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That Saoutchik Roadster is quite something eh?
I understand what you say about 'colour need to have substance'.
It might be worth to look at pre-war car bodyshops. They often have those old and firm colours.
Did you see snaps of the Peb Beach Miura roadster?
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
OMG that is a tidy job. In a colour you might like, maybe a touch too much green.
I understand what you say about 'colour need to have substance'.
It might be worth to look at pre-war car bodyshops. They often have those old and firm colours.
Did you see snaps of the Peb Beach Miura roadster?
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
OMG that is a tidy job. In a colour you might like, maybe a touch too much green.
Robbo,
This is about my fourth attempt at a reply to you. The others got obliterated by computer problems.
Your first example - metallic medium blue. IMO these blues rarely work on road cars. I've got some pictures of this sort of colour on racing cars ('30s Indy cars) which are gorgeous. In those examples, hwoever, the blue is set off the red/white livery. That makes the difference.
The second example - solid medium blue, fairly intense. I think that this family of colours rarely works on road cars because they have a plastic feeling. It's almost as if the paint were getting caught in the back of one's throat.
The third - silver. My issue with silver is that it is the only colour that isn't really a colour, it's more a form of reflected light (I know that all colour is reflected light, but I've yet to see silver in a spectrum). Too many F1s have already been painted silver by default. If you go to McLaren, pretty much all that you see is silver and grey.
I've lately noticed a colour on new Merc Vanos vans. It's a light blue-grey with a lot of metallic. It's actually quite nice,and I think it would work on the F1, although I'm not sure what wheel colour would go with it.
Cheers.
This is about my fourth attempt at a reply to you. The others got obliterated by computer problems.
Your first example - metallic medium blue. IMO these blues rarely work on road cars. I've got some pictures of this sort of colour on racing cars ('30s Indy cars) which are gorgeous. In those examples, hwoever, the blue is set off the red/white livery. That makes the difference.
The second example - solid medium blue, fairly intense. I think that this family of colours rarely works on road cars because they have a plastic feeling. It's almost as if the paint were getting caught in the back of one's throat.
The third - silver. My issue with silver is that it is the only colour that isn't really a colour, it's more a form of reflected light (I know that all colour is reflected light, but I've yet to see silver in a spectrum). Too many F1s have already been painted silver by default. If you go to McLaren, pretty much all that you see is silver and grey.
I've lately noticed a colour on new Merc Vanos vans. It's a light blue-grey with a lot of metallic. It's actually quite nice,and I think it would work on the F1, although I'm not sure what wheel colour would go with it.
Cheers.
dinkel said:
That Saoutchik Roadster is quite something eh?
I understand what you say about 'colour need to have substance'.
It might be worth to look at pre-war car bodyshops. They often have those old and firm colours.
Did you see snaps of the Peb Beach Miura roadster?
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
OMG that is a tidy job. In a colour you might like, maybe a touch too much green.
Albert, I understand what you say about 'colour need to have substance'.
It might be worth to look at pre-war car bodyshops. They often have those old and firm colours.
Did you see snaps of the Peb Beach Miura roadster?
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
OMG that is a tidy job. In a colour you might like, maybe a touch too much green.
I couldn't get the image off that link. That is probably just as well, because I then noticed that it was on fchat, which as far as I am concerned is one step away from perdition.
I've got loads of colour samples. My problem is conceptual - if I can figure it out in my head, I then can make the colour happen.
KB_S1 said:
Would it be possible/helpful to mock up some colour choices with cloth, acyrlic sheet or similar?
As you say flemke the cost of this adventure would be such and the timescale involved that, you do not want to get it wrong.
Keith,As you say flemke the cost of this adventure would be such and the timescale involved that, you do not want to get it wrong.
Those are good ideas.
I've had the factory make up some 1/3 scale models, which were a bit helpful, but not conclusive. Someone else was kind enough to make up for me a custom "configurator" with my car on it. The problem these was the difference between electronic colours and three-dimensional, reflective colours.
I've had quite a few samples made up on curved ally panels; I've worked with my own paints; I've had helmets and bike frames (which I was painting anyhow) done in possible F1 paints. I have travelled to more van dealers than you could count.
As I said above, I think the problem can only be resolved in my head, although it remains true that I have never seen in the flesh or in a picture an F1 road car in exactly the right colour. But I like challenges.
flemke said:
With respect, I'd suggest that getting a good red is much easier than getting a good blue.
Blues tend to look best with metal flake in them. Metal flake evokes a sense of GT-ness, however, which I am trying to avoid. Also, many of the best blue cars are older ones with chrome elements such as bumpers and wire wheels that work against the blue. A few F1s have been painted various metallic blues, and in all of them the colour falls apart, visually.
The big problem with blue is that it changes with the ambient light much more than any other colour does. When you're choosing a blue, are you choosing one for a sunny July afternoon in France or a grim March morning in Britain? I have been amazed at what a difference it makes. All colours change with the environment, but blue is the extreme.
Red is a fairly easy choice, assuming that one can get past both the boy-racer and the Italian sports car connotations. The question with red is whether to go for a warm red or a cool one. They can both be good, so long as you can obtain a high-quality pigment or dye, but you have to make the choice. A non-choice in the middle won't cut it.
The quality of the pigment is less of an issue with blues, because the best blues on cars like the F1 have some grey in them anyway; a straight blue is too harsh.
What do you mean by "falls apart?"Blues tend to look best with metal flake in them. Metal flake evokes a sense of GT-ness, however, which I am trying to avoid. Also, many of the best blue cars are older ones with chrome elements such as bumpers and wire wheels that work against the blue. A few F1s have been painted various metallic blues, and in all of them the colour falls apart, visually.
The big problem with blue is that it changes with the ambient light much more than any other colour does. When you're choosing a blue, are you choosing one for a sunny July afternoon in France or a grim March morning in Britain? I have been amazed at what a difference it makes. All colours change with the environment, but blue is the extreme.
Red is a fairly easy choice, assuming that one can get past both the boy-racer and the Italian sports car connotations. The question with red is whether to go for a warm red or a cool one. They can both be good, so long as you can obtain a high-quality pigment or dye, but you have to make the choice. A non-choice in the middle won't cut it.
The quality of the pigment is less of an issue with blues, because the best blues on cars like the F1 have some grey in them anyway; a straight blue is too harsh.
flemke said:
RobboC said:
It's a tricky choice, and as I've come to understand from reading, a hugely expensive one.
From the photos, I think your current colour looks superb, especially with the black wheels, but things can look different in the flesh.
I do like red, which also looks good with black wheels, but I tend to think getting the right red would be harder than getting the right blue.
With respect, I'd suggest that getting a good red is much easier than getting a good blue.From the photos, I think your current colour looks superb, especially with the black wheels, but things can look different in the flesh.
I do like red, which also looks good with black wheels, but I tend to think getting the right red would be harder than getting the right blue.
Blues tend to look best with metal flake in them. Metal flake evokes a sense of GT-ness, however, which I am trying to avoid. Also, many of the best blue cars are older ones with chrome elements such as bumpers and wire wheels that work against the blue. A few F1s have been painted various metallic blues, and in all of them the colour falls apart, visually.
The big problem with blue is that it changes with the ambient light much more than any other colour does. When you're choosing a blue, are you choosing one for a sunny July afternoon in France or a grim March morning in Britain? I have been amazed at what a difference it makes. All colours change with the environment, but blue is the extreme.
Red is a fairly easy choice, assuming that one can get past both the boy-racer and the Italian sports car connotations. The question with red is whether to go for a warm red or a cool one. They can both be good, so long as you can obtain a high-quality pigment or dye, but you have to make the choice. A non-choice in the middle won't cut it.
The quality of the pigment is less of an issue with blues, because the best blues on cars like the F1 have some grey in them anyway; a straight blue is too harsh.
