911 (997) Turbo upgraded and tuned by DMS - excellent result
Discussion
Adam B said:
Hmmm can't justify spending that sort of money on an exhaust. Almost 10% of the cars value. The remap prices are also a bit of a joke considering they are generic AFAIK (provided car is running ok as stock), and R&D cost well covered by now - seem to suffer from Porsche tax 
I wouldn't pay £4,000 either. The Kline system is about £2,000 Isysman said:
Anyone can buy pretty much any material, it's what they make it into that is the hard part. As far as I know they are the only exhaust manufacturer making Inconel exhausts systems for Porsche. And those systems are in line with the price of stainless systems by other companies. They also make titanium if people want them.
They are not the only people that make Inconel systems for Porsche go back and do your research. Titanium is a no go for me unless you want to be welding the darn thing every 5 mins. Here you go. Post #83.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997-turbo-gt2/3...
s3nick said:
They are not the only people that make Inconel systems for Porsche go back and do your research. Titanium is a no go for me unless you want to be welding the darn thing every 5 mins.
Here you go. Post #83.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997-turbo-gt2/3...
That car was running 700 hp. I think it's more to do with that than the quality of the exhaust system. Here you go. Post #83.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997-turbo-gt2/3...
Also that's one person and with 100 cell cats. Mine are 200 cell. Also The guy from a Kline was on there telling him it's covered under warranty.
Edited by Isysman on Wednesday 14th May 00:21
Isysman said:
Ok so one person had an issue. That doesn't mean it's a bad manufacturer.
The bottom line is they are using cheap cats in their systems. They now offer a HJS cat which obviously helps but also raises the price.Also another thing about the Kline system is it uses 63.5mm tubing and most exhaust manufacturers who know how to get power out of the cars use 70mm which again would increase the price.
s3nick said:
The bottom line is they are using cheap cats in their systems. They now offer a HJS cat which obviously helps but also raises the price.
Also another thing about the Kline system is it uses 63.5mm tubing and most exhaust manufacturers who know how to get power out of the cars use 70mm which again would increase the price.
Ok so you won't be buying one, I get it. Also another thing about the Kline system is it uses 63.5mm tubing and most exhaust manufacturers who know how to get power out of the cars use 70mm which again would increase the price.
Isysman said:
Ok so you won't be buying one, I get it.
Definitely not. I have been following the Porsche tuning scene since 2005 so I know who I would go with and who I would not. The only thing that upsets me is when people like yourself with a nice car go and spend your hard earned doe on junk without realising just to save a few bob.
s3nick said:
Definitely not. I have been following the Porsche tuning scene since 2005 so I know who I would go with and who I would not.
The only thing that upsets me is when people like yourself with a nice car go and spend your hard earned doe on junk without realising just to save a few bob.
Ok that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I'd rather you started your own thread than hijacking mine which was about more than just the exhaust. ThanksThe only thing that upsets me is when people like yourself with a nice car go and spend your hard earned doe on junk without realising just to save a few bob.
Isysman said:
Ok that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I'd rather you started your own thread than hijacking mine which was about more than just the exhaust. Thanks
Well unfortunately this is the internet and when you post things on a forum people come along and comment. As far as I can see you have posted about an exhaust and a remap and I am sorry but it is impossible to get 620hp out of stock turbos. Another thing I would like to mention is that you have not mentioned a clutch upgrade and if you had the kind of power and torque you had mentioned then your clutch would have melted by now. This is not a hi jack this is valid info.
Thanks.
s3nick said:
Well unfortunately this is the internet and when you post things on a forum people come along and comment.
As far as I can see you have posted about an exhaust and a remap and I am sorry but it is impossible to get 620hp out of stock turbos. Another thing I would like to mention is that you have not mentioned a clutch upgrade and if you had the kind of power and torque you had mentioned then your clutch would have melted by now. This is not a hi jack this is valid info.
Thanks.
You were just bashing the The Kline exhaust and generally on forums people observe the original posters subject and the thread is not about wether or not the Kline is good or bad. You based your bashing on one post in one thread, of someone saying they had an issue. The company had offered to replace under warranty. Also 304 stainless is aircraft grade and is the industry standard also used by Dansk and Miltek (also 63.5mm). The Miltek is used by Audi on the R8 and other cars. You've offered no evidence that the Kline is a poor exhaust, you've just given your opinion because you've 'followed tuning since 2005' meaning you've been reading about it. I'm sure you have your favourite, maybe you even work for them. Or maybe you bought a Kline exhaust and had a bad experience?As far as I can see you have posted about an exhaust and a remap and I am sorry but it is impossible to get 620hp out of stock turbos. Another thing I would like to mention is that you have not mentioned a clutch upgrade and if you had the kind of power and torque you had mentioned then your clutch would have melted by now. This is not a hi jack this is valid info.
Thanks.
The results I posted were shown to me as they ran the dyno tests as seen in the video and I included them in my video. I'll follow up with further rolling road test to confirm the power of the car.
Edited by Isysman on Wednesday 14th May 02:08
Isysman said:
You were just bashing the The Kline exhaust and generally on forums people observe the original posters subject and the thread is not about wether or not the Kline is good or bad. You based your bashing on one post in one thread, of someone saying they had an issue. The company had offered to replace under warranty. Also 304 stainless is aircraft grade and is the industry standard also used by Dansk and Miltek (also 63.5mm). The Miltek is used by Audi on the R8 and other cars. You've offered no evidence that the Kline is a poor exhaust, you've just given your opinion because you've 'followed tuning since 2005' meaning you've been reading about it. I'm sure you have your favourite, maybe you even work for them. Or maybe you bought a Kline exhaust and had a bad experience?
The results I posted were shown to me as they ran the dyno tests as seen in the video and I included them in my video. I'll follow up with further rolling road test to confirm the power of the car.
Its ok you have just spent a lot of money so you have to justify it. Also the other thing you said you are doing a couple of write ups for magazines so maybe you have and affiliation or have been given a good deal to push these products who knows. The results I posted were shown to me as they ran the dyno tests as seen in the video and I included them in my video. I'll follow up with further rolling road test to confirm the power of the car.
Edited by Isysman on Wednesday 14th May 02:08
Good luck with the dyno runs.
Kline innovation exhausts are retailed by Topgear of Bridport www.topgear.co.uk. Topgear own Kline who manufacture the exhausts in Bucharest. Top Gear MD Stephen Kilcoin has a 997.1T and has run with a Kilne installed for years, I think he had done 80k miles last time I spoke with him. The exhaust is currently £1800 inc vat and if purchased through top gear entitles you to £350 half price re-map . The exhaust can be installed at one of Topgears branches. I wish to state that I am in no way connected with Topgear or Kline just a satisfied customer.
s3nick its always interesting to hear another point of view , however just bashing a product that you have no personal experience of and simply read some bad on line postings can be very damaging to a business. Several negative postings from a person such as your good self can trash a perfectly good product and waste all the time and effort in developing it and its market.
In my view the Kline is a well made product. I fitted the system myself and it fitted perfectly. I found both Topgear and Felix at Kline easy to contact and helpful and am confident that the backup is there should I have a problem. I am also aware that each Cat unit can easily be replaced in 15 minutes should a problem occur as they un bolt from the system independently , simples.
I have also used DMS for diesel tuning and know them to be a totally professional company. However I also have a lot of rolling road experience and know that a rolling road result can be +/- 20% of actual peak power. Kline also has some power plots on its website and IIRC they quote +73bhp and 55ib ft for their system using 200 cell cats and High flow air filter and a re-map. Upgrading the intercoolers must give a tad more but I have no experience of this.
s3nick its always interesting to hear another point of view , however just bashing a product that you have no personal experience of and simply read some bad on line postings can be very damaging to a business. Several negative postings from a person such as your good self can trash a perfectly good product and waste all the time and effort in developing it and its market.
In my view the Kline is a well made product. I fitted the system myself and it fitted perfectly. I found both Topgear and Felix at Kline easy to contact and helpful and am confident that the backup is there should I have a problem. I am also aware that each Cat unit can easily be replaced in 15 minutes should a problem occur as they un bolt from the system independently , simples.
I have also used DMS for diesel tuning and know them to be a totally professional company. However I also have a lot of rolling road experience and know that a rolling road result can be +/- 20% of actual peak power. Kline also has some power plots on its website and IIRC they quote +73bhp and 55ib ft for their system using 200 cell cats and High flow air filter and a re-map. Upgrading the intercoolers must give a tad more but I have no experience of this.
RAWENG said:
Kline innovation exhausts are retailed by Topgear of Bridport www.topgear.co.uk. Topgear own Kline who manufacture the exhausts in Bucharest. Top Gear MD Stephen Kilcoin has a 997.1T and has run with a Kilne installed for years, I think he had done 80k miles last time I spoke with him. The exhaust is currently £1800 inc vat and if purchased through top gear entitles you to £350 half price re-map . The exhaust can be installed at one of Topgears branches. I wish to state that I am in no way connected with Topgear or Kline just a satisfied customer.
s3nick its always interesting to hear another point of view , however just bashing a product that you have no personal experience of and simply read some bad on line postings can be very damaging to a business. Several negative postings from a person such as your good self can trash a perfectly good product and waste all the time and effort in developing it and its market.
In my view the Kline is a well made product. I fitted the system myself and it fitted perfectly. I found both Topgear and Felix at Kline easy to contact and helpful and am confident that the backup is there should I have a problem. I am also aware that each Cat unit can easily be replaced in 15 minutes should a problem occur as they un bolt from the system independently , simples.
I have also used DMS for diesel tuning and know them to be a totally professional company. However I also have a lot of rolling road experience and know that a rolling road result can be +/- 20% of actual peak power. Kline also has some power plots on its website and IIRC they quote +73bhp and 55ib ft for their system using 200 cell cats and High flow air filter and a re-map. Upgrading the intercoolers must give a tad more but I have no experience of this.
Thanks for confirming what I thought. Topgear own Kline and Topgear manufacture their systems at their facility in Thailand which they use to have written on their own website and have now seemed to have changed it. To me that explains why the systems are very cheap in comparison to other systems on the Porsche market. s3nick its always interesting to hear another point of view , however just bashing a product that you have no personal experience of and simply read some bad on line postings can be very damaging to a business. Several negative postings from a person such as your good self can trash a perfectly good product and waste all the time and effort in developing it and its market.
In my view the Kline is a well made product. I fitted the system myself and it fitted perfectly. I found both Topgear and Felix at Kline easy to contact and helpful and am confident that the backup is there should I have a problem. I am also aware that each Cat unit can easily be replaced in 15 minutes should a problem occur as they un bolt from the system independently , simples.
I have also used DMS for diesel tuning and know them to be a totally professional company. However I also have a lot of rolling road experience and know that a rolling road result can be +/- 20% of actual peak power. Kline also has some power plots on its website and IIRC they quote +73bhp and 55ib ft for their system using 200 cell cats and High flow air filter and a re-map. Upgrading the intercoolers must give a tad more but I have no experience of this.
Anyway as long as the OP and you are happy thats great.
Further more if a cat decides to fail like that it could cause more problems and you would be changing more than your cats.
The prob is that posts like this will get people to think that is is possible to get 620hp from a remap and exhaust. If you are , OP, writing and article then ask the question why imv number 1 tuner (9e) in the UK and heading towards Europe where the likes of RS Tuning are highly respected , both of these companies get around 550ps. It's not because they are rubbish, it's because they have done it and there real world numbers backing it up. I know from chatting with ken at 9e that even their base package needs an upgrade clutch immediately. I do have a 9e car so you can call me biased but then their records speak for themselves.
RAWENG said:
s3nick now go and stand in the dunces corner. 1/10 for comprehension I posted that Kline manufacture in Bucharest . 1/10 geography as Bucharest is in Romania . Could it be possible
that you also read the negative posts with the same poor comprehension of the facts?
that you also read the negative posts with the same poor comprehension of the facts?
They are meant to be but are they?
I dont think they are.
Have you been to Bucharest to see this for yourself?
P.S. Are you that gullible that you believe everything you hear and read?
Edited by s3nick on Wednesday 14th May 10:09
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