How many races until Schumacher has/does one of his "stunts"

To me it looked like a reckless manoeuvre to save a point and keep his job.

so glad RB didnt crash there... some real bad blood between the two but that doesnt excuse such a move either...

i think RB will just back on stage with FM and sing some more songs about schuey!!

That's just guessing but as Schumacher had already made his 1 allowed move across the track and then moved back across to take force RB again then my view would be different.

Alex Wurz's opinion was pretty damning so it wasn't a huge surprise that the stewards handed out that penalty. But he is having an awful season as it is so a 10 place grid drop isn't really the end of the world to him.

It's all down to personal opinions which is why this debate will run and run for the next 3 weeks but it has ironically taken the heat off Ferrari!

Fair point, but the amount of protection is a judgement made at the time. Applying retrospective standards of today and how it affects driving, to those of yesteryear is a bit unfair to past drivers.

What I find moronic is someone who thinks the two incidents are of the same form. (In other words, excellent, I got a bite! )

Look at the footage of Estoril '88, carefully this time. Prost and Senna moved in effective unison toward the wall. Once Prost was alongside, Senna conceeded the place and his progression toward the wall, fortunately just enough.

Senna did not tempt Prost into the overtake, let him get alongside, and then CONTINUE to push him toward the wall, as schumi did today. Wall or not, Senna did not run Prost out of track with the intention of running him out of track in order to stop the pass.

^ Difference number 1.

Today Rubens was simply lucky the pit wall ended where it did, or he'd have been in it, as Schumi was still moving over on him and shoving him into the pit lane where the wall had ended. The gap between Prost and the wall was still about half a cars' width, or a couple of feet, with about another foot or so between the two cars. Rubens was down to just a few inches, or less, on both sides.

^ Difference number 2.

This is what must be the 6th time Schumi has deliberately run someone out of road. Crucially, this seems to be a standard part of Schumi's defensive arsenal, whereas for Senna it was a one-time occurance, despite him having several other opportunities to do this again. That indicates different mindsets between Senna and Schumi as well.

^ Difference number 3.

While net result was *similar*, but not the same, the clear intent were worlds apart, so perhaps you need to be a bit less biased against Senna? Than making a roundabout justification that Senna does the same, and somehow splitting the blame making Schumi no so oustandingly bad.

Senna could claim a mistake for his move, as there were 8-9 frames (it blurrs between frames so this is 8.5 frames) - 25fps/8.5 = 1/3 of a second (1/3 of a second is considered acceptable human reaction time for athletes, but not thinking time). Schumi had several seconds to think about his action and can never claim mistake, only deliberate measured and considered intent.

^ Difference number 4.

I'm not condoning either as a safe move or justly repeatable action (which I note, Senna never repeated* even with merely grass being at the edge of the track), but they are not in the same league.

• except perhaps Germany '91 on Prost again, but that was more akin to Hamilton on Fisichella or Webber at Monza '08 - still room for car and no progressive action to run the other off the road - the line was straight and true. And anyway my interpretation is that Prost deliberately made a meal of it for political purposes, given his post-race 'speech'.

Not exactly, Schumacher has been found guilty of illegally blocking an overtaking move and punishment has been handed out so there isn't any debate and I expect it will all be over very soon now as a discussion topic.

Perhaps because he didn't think that even the Great Mr. M S couldn't be such a ?

I'd never let the fear of being called a troll get in the way of a good Schmacker cussing.

Excusing Senna's actions? No, pointing out the differences between his one move and Schumi's one-of-several.

It also seems that for, Difference number 5, barring a 'shopped image, Rubens was actually made physical contact with the wall, leaving tyre marks.

I don't even think he was worried about a wcp or his job which makes it even worse. If that were the case then he should definitely get dropped from the team now but I doubt that will happen.

It looked to me to be one of the most dangerous blocking/shutting the door maneuver's I've seen but it also pushed them into the pit exit and it could have been 3 racers injured/killed plus bystanders.

In your opinion.

All I have seen is a BBC choreographed demolition of Schumacher by people who, at their best, were worse than he is now.

IMO Barrichello was so surprised to find himself, after all these years, able to compete with Schumacher that he forgot which side to go.

I'm not a massive formula one fan even less of a Shuee fan but in both cases I can stand back and admire the talent, the engineering and the sheer prowess of engineering and sport at the cutting edge.

Today I witnessed an appalling lack of sportmanship and ego desperate to condemn a fellow sportsman to the concrete wall at 170mph+.....

You lost respect my respect today Schumacher - I can watch yob's like you on Police Camera Action every night. I don't care how brilliant you are or were..... you're no gentleman in my books...very sad.