

GT9

6,672 posts

173 months

Monday 22nd April
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Baldchap said:
GT9 said:
Seems like Merc have this one sewn up...819 miles range without a drop of diesel in sight.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/m...

"Mercedes says the 8.4 miles per kWh average is equivalent to 282mpg in a petrol-fuelled vehicle."
Doing 40mph in Africa. Impressive but not indicative, really.

Wonder what it does doing NSL @ 3°C on a dark February morning in Daventry?
Seeing as you asked.
The original 1000 km journey was from Stuttgart to Nice through the Alps in April via motorways and regular roads at regular speeds.
Temperatures ranged from 3 to 18 degrees, increasing as they went south.
The car averaged 54mph over 626 miles and had 87 miles range left when it arrived.
Some sections it was cruising at 85 mph, so it wasn't hypermiling is any sense of the word.
The consumption was better than 7 miles per kWh (280 mpg) and the range was 700 miles+.
That was its maiden journey, there was no practice run.
There was a second summer run from Stuttgart to Silverstone, 750 miles on a single 100 kWh charge with the aircon on most of the time.
100 kWh is the same energy contained in 10 litres of diesel...
Impressive is an understatement in my view.


Edited by GT9 on Monday 22 April 18:53

biggbn

23,446 posts

221 months

Monday 22nd April
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I'm thinking some highly tuned v8 might have the best range, all the way from a lumpy bass beat at tickover through a more cultured mid range bellow to a high revs symphonic scream....oh, wait, not THAT kind of range....

Wills2

22,878 posts

176 months

Monday 22nd April
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My mild hybrid 730d has a good range, a few weeks ago I averaged 64mpg on a run to the coast, giving a max range of 1110 miles from the 78l tank (that was in comfort plus mode not eco pro which is hateful), Joe Achillies on youtube did a run in his 730d to Madrid and got 1100 miles out of one tank so it's possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tisMPZeCHzI



Edited by Wills2 on Monday 22 April 19:36

CraigyMc

16,423 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd April
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The E90-era BMW 320d EfficientDynamics has extraordinary range for the type of car it is. For the uninitiated, it's a 320d with the same type of motor (N47) as the 184bhp version, but with the fuelling and boost clipped at 3250rpm so it makes a peak of 163bhp but still 380nm of torque, leading to a cycle-beating CO2 figure of 109g. It has the final drive from the big petrol cars (335), so has interstellar-length gear ratios, and it runs on 16" wheels with non-runflat eco tyres from the factory, suspension ride-height 15mm lower than standard, but the same stiffness as the SE model (so, actually quite soft).

In combination, the lower drag from the wheels/tyres, and the lower aero drag from being lowered means that the car has very nearly the same top speed as the 184bhp 320d it's based on, despite the missing 21bhp - there's only 3mph in it. Given the lower drag, I think it's reasonable to surmise that with the regular 184bhp motor it'd actually be the faster car.

The owner's handbook says it has a 61 litre tank but it's got to be more like 66l based on the fact I've put 65.something litres into one.

At a steady 70mph (74-indicated on dash, 70mph on GPS) it'll typically do about 70mpg, which is about 1000 miles, in about 14-15 hours.
If you were willing to drive at 57mph indicated, 54mph GPS, that would equate to around 84mpg, 1200 miles in about 22-23 hours.
Both of those would need the weather to be dry and warm.

I've done the former mode of driving of these from MK to Munich in one hop, with just a stop for the tunnel. That's about 750 miles, the car was showing about a third of a tank left when I arrived. The fact it'll lug itself from 0-60 in about 8s and do 143mph means it's got quite a wide range of ability; it's not like you're doing 140mph every day but it does show how far within itself 100mph on the continent actually is.

This stuff has been discussed before over here if you care to peruse. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

CraigyMc

16,423 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd April
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GT9 said:
Seems like Merc have this one sewn up...819 miles range without a drop of diesel in sight.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/m...

"Mercedes says the 8.4 miles per kWh average is equivalent to 282mpg in a petrol-fuelled vehicle."
Oh look, it's PH's equivalent of a door-to-door religion salesbod in EV evangelist format.

Would you like to talk about the book of deuteronomy again?

GT9

6,672 posts

173 months

Monday 22nd April
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CraigyMc said:
Oh look, it's PH's equivalent of a door-to-door religion salesbod in EV evangelist format.

Would you like to talk about the book of deuteronomy again?
You're right.
The EQXX is an incredibly inconvenient car for those who like to blather on about 'weight' and 'range' and diesel supremacy.
Best play the man.

ChocolateFrog

25,471 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Purosangue said:
ChocolateFrog said:
A diesel Landcruiser with a 160 litre extended range tank is probably close to the real answer.
we used armoured LC in Iraq they weighed in over 3 tons V8 , I think the tanks were over 80 litres they ran around 10mpg from record
Yeah I was thinking 100 Series with the diesel where low 20's should be entirely possible.

I've heard of people getting 1600 miles out of them.

bodhi

10,545 posts

230 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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GT9 said:
Seems like Merc have this one sewn up...819 miles range without a drop of diesel in sight.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/m...

"Mercedes says the 8.4 miles per kWh average is equivalent to 282mpg in a petrol-fuelled vehicle."
So up to 300 miles less than some of the diesel barges mentioned then.

Very strange definition of "sewn up" but it takes all sorts I guess.

ChocolateFrog

25,471 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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GT9 said:
Seems like Merc have this one sewn up...819 miles range without a drop of diesel in sight.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/m...

"Mercedes says the 8.4 miles per kWh average is equivalent to 282mpg in a petrol-fuelled vehicle."
As much as I like EVs. Not really fair comparing a car you can't buy with a 10 year old estate.

If we're doing that then I was getting 4000mpg at Silverstone in the 90's with my school.

MustangGT

11,641 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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cerb4.5lee said:
The best I've seen was 775 miles from the 2022 Merc GLE400d(3.0 straight 6 twin turbo diesel). It does have a 85 litre tank though, so that helps.

I have a GLE 250d (2.1 not 2.0) and when I fill it it shows about 830 miles. Motorway cruising returns about 43 mpg, same tank as yours.

ChocolateFrog

25,471 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Wills2 said:
My mild hybrid 730d has a good range, a few weeks ago I averaged 64mpg on a run to the coast, giving a max range of 1110 miles from the 78l tank (that was in comfort plus mode not eco pro which is hateful), Joe Achillies on youtube did a run in his 730d to Madrid and got 1100 miles out of one tank so it's possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tisMPZeCHzI



Edited by Wills2 on Monday 22 April 19:36
That's got to be in for a shout.

Wonder if any of the economical big boys have a 100 litre tank as standard? That would be well over 1600 miles at that sort of economy.

daytona111r

773 posts

205 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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I’m happy if I get 160 miles from a full tank.