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hurstg01 said:
flemke said:
There was a '95 GTR with "Jacadi" livery. It bore a blue that was superficially quite different from this turquoise, although at a deeper level the two colours are akin to each other. It was one of the best-looking GTRs.
Do you see any relationship to this?:
They're both clear but not overly bright blues, both with a bit of green in them, and they both need secondary elements (grey and white in the first, chrome and white in the second) in order to work.
hurstg01 said:
next best GTR livery on your friend's GTR >
It's a great car, but I'm not really a pink kind of guy.flemke said:
hurstg01 said:
flemke said:
There was a '95 GTR with "Jacadi" livery. It bore a blue that was superficially quite different from this turquoise, although at a deeper level the two colours are akin to each other. It was one of the best-looking GTRs.
Flemke, what type rims do you have on your F1? The only picture iv seen of it was the first post on the first volume of this thread.
R5GTTgaz said:
crankshaft said:
Flemke, I was wondering if you are familiar with Gordon Murray's Project T25? If so, what are your thoughts?
I hope it happens - it's almost certainly the only way I'll ever get into a car designed by GM.
Just to add; is it true the T25 won't be out until 2012? I hope it happens - it's almost certainly the only way I'll ever get into a car designed by GM.
Pictures and info from the reception evening (attended by a certain Mr R Atkinson) here:
http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/planet_murray.ht...
Wonder what it might be powered by? Projected 500kg and 92bhp/ton are mentioned. Also: 300mm shorter than a Smart but with 3-4 seats.
Kurtblythman said:
Flemke, what type rims do you have on your F1? The only picture iv seen of it was the first post on the first volume of this thread.
We had a couple of close-up images posted, but they must have been on the predecessor thread.The only thing that I can find on this thread is:
Apart from small details, they're the same as the original road car wheels, in flat black, but with 19" diameter instead of 17".
crankshaft said:
R5GTTgaz said:
crankshaft said:
Flemke, I was wondering if you are familiar with Gordon Murray's Project T25? If so, what are your thoughts?
I hope it happens - it's almost certainly the only way I'll ever get into a car designed by GM.
Just to add; is it true the T25 won't be out until 2012? I hope it happens - it's almost certainly the only way I'll ever get into a car designed by GM.
Pictures and info from the reception evening (attended by a certain Mr R Atkinson) here:
http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/planet_murray.ht...
Wonder what it might be powered by? Projected 500kg and 92bhp/ton are mentioned. Also: 300mm shorter than a Smart but with 3-4 seats.
Flemke, in a previous iteration of this thread, you said regarding driving roads in France/Europe:
Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
flemke said:
...drive from ... Troyes to Dijon to Troyes, back to Dijon (because it was so good the first time), then to Troyes....
Was this road the N71, as I am planning my first European trip, and would like to take in some of the best roads on the way.Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
identti said:
Flemke, in a previous iteration of this thread, you said regarding driving roads in France/Europe:
Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
Robbie,flemke said:
...drive from ... Troyes to Dijon to Troyes, back to Dijon (because it was so good the first time), then to Troyes....
Was this road the N71, as I am planning my first European trip, and would like to take in some of the best roads on the way.Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
Definitely not the N71.
In general, I stay off the "N" roads if I am expecting to do any serious driving. They're the equivalent to fairly mainstream UK "A" roads. As such, they attract the police with their little hair dryers.
I take the D roads whenever possible. The traffic is light, they offer variety (most have decent surfaces, some have fine surfaces, some have irregular surfaces), they offer scenery, you go through nice villages, and you avoid the police (for the most part). They have plenty of bends and elevation changes. In contrast, you will sometimes find an N road that is straight as a string for ten clicks.
I'm looking at my map, which has some markings on it as far south as Dijon-ish.
If I were trying to maximise the interesting driving, I'd start near St Quentin (about midway between Amiens and Reims). North of there is too much congestion for any driving pleasure.
A few miles east of St Q is the D946. You can stay on that for a long way, until you're even with and slightly west of Verdun. At that point you intersect the N3, where you turn R (west) for a few kms until you reach the 982, onto which you turn L (south). Take the 982 to Vitry-le-Francois.
In V-l-F it gets a bit confusing, but you're looking for the 396 south.
Take the 396 south until you are SW of Chaumont. As you intersect the D65, you go onto the 996. You take the 996 for a few clicks until you see the signs for "Recey", which is a few clicks further.
At Recey, take the 959 south until Pontailler-sur-Saone, which is slightly east of Dijon. The 959 is one of the best roads I've ever driven.
The 959 has ended at P-s-S. Now use your sat-nav (
) to travel SE along a bitsy route for maybe 30kms to Mouchard. From Mouchard, take the D72 to Pontarlier. This is another great road.Now that you are nearly in Switzerland, I have no particular recommendations for you. From here you can make your way to Grenoble, from which the Route Napolean begins.
http://www.beyond.fr/map/mpnapol.html
One thing to bear in mind: when you're driving across the mountains, or foothills, your journey times will be much longer than a look at the map might suggest.
Btw, on your return journey, you are intending to stop by the Nordschleife, I hope.
Cheers.
flemke said:
identti said:
Flemke, in a previous iteration of this thread, you said regarding driving roads in France/Europe:
Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
Robbie,flemke said:
...drive from ... Troyes to Dijon to Troyes, back to Dijon (because it was so good the first time), then to Troyes....
Was this road the N71, as I am planning my first European trip, and would like to take in some of the best roads on the way.Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
Definitely not the N71.
In general, I stay off the "N" roads if I am expecting to do any serious driving. They're the equivalent to fairly mainstream UK "A" roads. As such, they attract the police with their little hair dryers.
I take the D roads whenever possible. The traffic is light, they offer variety (most have decent surfaces, some have fine surfaces, some have irregular surfaces), they offer scenery, you go through nice villages, and you avoid the police (for the most part). They have plenty of bends and elevation changes. In contrast, you will sometimes find an N road that is straight as a string for ten clicks.
I'm looking at my map, which has some markings on it as far south as Dijon-ish.
If I were trying to maximise the interesting driving, I'd start near St Quentin (about midway between Amiens and Reims). North of there is too much congestion for any driving pleasure.
A few miles east of St Q is the D946. You can stay on that for a long way, until you're even with and slightly west of Verdun. At that point you intersect the N3, where you turn R (west) for a few kms until you reach the 982, onto which you turn L (south). Take the 982 to Vitry-le-Francois.
In V-l-F it gets a bit confusing, but you're looking for the 396 south.
Take the 396 south until you are SW of Chaumont. As you intersect the D65, you go onto the 996. You take the 996 for a few clicks until you see the signs for "Recey", which is a few clicks further.
At Recey, take the 959 south until Pontailler-sur-Saone, which is slightly east of Dijon. The 959 is one of the best roads I've ever driven.
The 959 has ended at P-s-S. Now use your sat-nav (
) to travel SE along a bitsy route for maybe 30kms to Mouchard. From Mouchard, take the D72 to Pontarlier. This is another great road.Now that you are nearly in Switzerland, I have no particular recommendations for you. From here you can make your way to Grenoble, from which the Route Napolean begins.
http://www.beyond.fr/map/mpnapol.html
One thing to bear in mind: when you're driving across the mountains, or foothills, your journey times will be much longer than a look at the map might suggest.
Btw, on your return journey, you are intending to stop by the Nordschleife, I hope.
Cheers.
I think I'll be making a TomTom itn for that, as i'd like to concentrate on the driving rather than trying not to get lost.
Are there many/any gendarmes with their 'hair driers' (
) on the D roads?identti said:
flemke said:
identti said:
Flemke, in a previous iteration of this thread, you said regarding driving roads in France/Europe:
Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
Robbie,flemke said:
...drive from ... Troyes to Dijon to Troyes, back to Dijon (because it was so good the first time), then to Troyes....
Was this road the N71, as I am planning my first European trip, and would like to take in some of the best roads on the way.Also, I'm thinking of trying the Stelvio, Route Napolean, Col de Turini amongst other roads. Seeing as you have more experience in this matter than I do, could you advise for/against these and any other routes.
Your car is the thing of dreams, although I do want to own one someday as many others do too.
Thanks,
Robbie
Definitely not the N71.
In general, I stay off the "N" roads if I am expecting to do any serious driving. They're the equivalent to fairly mainstream UK "A" roads. As such, they attract the police with their little hair dryers.
I take the D roads whenever possible. The traffic is light, they offer variety (most have decent surfaces, some have fine surfaces, some have irregular surfaces), they offer scenery, you go through nice villages, and you avoid the police (for the most part). They have plenty of bends and elevation changes. In contrast, you will sometimes find an N road that is straight as a string for ten clicks.
I'm looking at my map, which has some markings on it as far south as Dijon-ish.
If I were trying to maximise the interesting driving, I'd start near St Quentin (about midway between Amiens and Reims). North of there is too much congestion for any driving pleasure.
