Before all the venues disappear...

Before all the venues disappear...

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Chunkychucky

5,961 posts

169 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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RedAndy said:
Chunkychucky said:
Spotted a former-RAF airfield in North Yorkshire that looked nice, did a bit of reading in to the venue, found that post-2031 it's due to be sold off as they no longer have use for it. It would be awesome if someone ran the perimeter road as a track day/sprint circuit, possibly drag strips on the runway running through the centre of the perimeter?
no market for it, cos just a bit further over there's Tockwith...
Have you dealt with them? I made some enquiries with Tockwith previously, the first of which I was told "No the circuit isn't for hire", the second time 18 months later, for the <1 mile 'car circuit', I was told it was around £3k for a half day from memory, which when you look at it is laughable.

A suitable alternative that offered mid-week test days, at either hourly/half-day/full-day rate would be beneficial and I believe there are enough people around locally to support it (hill climbers, circuit racers etc.).

ETA: Snippet of offending circuit @ Tockwith (bottom left side of snip) - people complain about grass roots motorsport, but to pay £3k to hire this is a joke.



Edited by Chunkychucky on Tuesday 3rd January 15:51

996Type

712 posts

152 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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Motor cycle racing at Olivers Mount is back again this year, it does get really busy though but is worth a visit I would say.

If your here early enough you can drive part of the course before they close the hill to set up.

Chunkychucky

5,961 posts

169 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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996Type said:
Motor cycle racing at Olivers Mount is back again this year, it does get really busy though but is worth a visit I would say.

If your here early enough you can drive part of the course before they close the hill to set up.
Good call, been to a couple of meetings previously and it's a great spectacle.

Can't say i've ever rocked up at the circuit and driven some laps early doors before the dog walkers are out...whistle

Chunkychucky

5,961 posts

169 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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Truckosaurus said:
Goodwood has retained its 'classic' layout due to being shut for decades and then being re-opened as somewhat of a theme park rather than a working circuit.

I assume the Duke owns most of the land in the vicinity which will also help on the NIMBY front.
Yeah good call, it's a unique example I suppose - however, aside from Thruxton, it's unfortunately somewhat unique nowadays in being of the open, flowing airfield-type circuit. Perimeter roads lend themselves so well to circuits... frown The below is no-longer used by RAF and is due to be disposed of by MoD, probably for crap over-priced housing rolleyes




entropy

5,443 posts

203 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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I'm on similar mission to you Rob but my MO is more due to coming out of the other side of the pandemic I was thirsty for live motorsport and travelled all corners of England as possible and spectating as much variety as possible. Haven't done rallying yet.

Brum is being redeveloped. The wholesale market and multi-storey car park have been torn down. There used to be bits of armco that still remained from the Superprix which always brought a smile to my face whenever I was in Brum.

BEP

346 posts

205 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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Coming from the Rallying side getting venues is a nightmare. Part of our business is events so I talk to most major country estates, the cost over the last ten years and hugely post lockdown has rocketed.
A big reason being they’re now far more commercially aware whereas in the 80’s they were still run on traditional values. So any reasonable venue start at £2000 per half day and adjust your entrant costs accordingly.

We now compete with glamping, open water swimming, park runs, various Christmas light type events etc etc. One venue mentioned earlier in this thread now charges for damage to grass next to the tarmac, as you can imagine on a rally that’s an inevitable.

That said we’ve two completely new venues this year for our next event but they’ll be strictly none spectator.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

46 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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I do appreciate the issues with perm venues like estates, but Palmer tracks also do their utmost to try and stop you going on grass, including erecting chicanes that will damage a car rather than going on grass, and trying the best they can to avoid it, this I think is a bit pathetic in an off season. But the crews know the rules, I do feel however it is fairly harsh to penalise a crew with rather a lot of damage for a simple mistake and in times gone past on events with very bad weather making mistakes far more likely, it is just grass for God's sake, it WILL grow back. But they get to be that demanding, so what can you do.

I do understand the issue, and for those venues they are open all year round and need to be presentable to the general public, but if you are holding a rally, it is reasonable to expect the odd mistake from crews,

Robmarriott

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2,638 posts

158 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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BEP said:
That said we’ve two completely new venues this year for our next event but they’ll be strictly none spectator.
Well if you need anyone to ‘help’, don’t hesitate to ask wink

nickfrog

21,162 posts

217 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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LukeBrown66 said:
Bedford was supposed to be being sold BY PALMER, to fund his efforts in France but that all seems to have died a death. He certainly put forward a plan a few years ago to develop it into an eco town.
The application for BA was turned down in favour of an other site.

It wasn't really linked to the French project anyway, which has now been scaled down and will be carbon neutral essentially aimed at EVs.

RedAndy

1,230 posts

154 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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Chunkychucky said:
Have you dealt with them?
not for years actually. was nothing like £3k though! crazy for what it is.



ChevronB19

5,783 posts

163 months

Thursday 5th January 2023
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Croft has come very close to closing several times over the years.

In fact it sort of did in the 90’s, but reopened with a different layout (and a good one at that).

I’d recommend going. As a driver it’s a great circuit, and as a spectator it’s got the largest view of the majority of the circuit.

Robmarriott

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2,638 posts

158 months

Thursday 5th January 2023
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ChevronB19 said:
Croft has come very close to closing several times over the years.

In fact it sort of did in the 90’s, but reopened with a different layout (and a good one at that).

I’d recommend going. As a driver it’s a great circuit, and as a spectator it’s got the largest view of the majority of the circuit.
I honestly don’t know how I’ve never been to Croft, it’s at the top of the list for the year.

Chunkychucky

5,961 posts

169 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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ChevronB19 said:
Croft has come very close to closing several times over the years.

In fact it sort of did in the 90’s, but reopened with a different layout (and a good one at that).

I’d recommend going. As a driver it’s a great circuit, and as a spectator it’s got the largest view of the majority of the circuit.
Currently my local that, hadn't been until a couple of years ago but yes, great circuit to drive and spectate at - aside from the usual airfield issues of potential gale-force winds coming out of nowhere hehe

ChevronB19

5,783 posts

163 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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Chunkychucky said:
ChevronB19 said:
Croft has come very close to closing several times over the years.

In fact it sort of did in the 90’s, but reopened with a different layout (and a good one at that).

I’d recommend going. As a driver it’s a great circuit, and as a spectator it’s got the largest view of the majority of the circuit.
Currently my local that, hadn't been until a couple of years ago but yes, great circuit to drive and spectate at - aside from the usual airfield issues of potential gale-force winds coming out of nowhere hehe
Used to be an instructor there. All those laps definitely helped, as I consistently place better there than anywhere else!

Chunkychucky

5,961 posts

169 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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ChevronB19 said:
Used to be an instructor there. All those laps definitely helped, as I consistently place better there than anywhere else!
Awesome cool I love the part through Jim Clark Esses, trying to stay flat/committed as possible, then trying to get it all slowed down before/through Barncroft without getting horrendously out of shape hehe

RedAndy

1,230 posts

154 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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Chunkychucky said:
the usual airfield issues of potential gale-force winds coming out of nowhere hehe
I rememebr as a young teen the first BTCC race at croft - beautiful summer day for shorts and t-shirts, Ice creams and the beach... but all the families huddled together to keep warm out of that wind!

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

46 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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I have to admit Croft is a mixed feeling for me, it is too far away now for me to attend, but in the day it was a close rallycross track, this would be until it closed for the last time, George Shield and Wally ran it, it had some great meetings just running rallycross, was a great track I attended probably about 10 times over a 10 years period.

The replacement kind of ruined the rallycross track in my eyes, but at least it was still there until some moron decided to try and run two UK rallycross series and the sport was forever changed for the worst, I do like the layout of the race circuit, it provides goo racing, but for some series it is just not big enough, I do not know how BTCC manages BSB left there years ago which is a damn shame it was a great track, but then pamer owns the series and seems to prioritise his tracks over all else, his right I guess.

ChevronB19

5,783 posts

163 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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Chunkychucky said:
ChevronB19 said:
Used to be an instructor there. All those laps definitely helped, as I consistently place better there than anywhere else!
Awesome cool I love the part through Jim Clark Esses, trying to stay flat/committed as possible, then trying to get it all slowed down before/through Barncroft without getting horrendously out of shape hehe
Jim Clark Esses are probably the most underrated corner(s) on any circuit! On a reasonably low powered car you can get through Barcroft flat, but really have to stand on the brakes for Sunny in.

coppice

8,610 posts

144 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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Croft did close completely as a race circuit in 1981 , reopening in 1995 and in the current format in 1997. I first marshalled there in 1970 and did many track days there in my Sevens. It is now my local circuit , and I go to most meetings.

York Raceway is alive and well , rebranded Melbourne but the same venue , and much improved.

Rufforth was a race circuit 1959-77 and Linton On Ouse and RAF Catterick both held one off race meetings in the 60s.

I attend motorsport events most weekends in the season and while it is easy to cry into one's beer and bemoan closures there is still an enormous amount to enjoy, all over the country . I have been lucky enough to do a little 'work 'inside the sport - scribbling -and there are some lovely places to go and people to meet . But what is surprising is how few self confessed petrolheads (a term I hate BTW ) actually go and see live motorsport. Sure , there are pages of excitable posts after every Grand Prix , and poor Mr Block will be deluged with the inevitable thoughts and prayers , but all that stuff is just watching telly for me .

Most years I watch racing (Cadwell,Croft, Mallory , Donington , Oulton , Goodwood and Silverstone at least ) , drag racing (York and the Pod ) , hillclimbs at Harewood and Shelsley /Prescott (and if you have never seen a championship round speed hillclimb you really , really need to ) ,and maybe a VSCC trial (a hoot ) , rallying and Autograss (amazing machines - never seen cars on full opposite lock and doing a wheelie ) . It is all for the doing and I bloody love it - I still get the tingle Derek Warwick describes feeling every time you walk into a paddock .

If anybody is interested in lost venues do get Julian Hunt's wonderful Motorsport Explorer book , detailing the hundreds (800 in fact ) venues which have been and sometime still are used for UK motorsport. In Yorkshire who now remembers racing at Carnaby , Brough or Full Sutton ?

entropy

5,443 posts

203 months

Friday 6th January 2023
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Curborough Sprint Course is well worth a shout. No admission fees but coffee shop deserves its business.

Don't forget about the next generation of drivers in karting. I found myself standing next to Jamie Green at Whilton Mill. He runs his own (modest) team for his bambinoes.