Severe Engine problems!!
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woolyg said:
Yes, it's probably my only option. I was concerned because the mot had expired and the car had a long standing engine problem. But I could just put it in and see what they say, even if it means paying for a diagnostic check then taking it back out if they aren't going to cover it on the warranty.
You’ll likely wipe out any saving over buying a straight car in the first place. hidetheelephants said:
Still not seeing why getting it reassembled and dumping it with a Kia dealer isn't your 1st priority in life. It's still got warranty.
If the car was still covered by the warranty the car would have been fixed before ending up at Copart. Something has happened to the engine/car that is not covered by warranty would be my guess, and the previous owner got shot.woolyg said:
As I am sure you are well aware most so called professionals don't have a clue how to diagnose a fault and just guess.
Thanks
2 wrongs do not make a right.
And when you've been told they unbolted the exhaust and the problem persists.....that tells you whatever they've read, whatever you were told before, is all BS.
And their terminology is equally BS.
Many wrongs, all wrongs, still don't make a right.
And trying for a remote diagnosis here or anywhere where you cannot give good and valid/accurate information, is just wasting everyone's time.
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hidetheelephants said:
Still not seeing why getting it reassembled and dumping it with a Kia dealer isn't your 1st priority in life. It's still got warranty.
If the car was still covered by the warranty the car would have been fixed before ending up at Copart. Something has happened to the engine/car that is not covered by warranty would be my guess, and the previous owner got shot.woolyg said:
The car has been diagnosed, it has 1bar exhaust gas back pressure, no other faults, codes etc and will only start with easystart and is very rough when it does.
So does the 1bar back pressure disappear when you use easystart ?Edited by woolyg on Saturday 30th March 09:08
Edited by pinchmeimdreamin on Saturday 30th March 09:48
woolyg said:
Are you always so angry?? If not and you just think I am wasting your time why do you keep posting, life is to short just move on, if you have got any productive advise please stay!
The car has been diagnosed, it has 1bar exhaust gas back pressure, no other faults, codes etc and will only start with easystart and is very rough when it does.
Maybe its my own fault writing such a long OP.
The reason I never took it to the dealer is because I bought it from an auction and it is highly likely that it has already been there, I bought the car understanding this and is why I have not took it back the dealer, yes I could take it back for further diagnostics.
you clearly do not understand despite it having been spelt out for you.The car has been diagnosed, it has 1bar exhaust gas back pressure, no other faults, codes etc and will only start with easystart and is very rough when it does.
Maybe its my own fault writing such a long OP.
The reason I never took it to the dealer is because I bought it from an auction and it is highly likely that it has already been there, I bought the car understanding this and is why I have not took it back the dealer, yes I could take it back for further diagnostics.
Edited by woolyg on Saturday 30th March 09:08
That diagnosis is meaningless BS.
Even more so for anyone so suggest your engine pressure, which has now changed to exhaust gas back pressure being 1 bar...on a car that does not run.
See the problem here ? misinformation everywhere.
Of course, is that 1 bar atmospheric or gauge pressure ? Seeing as atmospheric pressure is 1 bar. And it would only take a 3 year old a few minutes to perform some basic checks to verify if any such pressure readings are sensible.
If you or anyone is asking for a remote diagnosis.....we need sensible and useful information.
GIGO.
This simple truth seems to upset and offend so many here. So strange.
If it runs on easy start then its most likely a fuel problem of some sort, easy start is basically a more combustible fuel. also 1 bar exhaust pressure doesnt sound like it would stop it running, the gas coming out the engine is many times that.
I think the diagnosis of high pressure maybe a red herring
Are the injectors getting fuel at the right pressure? this is where i would be looking first
I think the diagnosis of high pressure maybe a red herring
Are the injectors getting fuel at the right pressure? this is where i would be looking first
woolyg said:
To the best of my knowledge kia dealerships arent linked, but it would worth a try, thanks
I would be astounded if their or any car makers database/system is not linked for warranty work.Otherwise it would be a nightmare/impossible for the manufacturer to handle/monitor warranties.
woolyg said:
The car has been diagnosed, it has 1bar exhaust gas back pressure, no other faults, codes etc and will only start with easystart and is very rough when it does.
That diagnosis makes no sense. The fact you think it does, just reinforces the fact that you are not competent to diagnose or fix the problem yourself, and you are not providing enough information for anyone else to diagnose it. You're wasting your own time, and everyone else's, by pretending that anything you post here is going to result in a diagnosis.Either take the car to somebody competent and have them diagnose the fault, or sell the car; those are your sensible options.
woolyg said:
Yes very good point and certainly a good place to start, I certainly require much more useful information to help get closer to the problem.