A few miles east of St Q is the D946. You can stay on that for a long way, until you're even with and slightly west of Verdun. At that point you intersect the N3, where you turn R (west) for a few kms until you reach the 982, onto which you turn L (south). Take the 982 to Vitry-le-Francois.
In V-l-F it gets a bit confusing, but you're looking for the 396 south.
Take the 396 south until you are SW of Chaumont. As you intersect the D65, you go onto the 996. You take the 996 for a few clicks until you see the signs for "Recey", which is a few clicks further.
At Recey, take the 959 south until Pontailler-sur-Saone, which is slightly east of Dijon. The 959 is one of the best roads I've ever driven.
The 959 has ended at P-s-S. Now use your sat-nav (
) to travel SE along a bitsy route for maybe 30kms to Mouchard. From Mouchard, take the D72 to Pontarlier. This is another great road.Now that you are nearly in Switzerland, I have no particular recommendations for you. From here you can make your way to Grenoble, from which the Route Napolean begins.
http://www.beyond.fr/map/mpnapol.html
One thing to bear in mind: when you're driving across the mountains, or foothills, your journey times will be much longer than a look at the map might suggest.
Btw, on your return journey, you are intending to stop by the Nordschleife, I hope.
Cheers.
I think I'll be making a TomTom itn for that, as i'd like to concentrate on the driving rather than trying not to get lost.
Are there many/any gendarmes with their 'hair driers' (
) on the D roads?Sometimes a village will have a fixed camera, but they (at least the ones that I've seen) are always preceded by a conspicuous sign.
A fairly recent map of fixed camera locations in France:
http://english.controleradar.org/
Diderot said:
Flemke,
The stretch on the 959, is that the one with that absoluetly mad uphill dual lane twisty section out of the town whose name escapes me? If it's what I think it is, then I sometimes take this coming back from the Alps after having crossed the Jura. Absolutely mental.
Cheers
D
I'm afraid that I don't recall such a section, but I've not been on the 959 in maybe three years.The stretch on the 959, is that the one with that absoluetly mad uphill dual lane twisty section out of the town whose name escapes me? If it's what I think it is, then I sometimes take this coming back from the Alps after having crossed the Jura. Absolutely mental.
Cheers
D
It is in essence a lovely country road, with good surfaces, a wide variety of bends, effective cambers, and almost no traffic getting in the way. The overall result is a cracker of a road on which a serious motorist can safely have a lot of fun.
Great pictures Kurtblythman, thanks! Pity my screen's a bit larger than those, but beggars can't be choosers.
Thanks for all the info Flemke. I've plotted the route you suggested on Tyre and it equates to about 320miles, so I'm guessing a good day or two's driving. Then on to the route Napoleon from there.
Also, can you suggest any good places to stay along the way or in the surrounding areas? It doesn't have to be too cheap, especially as I will be taking my Dad along with me, who will want to stay somewhere nice.
Sorry for so many questions, but you are a great source of knowledge.
Thanks for all the info Flemke. I've plotted the route you suggested on Tyre and it equates to about 320miles, so I'm guessing a good day or two's driving. Then on to the route Napoleon from there.
Also, can you suggest any good places to stay along the way or in the surrounding areas? It doesn't have to be too cheap, especially as I will be taking my Dad along with me, who will want to stay somewhere nice.
Sorry for so many questions, but you are a great source of knowledge.
identti said:
Also, can you suggest any good places to stay along the way or in the surrounding areas? It doesn't have to be too cheap, especially as I will be taking my Dad along with me, who will want to stay somewhere nice.
I am not the sort who pays attention to the name of the place where he is staying.I can find out a couple of names of nice places near Dijon for you, but I probably would not be able to do that until next week.
Could you wait until then?
flemke said:
identti said:
Also, can you suggest any good places to stay along the way or in the surrounding areas? It doesn't have to be too cheap, especially as I will be taking my Dad along with me, who will want to stay somewhere nice.
I am not the sort who pays attention to the name of the place where he is staying.I can find out a couple of names of nice places near Dijon for you, but I probably would not be able to do that until next week.
Could you wait until then?
Many Thanks!
Flemke, just wanted to say thank you for your help/advice at the Ring last weekend. I was the chap with the Cerb whose exhaust needed welding. With Mr Kleen's telephone number provided, I managed to get the car fixed within an hour and saved the weekend 
I would have emailed you privately but I cant through your profile, so had to plonk it on here.
If we meet again, the first beer is on me
Cheers
I would have emailed you privately but I cant through your profile, so had to plonk it on here.
If we meet again, the first beer is on me
Cheers
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