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mutley

3,178 posts

260 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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Trackside said:
Paul Dishman said:
Trackside said:
Can't wait! Anybody know yet if the wonderful officials of Silverstone will actually let us spectators take our cars in this time?


The rumour is that they won't

Unbelievable! They really don't want us there, do they...

But public don't take their cars into the circuit at a major event, never have done. This doesn't mean they don't want spectators, you just have to walk in. I have to at other tracks around Europe, so why should Silverstone be different?

monkeyhanger

9,198 posts

243 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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mutley said:

But public don't take their cars into the circuit at a major event, never have done. This doesn't mean they don't want spectators, you just have to walk in. I have to at other tracks around Europe, so why should Silverstone be different?


The 3 people that attend might just need somewhere to sleep / shelter other than in the grandstand. It would be nice if they sold car passes for those that plan to stay the whole 24 hours.

You never know, it might just double the crowd.

vim fuego

2,198 posts

222 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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mutley said:
Trackside said:
Paul Dishman said:
Trackside said:
Can't wait! Anybody know yet if the wonderful officials of Silverstone will actually let us spectators take our cars in this time?


The rumour is that they won't

Unbelievable! They really don't want us there, do they...

But public don't take their cars into the circuit at a major event, never have done. This doesn't mean they don't want spectators, you just have to walk in. I have to at other tracks around Europe, so why should Silverstone be different?


silverstone racing club members can take their cars into the circuit and park behind the club building or anywhere else for that matter

Trackside

1,777 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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monkeyhanger said:
mutley said:

But public don't take their cars into the circuit at a major event, never have done. This doesn't mean they don't want spectators, you just have to walk in. I have to at other tracks around Europe, so why should Silverstone be different?


The 3 people that attend might just need somewhere to sleep / shelter other than in the grandstand. It would be nice if they sold car passes for those that plan to stay the whole 24 hours.

You never know, it might just double the crowd.



We had this whole discussion / argument with another PHer last year who seemed to think that we were demanding some sort of God-given right to take our cars in. In reality, anyone who actually attended last year's 24 Hours and stayed for the entire duration, like me, would have really welcomed being able to park up within the centre of the circuit. It would have afforded us a damn sight more comfort and given us a much more accessible 'base' in which to leave stuff we didn't want to lug around the whole time, especially as it was pi55ing down for the whole race.

As has been mentioned before, there were, I believe, a grand total of 93 paying spectators last year. Hardly going to overcrowd the joint with cars, are we?

VETTE_1978

3,239 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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Is there a difference between the Birtcar and Le Mans? Why should we be allowed to take our cars in to the circuit? At Le Mans you park next to where you camp and the car stays there all the race, you stumble off watch some racing, have some beers and then if you've had enough fall asleep and get robbed by a pikey or go back to the tent. Why should Silverstone be any different?

It'd be very nice to be able to park trackside but this just adds to the hassles with marshalling and could end up with folk driving all over the shop.

Graham

16,368 posts

285 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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mutley said:

Unbelievable! They really don't want us there, do they...

But public don't take their cars into the circuit at a major event, never have done. This doesn't mean they don't want spectators, you just have to walk in. I have to at other tracks around Europe, so why should Silverstone be different?[/quote]


From memory there aint many other 24h races in the uk so nothing to really compair it with....

At Le Mans you can get your car inside the cicuit if you buy the right ticket, and lm also has good facilities outside the circuit. Silversone has fields.

Im sure silverstone are missing out on revenue by not selling car park passes for spectators and also putting people off going, as the chances of some bad weather are very high. Its also not as if they dont have plenty of events with camping all over the circuit. some of the car parks even have electrical hookups !!!


Still I'll be tucked up on the pit wall/ pit garage unless someones got a few k they want to give me and ill be driving but it would be nice to see some spectators..

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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VETTE_1978 said:
Is there a difference between the Birtcar and Le Mans? Why should we be allowed to take our cars in to the circuit? At Le Mans you park next to where you camp and the car stays there all the race, you stumble off watch some racing, have some beers and then if you've had enough fall asleep and get robbed by a pikey or go back to the tent. Why should Silverstone be any different?

It'd be very nice to be able to park trackside but this just adds to the hassles with marshalling and could end up with folk driving all over the shop.


you *must* be having a laugh??

Last year was a joke, nobody is going to park 1+ miles away and trudge in for this, it's bad enoguh whe it's dry, but last yet was just miserable, we had to have a guy doing nothing else but shuttle people from the padock to the car parks....

if you look at how much space there is in the cct, there is just no excuse for not having parking inside (assuming properly organised) then people can take stuff with them, (Cool boxes/cloths/wet gear/etc).

what the hell has this to do with marshalling the cct? we are not suggesting they park in the marshals posts etc....

skid solo

324 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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I emailed Silverstone circuits yesterday asking about the spectator car parking arrangements for the race.

The response :-
Hi

I have checked with our Event Manager and you will be able to drive in although not into the centre areas.

Many thanks and I hope you enjoy the event.

Sheila


I presume this means we can at least get behind the grandstands and be able to drive to Stowe/Club etc. Glad they have seen sense and hopefully this should bolster the crowd a bit.

VETTE_1978

3,239 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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Scuffers said:
Last year was a joke, nobody is going to park 1+ miles away and trudge in for this...


So don't go then. My point is that I don't expect to be able to bring my car into the circuit. I'm camping 200m from Becketts/Copse/Grandstand so it's not a huge ball ache going back to the tent. The ability to drive my car inside the track is not going to determine whether I go or not. If it does, then stay at home and put your feet up.

My point about marshalling is that you need people on hand to tell you where you can and can't drive. It simply removes another headache if you don't have people driving inside the circuit.

Truckosaurus

11,329 posts

285 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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I notice on the writeup of yesterday's launch events upon the DailySportscar site, there is mention of needing a voucher to gain entry to the 24hr meeting at a discounted price.

Any one got any ideas where you'd get one?

VETTE_1978

3,239 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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It's on the EERC website, follow the trail from silverstone, to the Britcar site and it's amongst the 'news' items.

ahonen

5,017 posts

280 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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VETTE_1978 said:
Scuffers said:
Last year was a joke, nobody is going to park 1+ miles away and trudge in for this...


So don't go then.




I've a feeling Simon might go anyway, especially as he's entered two cars in the race...

VETTE_1978

3,239 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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Which cars? I'll be sure to give them a wave from under my brolly!! We should be easy to spot if the crowds are as thin as last years sounded.

So are any of the entries going to be adorned with PH stickers so we can spot some of the folks off here?

ahonen

5,017 posts

280 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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VETTE_1978 said:
Which cars? I'll be sure to give them a wave from under my brolly!! We should be easy to spot if the crowds are as thin as last years sounded.

So are any of the entries going to be adorned with PH stickers so we can spot some of the folks off here?


I think he's entered both his Prosport 3000 and Lotus Elise and both are a combination of yellow and black.

Might ask Ted if we can have a PH sticker for our Mosler, though it should be pretty easy to spot as one of only two in the race - and it's not the green one.

Trackside

1,777 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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VETTE_1978 said:
So are any of the entries going to be adorned with PH stickers so we can spot some of the folks off here?

HenryF's 911Virgin.com and the Topcats Marcoses have normally got PH stickers on them. Also there used to be a green Civic Type-R in Production S1 with several PH stickers on it, but I don't remember seeing it for a while...

Ahonen, best of luck with the 'other' Mosler. Yours should glow in the dark with that dayglo orange paint!

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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VETTE_1978 said:
Scuffers said:
Last year was a joke, nobody is going to park 1+ miles away and trudge in for this...


So don't go then. My point is that I don't expect to be able to bring my car into the circuit. I'm camping 200m from Becketts/Copse/Grandstand so it's not a huge ball ache going back to the tent. The ability to drive my car inside the track is not going to determine whether I go or not. If it does, then stay at home and put your feet up.

My point about marshalling is that you need people on hand to tell you where you can and can't drive. It simply removes another headache if you don't have people driving inside the circuit.



With all due....

I think you are missing the point *massively*

if you want people to watch motorsport, you need to make it easy and accesable to them. this is NOT the F1 GP we are talking about, if we get 10,000 it would be a major result.

Silverstone has enough in-field car parking for at least 2-3,000 cars (assuming it's organised) and god knows how much space around the outside of the stands before you get to the mail off-site car parks.

we NEED the people to come and watch, people in the gate means MONEY in the gate, means reduced costs for *all* of us (if you know how much it costs to run a car you might just get the point, having paid Mr Tucker some £6,700 so far just in entry fees and this is just the tip of a LARGE iceburg of costs).


PS. if somebody (Ted??) would like to funnish me with some pistonhead stickers I am sure I can find a space for them.....


Edited by Scuffers on Thursday 17th August 19:28

MrChristian

71 posts

218 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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Just read my Autosport - out dropped a leaflet for the FREE entry into Donnington for the World Renault bash - the same weekend as the Willhire!! This was well attended last year, allied to the Euro Finals at Santa Pod at the same period (good access / parking & camping) - seems Joe Public will have another tough call to make as to where to watch motorsport again. Keep the Willhire family friendly - do not put obsticals in the way (again).

henry-f

4,791 posts

246 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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I don`t see the problem in allowing cars into the circuit. A club meetings every other circuit allows cars in. Snetterton people park up and watch, Oulton, Donnington allows access to the inside of the circuit (there isn`t any space by the paddock), Brands allows parking between Graham Hill and Surtees on the outside of the track.

There is a load of available space both inside the circuit and outside. We are not going to get a hundred thousand people a-la F1, it should be a doddle. If necessary charge a premium "camping" rate for entry into the circuit. There are excellent toilet facilities dotted all round the track. The reason Le Mans works is because you can park up, set your camp then walk up a bank or a few yards and watch some racing. You can hear what`s going on via the radio and when ever necessary pop back to your base for 40 winks.

The fact that Silverstone caters for hundreds of thousands of spectators means, by definition, that the car parking is a long way from the track / paddock. What about using the club straight for instance. A great bit stip of black stuff going spare to park on.

There is even the BRDC ghost town. Grandstands, parking.... Oh no , sorry I forgot who they were for a minute there. They even try to charge drivers 5 quid to use the empty grandstand for 10 minutes during a club meeting!

I`m not sure why the circuit is averse to allowing decent access, there must be a reason, just not sure what. It really could be a great event with all the car clubs having their own campsites and driving to the event in convoy just like Le Mans. The locals even speak English and you don`t need a passport.

Henry

monkeyhanger

9,198 posts

243 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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Excellent point re Oulton Park et al and Club meets.

They're a pleasure to visit when there's a smallish crowd and you can move around with the car when the weather turns nasty. I'm sure many here remember the Britcar meeting at Oulton back in April....the one with the Hailstones hehe

I moved around the circuit with the car quite a bit that day. In spite of the weather i enjoyed it a lot and got some cracking wet weather shots.

I can guarantee you if it starts tossing down overnight during the 24 hours, any trip back to the car-park will result in me going out of the gate.

Silverstone is NOT the world's most spectator-friendly circuit. They need to remember that.

Edited by monkeyhanger on Thursday 17th August 20:53

vette_1978

3,239 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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Scuffers said:


With all due....

I think you are missing the point *massively*


I get it, but I'm just saying that car parking isn't a consideration of mine when deciding whether to attend an event. Any weekend events that I've been to have always involved camping and the cars always stayed on the site, A1GP, F1, LM. The last time we were at Silverstone we parked outside and with the new car parks I'd assume you could park just by the main entrance.

If allowing infield parking brings in a few more folk and helps you out cost wise then I'm all for it. I'd much rather have a nice secure spot to park the car and drive round at night, but I'm also content wandering round and taking things as they come.

I'm booked in for all 3 days so will keep an eye out for your motors. All the best!!!