My concern is if I put the car into Kia for a diagnostic check, how deep will they actually go? I would like to hope they would go further than just plugging a computer into it and trying to diagnose it from there.
Thanks again.
What exactly do you think a Kia dealer would do? Plugging in the diagnostic machine and working from there is exactly how they should be doing it! My concern is if I put the car into Kia for a diagnostic check, how deep will they actually go? I would like to hope they would go further than just plugging a computer into it and trying to diagnose it from there.
Thanks again.
First check - battery ok? Dash alive? Then does it crank / sound ok when cranking? That’s an easy 1 minute then look at diagnostics. What does the car say is wrong with it? Could be immobiliser fault, communications fault, missing volts somewhere none of which will necessarily show on a simple OBD code reader but will on a proper scan tool.
This ‘back pressure’ is probably DPF differential pressure- yes it could be a blocked DPF, or exhaust, or faulty pressure sensor or wiring….. another couple of minutes looking at live data.
Anything else is just guessing.
LordLoveLength said:
Anything else is just guessing.
All of it is just guessing. The diagnosis that's being suggested is illogical. The symptoms do not suggest that exhaust backpressure is the problem. It needs a proper diagnosis by somebody competent. Anything else is a waste of time.GreenV8S said:
LordLoveLength said:
Anything else is just guessing.
All of it is just guessing. The diagnosis that's being suggested is illogical. The symptoms do not suggest that exhaust backpressure is the problem. It needs a proper diagnosis by somebody competent. Anything else is a waste of time.Identified as such by having just a single pipe to the DPF. These should measure 1 bar normally which would be another indication that the whole ‘back pressure’ thing is the problem when, in fact, it’s fine!
OP - why not pay for a mobile diagnosis by someone competent/ properly equipped. Be cheaper than towing to a Kia dealer.
woolyg said:
The whole car diagnosis market is probably full of people who don't really know what they are doing or how to read live data.
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But buying equipment yourself to read it, and not understand either....just doesn't seem a sensible approach either.
The vehicle should be under warranty, so first port of call should be with Kia, to find out why it has not been warranted by someone.
To all those saying the car will be under warranty its possible it isn't, if the servicing hasn't been done according to schedule it's highly likely it won't be, and if its been sat in copart for a while it'll be doubtful it will be.
Something is amiss, why was it in copart with only 19k on it? Its more likely its completely shafted, hence the reason its there, buying something from there comes with a lot of risk, a lot of cars are doctored and not what they seem.
Something is amiss, why was it in copart with only 19k on it? Its more likely its completely shafted, hence the reason its there, buying something from there comes with a lot of risk, a lot of cars are doctored and not what they seem.
Edited by Jazoli on Saturday 30th March 17:31
Jazoli said:
To all those saying the car will be under warranty its possible it isn't, if the servicing hasn't been done according to schedule it's highly likely it won't be, and if its been sat in copart for a while it'll be doubtful it will be.
Something is amiss, why was it in copart with only 19k on it? Its more likely its completely shafted, hence the reason its there, buying something from there comes with a lot of risk, a lot of cars are doctored and not what they seem.
That bullsSomething is amiss, why was it in copart with only 19k on it? Its more likely its completely shafted, hence the reason its there, buying something from there comes with a lot of risk, a lot of cars are doctored and not what they seem.
t excuse was tossed out by the courts decades ago. They would have to prove that whatever schedule infarction directly caused the fault. It might well have already been tossed out by Kia UK, but at the moment the OP is spinning himself jackanory, as are all of us.hidetheelephants said:
Jazoli said:
To all those saying the car will be under warranty its possible it isn't, if the servicing hasn't been done according to schedule it's highly likely it won't be, and if its been sat in copart for a while it'll be doubtful it will be.
Something is amiss, why was it in copart with only 19k on it? Its more likely its completely shafted, hence the reason its there, buying something from there comes with a lot of risk, a lot of cars are doctored and not what they seem.
That bullsSomething is amiss, why was it in copart with only 19k on it? Its more likely its completely shafted, hence the reason its there, buying something from there comes with a lot of risk, a lot of cars are doctored and not what they seem.
t excuse was tossed out by the courts decades ago. They would have to prove that whatever schedule infarction directly caused the fault. It might well have already been tossed out by Kia UK, but at the moment the OP is spinning himself jackanory, as are all of us.woolyg said:
The car has a full service history
woolyg said:
It was a mobile diagnostic technician, who was both recommended and had good reviews who diagnosed the 1 bar back pressure and there after he diagnosed the DPF as the likely problem, I neither agreed nor disagreed with his prognosis it was just his opinion and I wanted to rule it out, he gave me no other possible causes, he was quite adamant it was the DPF.
I sincerely hope it wasn’t a prognosis!Gassing Station | Engines & Drivetrain | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff