Mad Negative Camber. Why?

Mad Negative Camber. Why?

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irf

812 posts

225 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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petrolsniffer said:
looks stupid and eventually its dangerous





Yes that is a honda mpv with a bmw front...
i know i shouldn't but i'm liking that a lot!boxedin

Mattt

16,661 posts

218 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Is it just me who doesn't get this 'Dub' thing?

number2301

508 posts

200 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Mattt said:
Is it just me who doesn't get this 'Dub' thing?
No it isn't. Euro style is no different to the plastic fantastic Halfords specials of old. I've no time for all the 'track style' cars either.

Acehood

1,326 posts

174 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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You mean this kind of thing? I don't really understand it but it's not up to me what other people do with their cars





The Police probably aren't too keen either..



And of course...


OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

177 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Acehood said:
You mean this kind of thing? I don't really understand it but it's not up to me what other people do with their cars
It is if the things they do to their car mean their insurance is invalid and they crash into you. . . . . . . .

Celt

1,264 posts

192 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Would lowering all cars cause some amount of negative camber? What needs to be changed to stop it?

Rich_W

12,548 posts

212 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Negative camber is designed to increase stability of a car. Hence why every car runs at least a little. Obivously as aboove the VW guys do it excessively for looks.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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OnTheOverrun said:
Acehood said:
You mean this kind of thing? I don't really understand it but it's not up to me what other people do with their cars
It is if the things they do to their car mean their insurance is invalid and they crash into you. . . . . . . .
Their insurance will still pay out to you. However the insurance company reserves the right to claim the money they pay to you, back from them.

Frik

13,542 posts

243 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Buffalo said:
nicky.mattsson said:
Is it for handling?

Nick
I ran nearly 3 degrees neg camber on my Race set up (road registered) MG for a while, unintentionally, but it was nonetheless set up correctly. It was not very pleasant, in most situations the handling suffered because the tyre contact was smaller - it certainly felt it. To handle well in the bends you had to be heavy handed with it to get the car to lean over onto the tyre patch. This is not sustainable driving for 9 out of 10 drives on public roads.

Having said that I once over-cooked it by accident and thought I was a gonna, but no, it canked over, sat down hard on the full tyre patch and I went round like I was on rails. I would have been astounded had I not been on my hands and knees praying! wink
Seemed work pretty well for Force India at Spa last year, if the rumours are to be believed too...

pits

6,429 posts

190 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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I seriously don't know where people are getting this idea that the VW boys actually dial in the neg camber and make it look like, all cars have negative camber when you drop it an inch off the floor that increase the negative camber you can then dial out the negative camber, but at when they are that low you will just be ripping the wings and tyres apart.


Some of them have had negative camber added, but most of the time it is due to being an inch of the floor, if you want the opposite way and lifted a car it would end up with positive camber

dugt

1,657 posts

207 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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irf said:
petrolsniffer said:
looks stupid and eventually its dangerous





Yes that is a honda mpv with a bmw front...
i know i shouldn't but i'm liking that a lot!boxedin
i really like that too, apart form the wheels looking like they have colapsed, thers a serious amount of work gone into that.

Menguin

3,764 posts

221 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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pits said:
I seriously don't know where people are getting this idea that the VW boys actually dial in the neg camber and make it look like, all cars have negative camber when you drop it an inch off the floor that increase the negative camber you can then dial out the negative camber, but at when they are that low you will just be ripping the wings and tyres apart.


Some of them have had negative camber added, but most of the time it is due to being an inch of the floor, if you want the opposite way and lifted a car it would end up with positive camber
I know, where did anyone get that idea?


Dunk76

4,350 posts

214 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Most cars have negative camber to a certain extent - it's to help keep the most amount of tyre on the road; Under hard cornering the outside wheels, backs especially, will try to roll off the tyres onto the rims - so negative camber combats this (think of it like leaning on a motorbike).

Lowering a car tends to exaggerate the camber, as most cars don't have a method of adjusting camber decently.

The Dubbers have taken this and, as is their way with such things, made it into a competitive visual statement. After all, there's little point in worrying about the handling or grip on an old Beetle or belly scraping Mk.1 Golf with stretched tyres wink

W00DY

15,483 posts

226 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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I only like it on bugs. Looks especially stupid on front wheels. Would love my 65 to be running a 3 spline drop one day but it fks the gearbox and tyres, looks awesome though:


Menguin

3,764 posts

221 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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W00DY said:
I only like it on bugs. Looks especially stupid on front wheels. Would love my 65 to be running a 3 spline drop one day but it fks the gearbox and tyres, looks awesome though:

I think it looks awesome - apart from what they've done to the wheels.

dtmpower

3,972 posts

245 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Is this not confusing two schools , or maybe three:

1. camber from air/hydraulic suspension being put on the floor
2. insane camber for the 'look' or to get rims to fit in the arch
3. a genuine need for camber on the front wheels to get contact patch whilst turning into a corner.

DubZeus

1,401 posts

218 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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My old Polo was lowered on coilovers, had 6 degreees overall camber on the front, handled really well in the twisties but felt twitchy on the straight. Tyres would last around 700 miles but I did it for the style.


Dont care if you hate it end of the day, I loved it & thats all that matters.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

212 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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DubZeus said:
My old Polo was lowered on coilovers, had 6 degreees overall camber on the front, handled really well in the twisties but felt twitchy on the straight. Tyres would last around 700 miles but I did it for the style.


Dont care if you hate it end of the day, I loved it & thats all that matters.
erm. the front camber is quite adjustable on those Polos. You could have had it at 2 degrees and still the same height! biggrin

TwistingMyMelon

6,385 posts

205 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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DubZeus said:
My old Polo was lowered on coilovers, had 6 degreees overall camber on the front, handled really well in the twisties but felt twitchy on the straight. Tyres would last around 700 miles but I did it for the style.


Dont care if you hate it end of the day, I loved it & thats all that matters.
"Felt twitchy on the Straight...700 miles on tyres" Prick

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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Hahaha , "the style" in a car that absolutely nobody except other drooling idiots would pay the slightest bit of attention to, at enormous cost in tyres! That's really cheered me up - no matter how stupid I feel when I fk up and flood my house or something I know I'll never be as stupid as that rofl