Got an uncle who spent years refurbishing a Marcos 3 Liter, went from a grotesque yellow to a truly incredible deep metallic red with a gold flake in the top coat. It looked utterly incredible, and worked on that car - but wouldn't necessarily work on something else. I think he was pretty upset that he couldn't take the car with him when he moved to Belgium back in the early 80s.
flemke said:
Robbo,
This is about my fourth attempt at a reply to you. The others got obliterated by computer problems.
Your first example - metallic medium blue. IMO these blues rarely work on road cars. I've got some pictures of this sort of colour on racing cars ('30s Indy cars) which are gorgeous. In those examples, hwoever, the blue is set off the red/white livery. That makes the difference.
The second example - solid medium blue, fairly intense. I think that this family of colours rarely works on road cars because they have a plastic feeling. It's almost as if the paint were getting caught in the back of one's throat.
The third - silver. My issue with silver is that it is the only colour that isn't really a colour, it's more a form of reflected light (I know that all colour is reflected light, but I've yet to see silver in a spectrum). Too many F1s have already been painted silver by default. If you go to McLaren, pretty much all that you see is silver and grey.
I've lately noticed a colour on new Merc Vanos vans. It's a light blue-grey with a lot of metallic. It's actually quite nice,and I think it would work on the F1, although I'm not sure what wheel colour would go with it.
Cheers.
Flemke, the third picture isn't silver it's an ice blue, and the blue is a lot stronger in the flesh and does pic out the lines very well and doesn't look like many other colours i've seen on the road.This is about my fourth attempt at a reply to you. The others got obliterated by computer problems.
Your first example - metallic medium blue. IMO these blues rarely work on road cars. I've got some pictures of this sort of colour on racing cars ('30s Indy cars) which are gorgeous. In those examples, hwoever, the blue is set off the red/white livery. That makes the difference.
The second example - solid medium blue, fairly intense. I think that this family of colours rarely works on road cars because they have a plastic feeling. It's almost as if the paint were getting caught in the back of one's throat.
The third - silver. My issue with silver is that it is the only colour that isn't really a colour, it's more a form of reflected light (I know that all colour is reflected light, but I've yet to see silver in a spectrum). Too many F1s have already been painted silver by default. If you go to McLaren, pretty much all that you see is silver and grey.
I've lately noticed a colour on new Merc Vanos vans. It's a light blue-grey with a lot of metallic. It's actually quite nice,and I think it would work on the F1, although I'm not sure what wheel colour would go with it.
Cheers.
I see what you are saying of the flatter blue (2nd pic) but the first blue looks great offset buy darker wheels, with or without the livery
flemke said:
dinkel said:
That Saoutchik Roadster is quite something eh?
Albert, I couldn't get the image off that link. That is probably just as well, because I then noticed that it was on fchat, which as far as I am concerned is one step away from perdition.
I've got loads of colour samples. My problem is conceptual - if I can figure it out in my head, I then can make the colour happen.
Re: one step away from perdition.
ROFL! I only post on Sackey's M-topic
which is hilarious of course, being on an Fcar-website.I remember reading, ages ago, about some guy who wanted his F1 in a certain purple and some McLaren engineer (I think it was) hunted out the perfect Aubergine to demonstrate the colour.
I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
35secToNuvolari said:
flemke said:
With respect, I'd suggest that getting a good red is much easier than getting a good blue.
Blues tend to look best with metal flake in them. Metal flake evokes a sense of GT-ness, however, which I am trying to avoid. Also, many of the best blue cars are older ones with chrome elements such as bumpers and wire wheels that work against the blue. A few F1s have been painted various metallic blues, and in all of them the colour falls apart, visually.
The big problem with blue is that it changes with the ambient light much more than any other colour does. When you're choosing a blue, are you choosing one for a sunny July afternoon in France or a grim March morning in Britain? I have been amazed at what a difference it makes. All colours change with the environment, but blue is the extreme.
Red is a fairly easy choice, assuming that one can get past both the boy-racer and the Italian sports car connotations. The question with red is whether to go for a warm red or a cool one. They can both be good, so long as you can obtain a high-quality pigment or dye, but you have to make the choice. A non-choice in the middle won't cut it.
The quality of the pigment is less of an issue with blues, because the best blues on cars like the F1 have some grey in them anyway; a straight blue is too harsh.
What do you mean by "falls apart?"Blues tend to look best with metal flake in them. Metal flake evokes a sense of GT-ness, however, which I am trying to avoid. Also, many of the best blue cars are older ones with chrome elements such as bumpers and wire wheels that work against the blue. A few F1s have been painted various metallic blues, and in all of them the colour falls apart, visually.
The big problem with blue is that it changes with the ambient light much more than any other colour does. When you're choosing a blue, are you choosing one for a sunny July afternoon in France or a grim March morning in Britain? I have been amazed at what a difference it makes. All colours change with the environment, but blue is the extreme.
Red is a fairly easy choice, assuming that one can get past both the boy-racer and the Italian sports car connotations. The question with red is whether to go for a warm red or a cool one. They can both be good, so long as you can obtain a high-quality pigment or dye, but you have to make the choice. A non-choice in the middle won't cut it.
The quality of the pigment is less of an issue with blues, because the best blues on cars like the F1 have some grey in them anyway; a straight blue is too harsh.
In metallics in general, but especially in metallic blues, the flakes have a sharp contrast with the pigment, more so than in the other main colours (I'm speaking generically; there will be exceptions). This sharp contrast has two bad effects:
1), the paint has more depth. The problem here is that the depth effect tends to overshoot, and your eye gets drawn into the car itself. At the same time,
2), the area in front of you has the most direct reflections - the light is bouncing off the flakes. That area is sharp contrast with the rest of the paint around it, which you are seeing from the side. That bit in front of you is disconnecting from the rest. Factor 2) is exacerbated by factor 1).
The result is that a beautiful body shape is made discontinuous. It loses its visual flow; it no longer hangs together as a single surface.
james_tigerwoods said:
I remember reading, ages ago, about some guy who wanted his F1 in a certain purple and some McLaren engineer (I think it was) hunted out the perfect Aubergine to demonstrate the colour.
I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
They made two purple cars, both for Brits. One is a comedic actor, the other was known to sing the occasional song.I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
flemke said:
james_tigerwoods said:
I remember reading, ages ago, about some guy who wanted his F1 in a certain purple and some McLaren engineer (I think it was) hunted out the perfect Aubergine to demonstrate the colour.
I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
They made two purple cars, both for Brits. One is a comedic actor, the other was known to sing the occasional song.I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
clonmult said:
flemke said:
james_tigerwoods said:
I remember reading, ages ago, about some guy who wanted his F1 in a certain purple and some McLaren engineer (I think it was) hunted out the perfect Aubergine to demonstrate the colour.
I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
They made two purple cars, both for Brits. One is a comedic actor, the other was known to sing the occasional song.I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
james_tigerwoods said:
clonmult said:
flemke said:
james_tigerwoods said:
I remember reading, ages ago, about some guy who wanted his F1 in a certain purple and some McLaren engineer (I think it was) hunted out the perfect Aubergine to demonstrate the colour.
I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
They made two purple cars, both for Brits. One is a comedic actor, the other was known to sing the occasional song.I think this is just brilliant
Also, I was at my Mum's a couple of weekends ago and I found my 1:18 F1 that I forgot I had - my 3 year old son loved it. It was with my 1:18 XJ220 and 1:18 XK120
35secToNuvolari said:
I understand what you're saying. It is apparent in some pictures, but I have a feeling it is something that manifests itself more clearly in person, than in a photo that's usually taken from afar.
Yes, it is certainly more obvious in person. You walk around the car and you can see how the "bright spots" move with you.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff