Mad Negative Camber. Why?
Discussion
As I understand it some of it comes from (or perhaps came from) competition cars running negative camber. I believe that competition tyres are designed to operate with a lot more camber than road tyres.
I guess that the other comments about people doing it because they are numpties who lower their cars by cutting down the springs, or to tuck them into the arches with stupidly stretched tyres.
As with the brigades who stick massive wings on their FWD hatches its form over function.
I guess that the other comments about people doing it because they are numpties who lower their cars by cutting down the springs, or to tuck them into the arches with stupidly stretched tyres.
As with the brigades who stick massive wings on their FWD hatches its form over function.
Nothing wrong with modifying a car for its looks (either the VW scene or max power type modifications - I don't see a difference between the two really) as long as they aren't dangerous. Some of these daft camber angles can't be safe though, if they're run on the road (maybe they aren't).
bales said:
Marf said:
JB! said:
It's all fashion really, form over function, but a well excecuted dub looks a million times better than "gaz" in his saxo...
Yet "gaz" in his saxo could probably run rings around a I guess some people are far too concerned about how their car looks, rather than how well it drives.
Why should be making a car peform better be any more relevant than making a car 'look' better in their own opinion?
Why bother decorating your house to look better if it does the job of keeping you warm and not falling apart?? Silly argument really, each to their own I say.
Would you or would you not expect those people to think you're a bit of a plonka as you're house no longer functions (as a house) as well as it used to, all for the sake of fashion.
clarkey318is said:
Thing is, those don't have ABS (Correct me if I'm wrong) and the harder you brake the more negative camber due to suspension compression, effectively meaning that that car has sod all grip. Basically that car is dangerous and should be scrapped.
BSDoes that mean that with 2.0 - 2.5 Deg per front wheel, a little positive toe and no ABS just about every Caterham should be scrapped?
Marf said:
bales said:
Why should be making a car peform better be any more relevant than making a car 'look' better in their own opinion?
Because it makes you look like a bellend?To be honest I don't really care what people think about what I look like in a car anyway. You just said you prefer form over function but then made a comment about what you 'look' like in a car or how you are percieved by other people??
This is a silly argument, I'm not defending cars that have been modified to a silly amount that makes them undriveable, but I can't be doing with the attitude that a somehow modifying a car to perform better is in any way more relevant than modifying it to look better.
As I said each to their own, some people like modified cars some people don't.
TheRoadWarrior said:
Wow, there are some miserable gits on this car forum these days!!
New forum rule- If you dont have anything helpful to say; can it. There are far too many "Hey this is rubbish, lets all talk about how rubbish it is" threads these days.. sheesh.
The things is, if this had started off as a "hey, this is great, lets all talk about how great it is" it would have ended up at exactly this point anyway New forum rule- If you dont have anything helpful to say; can it. There are far too many "Hey this is rubbish, lets all talk about how rubbish it is" threads these days.. sheesh.
fathomfive said:
TheRoadWarrior said:
Wow, there are some miserable gits on this car forum these days!!
New forum rule- If you dont have anything helpful to say; can it. There are far too many "Hey this is rubbish, lets all talk about how rubbish it is" threads these days.. sheesh.
The things is, if this had started off as a "hey, this is great, lets all talk about how great it is" it would have ended up at exactly this point anyway New forum rule- If you dont have anything helpful to say; can it. There are far too many "Hey this is rubbish, lets all talk about how rubbish it is" threads these days.. sheesh.
Generally it's not intentional is it, it's a by-product of lowering and then being too lazy to properly adjust the camber back or use offset bushes/shims/whatever to straighten it up.
Also, remember that a fair few of these cars will be running adjustable air-bags, hydraulics or coil-overs. They probably don't run that low on the roads most of the time so there is no point going to lengths to sort out the camber cos when the car is raised back to a drivable height it will then have +camber. Most of the cars pictured are sat that low purely for the show or photo-shoot.
Who cares? Why judge and get snooty. It's not exactly my bag but it's not my money getting wasted on tyres.
If, to some, a car is more about show than go well what is wrong with that?
Also, remember that a fair few of these cars will be running adjustable air-bags, hydraulics or coil-overs. They probably don't run that low on the roads most of the time so there is no point going to lengths to sort out the camber cos when the car is raised back to a drivable height it will then have +camber. Most of the cars pictured are sat that low purely for the show or photo-shoot.
Who cares? Why judge and get snooty. It's not exactly my bag but it's not my money getting wasted on tyres.
If, to some, a car is more about show than go well what is wrong with that?
CrisW said:
As with the brigades who stick massive wings on their FWD hatches its form over function.
So the golf 3 GTi STANDARD rear wing is form over function??Same with the corrado VR6 auto adjusting rear wing?
What about honda accord type r?
there is little need for a spoiler at the back on a fwd car BUT it does help if its part of the design.
Smoother airflow meaning less drag, or maybe just for a bit of added downforce.
It is possible for the back of a FWD car to lose traction under hard cornering and a rear wing WILL combat this IF designed properly.
Look at BTCC.
The lacetti its FWD and iirc has a mahoosive spoiler.
theres a function to that or the guy who run the team wouldnt have stuck it on.
MOST application in the modifying world are for form, but even so there will be some function to it somewhere even if it is barely noticable.
Edited to fix quote
Edited by warped head on Monday 30th November 14:21
Munter said:
bales said:
Marf said:
JB! said:
It's all fashion really, form over function, but a well excecuted dub looks a million times better than "gaz" in his saxo...
Yet "gaz" in his saxo could probably run rings around a I guess some people are far too concerned about how their car looks, rather than how well it drives.
Why should be making a car peform better be any more relevant than making a car 'look' better in their own opinion?
Why bother decorating your house to look better if it does the job of keeping you warm and not falling apart?? Silly argument really, each to their own I say.
Would you or would you not expect those people to think you're a bit of a plonka as you're house no longer functions (as a house) as well as it used to, all for the sake of fashion.
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