RE: New Tesla Model 3 Performance gets 510hp
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Nomme de Plum said:
I know i do.
I just wonder what your understanding is in relation to decarbonisation, reduction of pollution CO2 and Nox and renewable energy which one can argue is the aim of achieving a move to a more circular economy.
ICEs are defiantly not. Once burnt their fuels add to pollution and specific entropy.
So you 'know' or you don't? I just wonder what your understanding is in relation to decarbonisation, reduction of pollution CO2 and Nox and renewable energy which one can argue is the aim of achieving a move to a more circular economy.
ICEs are defiantly not. Once burnt their fuels add to pollution and specific entropy.
Reading that word salad above isn't what I was talking about.
the internet said:
What are the 3 principles of circular economy?
It is based on three principles, driven by design: eliminate waste and pollution, circulate products and materials (at their highest value), and regenerate nature. is a resilient system that is good for business, people, and the environment.
Your 'take' on EV's saving the environment is quite wide of the mark. So many bigger problems, even bigger than your personal crusade against micro-rubber from tyres It is based on three principles, driven by design: eliminate waste and pollution, circulate products and materials (at their highest value), and regenerate nature. is a resilient system that is good for business, people, and the environment.
carlo996 said:
The point I was making was that you have a biased view of EV whilst not really understanding the wider circular economy 
For what it's worth, I genuinely don't think I have a biased view towards EV.I've posted so many times about how my perspective arose over a lengthy timeframe from seeing the ever increasing threat to petrol cars, predominantly from diesel.
If I have a strong bias, it's against diesel.
I have always been vocally opposed to the use of it in passenger cars, going back to the 1990s.
Obviously I can't really prove any of that, but what I have done is to post over the last decade at least how the situation we increasingly find ourselves in, with ULEZ and other low emission zones, reducing speed limits, health concerns about the effect on children and adults, links to cancer and respiratory disease, etc, are mainly the result of 'capitulating' to the use of diesel in cars.
The UK's current consumption of diesel is twice that of petrol, it's simply way too high, and whilst it makes sense for some vehicles and craft, adding 10 million or so oil burners in our cars was a massive mistake.
The question I try to address in my posting is how to go about replacing those cars.
Maybe you think it's naive to envisage using EVs to do that.
Maybe it is, but I don't see the harm in striving for ambitious targets, targets that IMO are not impossible to achieve.
We've got about 20 million petrol cars, plenty for everyone, and over the next decade or more I don't think that number will reduce at all, although obviously some pure ICE petrols will become hybrids.
Where exactly is the issue then?
Sure, some people will respond immediately by saying what is stopping EV from also being a massive mistake.
It's not a simple question to answer, and hopefully I can lay claim to at least attempting to do so over the course of hundreds if not thousands of posts.
I won't attempt to do it again here, it would be a waste of everyone's time, especially mine.
What I, will say is that I, and others, working in the field of combustion and powertrains, knew diesel was a mistake at the beginning of the transition into passenger cars.
I believe that if EVs are to be mistake, we would already know what the underlying reasons are.
I'm yet to hear anyone put a cohesive argument that stands up to expert scrutiny that shows this to be the case.
Until that time, I will continue to support them as an environmentally sound replacement for end-of-life diesel cars, and yes, eventually, they will most likely take over from most petrol cars.
But not any time soon, and not in a timeframe to be losing out s
t over right now.carlo996 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Some of us when we were working determined what the 'free thing' was.
Personally I'd have chosen a Tesla 3P or base Taycan so still odd you chose the i3.
For me in the UK the i3s is perfect for my needs and cheap to run and insure.
These are cars which are hanging around, probably purchased on the whims of folk like you, now, just pool cars...you are familiar with the concept?Personally I'd have chosen a Tesla 3P or base Taycan so still odd you chose the i3.
For me in the UK the i3s is perfect for my needs and cheap to run and insure.
I've never bought anything on a whim btw.
carlo996 said:
Your 'take' on EV's saving the environment is quite wide of the mark. So many bigger problems, even bigger than your personal crusade against micro-rubber from tyres
Google is not your friend as i used to say to me peeps. You need to understand what your are reading and how to understand it. IMO You do not.Nomme de Plum said:
KingGary said:
I disagree, anyone’s opinion is valid and they are entitled to it. I understand you, I am simply disagreeing.
I get that you, Potato head and a few others like EVs, and that’s fine. Why can’t you respect that others on this thread, looking at that same Tesla, think it’s a bit st?
There’s no evidence that preferring EVs makes you smarter and claiming it does, achieves the opposite.
Simply no. Not all opinions are valid. You could opine that if you held your hand over a naked flame it would not get burnt. It's not born out in fact.I get that you, Potato head and a few others like EVs, and that’s fine. Why can’t you respect that others on this thread, looking at that same Tesla, think it’s a bit s
t?There’s no evidence that preferring EVs makes you smarter and claiming it does, achieves the opposite.
No one can deny feelings as they are personal but opinions are tested and proven (validated) or not.
A person that does not try something has no basis for a valid opinion on that thing. Fact.
The intent of this article is to elicit people’s opinion on a new car. It’s nonsense to suggest the people who don’t like it don’t have the right to do so.
KingGary said:
In isolation I’d agree with you, but life is made up of experiences and learning. I don’t need to jump off a building to know it would probably kill me and I don’t need to own a Tesla to know I don’t want one. Opine all you like.
The intent of this article is to elicit people’s opinion on a new car. It’s nonsense to suggest the people who don’t like it don’t have the right to do so.
I think/hope we may have a degree of common ground.The intent of this article is to elicit people’s opinion on a new car. It’s nonsense to suggest the people who don’t like it don’t have the right to do so.
I accept that we have likes and dislikes. But when i go in a restaurant I've never thought I won't like something I've never tried. I accept the item could be challenging in certain countries.
carlo996 said:
Old retired bloke on the internet vs someone employed in the industry.
Good luck Mr Cringe.
If you really are in the automotive industry there are a couple of experts here. However you seem not to like their expertise but without any evidential rebuttal to argue your point. I'd say you're out of your depth. Good luck Mr Cringe.
Nomme de Plum said:
carlo996 said:
Old retired bloke on the internet vs someone employed in the industry.
Good luck Mr Cringe.
If you really are in the automotive industry there are a couple of experts here. However you seem not to like their expertise but without any evidential rebuttal to argue your point. I'd say you're out of your depth. Good luck Mr Cringe.
Nomme de Plum said:
If you really are in the automotive industry there are a couple of experts here. However you seem not to like their expertise but without any evidential rebuttal to argue your point. I'd say you're out of your depth.
Wrong again. Stay retired, you can be all the expert on everything you need to be Captain Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff