2024: BTCC chat & discussion
Discussion
acer12 said:
I may end up eating my words and I hope that I am wrong, but does anyone else feel that Huff is just a little overrated and all the excitement around his return is going to disappoint. Based on his form of the last 10 years, I really don't expect him being anywhere near title winning positions no matter what car he is in.
Similar journey to Chilton expect Huff is a vastly superior driver (but that itself is not saying a huge amount when the compare is Chilton) but always felt his WTCC title had a lot to do with Yvan's bad luck that year.
I said it back in December, I think Huff will be underwhelming.Similar journey to Chilton expect Huff is a vastly superior driver (but that itself is not saying a huge amount when the compare is Chilton) but always felt his WTCC title had a lot to do with Yvan's bad luck that year.
He’s never wowed in BTCC for me.
emicen said:
I said it back in December, I think Huff will be underwhelming.
He’s never wowed in BTCC for me.
hmm, I think he has only done 1 full season in the BTCC, 2004 . After winning the Seat Cupra Challenge. Alongside Plato as teammate, and won 2 races I believe. Since then he's avoided the BTCC as he raced in the WTCC, including becoming champion in 2012He’s never wowed in BTCC for me.
I think he's maybe done 2 or 3 race meetings in the BTCC since 2004/5. Mostly with privateers, and one off drives.Abd he led one of them before car troubles.
So I think your POV is bobbins.
acer12 said:
I may end up eating my words and I hope that I am wrong, but does anyone else feel that Huff is just a little overrated and all the excitement around his return is going to disappoint. Based on his form of the last 10 years, I really don't expect him being anywhere near title winning positions no matter what car he is in.
I agree. All hail the conquering hero. Remember Andy Priaulx in 2015? At Autosport in January, it was all hail the conquering hero, OMG, we're not worthy, Andy Priaulx in the BTCC!He got a few podiums and finished 8th in the championship, which was very creditable, but certainly didn't set the championship alight.
Is it not reflective of how good the front drivers in BTCC are, that top drivers such as Rob Huff and Andy Priaulx join the competition but don’t walk off with winning every round?
It’s not that these top drivers are suddenly not great. It’s more likely that the current drivers/teams are very, very good.
It’s not that these top drivers are suddenly not great. It’s more likely that the current drivers/teams are very, very good.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
hmm, I think he has only done 1 full season in the BTCC, 2004 . After winning the Seat Cupra Challenge. Alongside Plato as teammate, and won 2 races I believe. Since then he's avoided the BTCC as he raced in the WTCC, including becoming champion in 2012
I think he's maybe done 2 or 3 race meetings in the BTCC since 2004/5. Mostly with privateers, and one off drives.Abd he led one of them before car troubles.
So I think your POV is bobbins.
He’s a top quality saloon racer he’s done really well in etcc wtcc macau etc he would be a great name to a The BTCC grid which would be a good thing . It all depends how much budget he can find which won’t be easy at the moment …. I’d like to see him on the grid in a competitive car this year. I think he's maybe done 2 or 3 race meetings in the BTCC since 2004/5. Mostly with privateers, and one off drives.Abd he led one of them before car troubles.
So I think your POV is bobbins.
Sebring440 said:
The sticking point on sponsorship clash obviously couldn’t be overcome. BTCC’s loss with be BGT’s gain.rallycross said:
He’s a top quality saloon racer he’s done really well in etcc wtcc macau etc he would be a great name to a The BTCC grid which would be a good thing . It all depends how much budget he can find which won’t be easy at the moment …. I’d like to see him on the grid in a competitive car this year.
not sure he brings money, he's a pro driver and has been paid to race since 2004. Things may of course have changed and he's desperate to drive in the BTCC and has a sponsor, but I suspect, the drive will be funded by whatever excess the other drivers bring to their programmesDynion Araf Uchaf said:
I suspect, the drive will be funded by whatever excess the other drivers bring to their programmes
That's not how it works. Other drivers are not going to subsidise Huff. All the deals are as tight as a drum. There is no "excess". Why would a driver agree to their hard-earned sponsorship money going to another competitor?Sebring440 said:
That's not how it works. Other drivers are not going to subsidise Huff. All the deals are as tight as a drum. There is no "excess". Why would a driver agree to their hard-earned sponsorship money going to another competitor?
Do they itemise the contracts to the level that something like that would show? I always thought it was common practise that some drivers paid more than others.Sebring440 said:
I agree. All hail the conquering hero. Remember Andy Priaulx in 2015? At Autosport in January, it was all hail the conquering hero, OMG, we're not worthy, Andy Priaulx in the BTCC!
He got a few podiums and finished 8th in the championship, which was very creditable, but certainly didn't set the championship alight.
He got more than a few podiums. He had two wins and from memory got pole in the first race of the season. 2nd highest BMW as well despite missing Rockingham entirely. Seeing that he hadn't driven a touring car in a good few years I thought it was an excellent season personally.He got a few podiums and finished 8th in the championship, which was very creditable, but certainly didn't set the championship alight.
It was certainly good enough to get him a career with the Ford GT programme.
Sebring440 said:
That's not how it works. Other drivers are not going to subsidise Huff. All the deals are as tight as a drum. There is no "excess". Why would a driver agree to their hard-earned sponsorship money going to another competitor?
incorrect.Drivers pay different amounts to race in the same formula as another driver, indeed they pay different amounts to race in the same team!
Cammish and Sutton probably keep any sponsorship raised to give them an income, Nick Halstead pays more than Tom Ingram.
It's a sellers market ( teams win) so the person that gets the drive is the one that raises the most money, or raises enough money to match the value of their experience.
It is therefore entirely possible that the deals that are being put to the other drivers in Huffs potential team have enough in them to fund a car for Huff as well. It's probably why it's taking as long as it is for Huff to be confirmed, because the demands are high, or a second tier driver with slightly less money is available and waiting for the first choice driver to either find the money or give up.
It's been going on for years, plenty of examples of teams subsidising drivers for a mutual benefit such as perceived competitiveness. And even if it isn't this years drivers, it'll be from the profits made from last years drivers or do you think that there is one price for all
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
or do you think that there is one price for all
There may not be one price for all, but you can bet that Andrew Watson (MB Motorsport) and Cook/Moffat are not subsidising Huff! As has been stated earlier, he's brought a substantial sponsor with him (which has already been announced), so whether Huff gets paid from the deal is between him and his sponsors.Speed Badger said:
Isn't the 'amateur' driver subsidising the pro found more in GT racing rather than BTCC?
Anyway, let's not get too bogged down in all the financial details of driver's contracts etc, it's all rather boring.
To you maybe but some of us are interested in that stuff. Just because it's more common in GT doesn't preclude it happening elsewhere.Anyway, let's not get too bogged down in all the financial details of driver's contracts etc, it's all rather boring.
It's not as though there's anything else going on in BTCC land to discuss.
GlobalRacer said:
Speed Badger said:
Isn't the 'amateur' driver subsidising the pro found more in GT racing rather than BTCC?
Anyway, let's not get too bogged down in all the financial details of driver's contracts etc, it's all rather boring.
To you maybe but some of us are interested in that stuff. Just because it's more common in GT doesn't preclude it happening elsewhere.Anyway, let's not get too bogged down in all the financial details of driver's contracts etc, it's all rather boring.
It's not as though there's anything else going on in BTCC land to discuss.
Team HARD are back?!
Slimmed down 2-car entry for 2024....
https://www.btcc.net/2024/03/04/hard-work-continue...
Slimmed down 2-car entry for 2024....
https://www.btcc.net/2024/03/04/hard-work-continue...
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