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RichB

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Armen said:
RichB said:
Why do people object so vehemently to Aston using the name Vanquish for what will be the top of the range car?
A pure lack of imagination
To me, there is only one and unique Vanquish
That doesn't answer it, though. To say it was unique is obvious, it was the first Aston called a Vanquish but I just don't get why people are getting sniffy about the top end model being called a Vanquish? Serious question... confused

Edited by RichB on Sunday 3rd June 15:10

RichB

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George H said:
Imagine Ferrari calling their next supercar the F40, wouldn't go down well..
That's a number not a name and displays a total lack of imagination F40, F50, F60, F70, F75, F100 etc. ad nausium. Still don't get what's wrong with using an iconic mark name, many manufactures do this.
Is it that people do not consider this car 'worthy' of being a Vanquish? Which is odd because no one has driven it yet. Would people have been happy to see the One-77 called a Vanquish? Is it that current owners of Vanquish like the exclsivity? Just curious.

Edited by RichB on Sunday 3rd June 15:08

George H

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RichB said:
hat's a number not a name. That display a total lack of imagination F40, F50, F60 etc. ad nausium. Still don't get what's wrong with using an iconic mark name. Many manufactures do this.
Ok I get the point about letters and numbers not really being the same as a name - i.e. M3 can be repeated from model to model without any issues. However, when it's a name like 'Vanquish' or 'Miura' etc then I think they should be retired when the car stops being produced. Leave it as an icon instead of trying to recreate it, it will never be as good as the original.

PieterA

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George H said:
Ok I get the point about letters and numbers not really being the same as a name - i.e. M3 can be repeated from model to model without any issues. However, when it's a name like 'Vanquish' or 'Miura' etc then I think they should be retired when the car stops being produced. Leave it as an icon instead of trying to recreate it, it will never be as good as the original.
Exactly. Also Ferrari gives most of its cars, apart from its unique number related to the engine specs, a sort of surname like Fiorano, Scaglietti, Challenge Stradale, Tour de France, etc.

The Vanquish was very iconic, not that old at all, and still is instantaniously recognisable as such.

RichB

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George H said:
Ok I get the point about letters and numbers not really being the same as a name - i.e. M3 can be repeated from model to model without any issues. However, when it's a name like 'Vanquish' or 'Miura' etc then I think they should be retired when the car stops being produced. Leave it as an icon instead of trying to recreate it, it will never be as good as the original.
OK, I see what you mean about Miura, Diablo... So you want something like Aston Martin Venom or Aston Martin Vulcan or even better Vulcano (it's an Island as opposed to a Volcano which takes it's name from the island - I just Googled it ) wink

Edited by RichB on Sunday 3rd June 15:26

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Armen

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RichB said:
OK, I see what you mean about Miura, Diablo... So you want something like Aston Martin Venom or Aston Martin Vulcan even wink
Yes, an other name would be better

Yet, nothing is officially confirmed by Aston concerning the name

Ice27

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A manufacturer can't just use any name. They will only own the rights to a few. Choosing to start your family of cars with a V will also limit your choice. Autocar considered Vignale as a name from Astons past.

But it looks like Vanquish. Personally, I don't have an issue with it.

jonby

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RichB said:
Armen said:
RichB said:
Why do people object so vehemently to Aston using the name Vanquish for what will be the top of the range car?
A pure lack of imagination
To me, there is only one and unique Vanquish
That doesn't answer it, though. To say it was unique is obvious, it was the first Aston called a Vanquish but I just don't get why people are getting sniffy about the top end model being called a Vanquish? Serious question... confused

Edited by RichB on Sunday 3rd June 15:10
Depends on the history of the model/marque

Ford bring out a new Fiesta/Mondeo/etc every 5-8 yrs keeping the same name and often, the new model has nil connection with the one it replaces, but everyone gets used to understanding where that name fits in the range and it's purpose, so it's happily accepted

BMW or Mercedes do something similar with 3 series, E class, etc but it's normally an evolution of shape, even if it's all new under the skin

But that more rarely happens with sports/super cars, as with some of the examples given above, partly to give credence to the idea it's totally new and partly because a high percentage of the cars survive and become classics, so it's easy to understand which one you are talking about just by it;s name without having to refer to the year

Aston seem to have a real mish mash of strategies in relation to name. Vantage used to be like an 'S" model, such as the DB6 Vantage and the original V8 Vantage. Then Vantage more recently was launched as a model name in it's own right. DBS was the successor to DB6, then it became sort of a model all in it's own right, albeit heavily based on DB9. As I say, a real mish mash of a policy

Vanquish was really pretty different to DB9 and was a one off for many, including me. To bring it back it now in this way just seems odd and is actuall y playing on former glory, trying to give prestige for this new car based on the huge affection held for old Vanquish. They should have the balls to give it a new new name IMO

The flip side to the argument is that if base GT replacement is not a de blinged 310, then I suppose it becomes similar to when you had DB9 and Vanquish which were two differently shaped V12 2+2s with one significantly more 'special' than the other, so there is some logic to support the idea I suppose


Zod

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There is so much crap being spouted on this thread on the basis of a few photos.

The reality is that one who've seen the car liked it. You can also have any body part painted or in naked CF. As they said at Gaydon, you can make the car as classic or as bling as you like.


RichB

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jonby said:
... Vantage used to be like an 'S" model, such as the DB6 Vantage and the original V8 Vantage. Then Vantage more recently was launched as a model name in it's own right...
First used as long ago as 1951 for the DB2 in Vantage spec. Incidentally I didn't realise it had been used as a model name, are you thinking of the V8 Vantage? I'd suggest that's it being used as a suffix to V8... Agree on you thoughts though.

I would name it the Aston Martin Venturer after the Western Diesel Hydraulic locomotoves of the early 1960s D1005 'Western Venturer' was one of my favorites. smile

DB9VolanteDriver

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How about Aston Martin Vanguard ?

Armen

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Vanguard would be great

AWV12

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Come on guys, don't worry too much about the name of this car....the people who worry about this, are maybe even more "marketeers" then the marketeers at Gaydon..... (think about that for a while) smile

Both the Vantage and DBS names are "revived" by AM the last decade, and what's wrong with that?

It is very easy:
V8 Vantage => ???
DB9 => Virage
DBS => Vanquish (if the pic was not leaked intentionally)
And the One-76 is/remains the top of the line car

Most important of course is the car itself (how does it look, how is the performance, how is the interior, etc), it can not be true imho that your opinion will change, if they put another name tag on it.......but if so, I am sure Works Service is willing to change the name tag for you at "reasonable price" smile

BTW, I ALWAYS remove the name tags of my cars, so no Vantage on my V8V, and no DBS shown on my DBS, it not only looks better (more balanced rear) but then you can also give it your own name if you want smile



RichB

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AWV12 said:
I ALWAYS remove the name tags of my cars, so no Vantage on my V8V, and no DBS shown on my DBS, it not only looks better (more balanced rear) but then you can also give it your own name if you want smile
Yes my Aston is called Ruby.

jonby

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RichB said:
jonby said:
... Vantage used to be like an 'S" model, such as the DB6 Vantage and the original V8 Vantage. Then Vantage more recently was launched as a model name in it's own right...
First used as long ago as 1951 for the DB2 in Vantage spec. Incidentally I didn't realise it had been used as a model name, are you thinking of the V8 Vantage? I'd suggest that's it being used as a suffix to V8... Agree on you thoughts though.

I would name it the Aston Martin Venturer after the Western Diesel Hydraulic locomotoves of the early 1960s D1005 'Western Venturer' was one of my favorites. smile
As you say, VAntage as a performance spec derivative has been used many times from the early days. Then, after the original DBS went to a V8 (it had a 6 cylinder engine at launch), they launched a 6 cylinder version simply called 'Vantage'. It shows how much of a mish mash the policy is that from having used Vantage as the high performance indicator, they then used it as the base version of the DBS, yet now DBS is the high performance version of the DB9 and Vantage is on a completely different car. Certainly that Vantage from the early 70s had no other element to the name and was simply called Vantage

Maybe I'm wrong, but I had also assumed people thought of the current V8 Vantage as using 'Vantage' to indicate the shape and effectively being a model name in it''s own right, particularly as there has never been any version of this shape/car not using the name Vantage. But of course you are right, the current car's full name is V8 (or V12) Vantage

RichB

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jonby said:
...after the original DBS went to a V8 (it had a 6 cylinder engine at launch), they launched a 6 cylinder version simply called 'Vantage'. It shows how much of a mish mash the policy is that from having used Vantage as the high performance indicator, they then used it as the base version of the DBS...
Didn't know that, must have slipped under my radar at the time smile

jonby

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RichB said:
jonby said:
...after the original DBS went to a V8 (it had a 6 cylinder engine at launch), they launched a 6 cylinder version simply called 'Vantage'. It shows how much of a mish mash the policy is that from having used Vantage as the high performance indicator, they then used it as the base version of the DBS...
Didn't know that, must have slipped under my radar at the time smile
ha ! told you it wasn't logical......just look at the odd way they re-introduced Virage recently. I' starting to change my mind on whether they use Vanquish on 310 - other than DB2/4/5/6/9, they have such an oddball strategy or perhaps more pertinently, lack of it, I guess it's in keeping............
I do wonder what will happen in 20 yrs time though, when people refer to Vanquish, DBS, V8 Vantage, etc how on earth will people know what they are talking about ? At least with the 911 (993, 996, 997, etc)or say a Mercedes E class (W***), they are referred to by chassis designation - with AM, other than year of manufacture, it will get quite difficult.......

RichB

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jonby said:
...it will get quite difficult...
hehe I'm used to that. Try explaining that your car is the model before the DB4 known as a DB MkIII (note Roman numerals). Not, as Fleming incorrectly called it, a DB III and certainly not a DB3 because that was a racing car which followed the DB2 and also raced at Le Mans and became the DB2/4 with Vantage and Marks II and III versions... biglaugh

jonby

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RichB said:
jonby said:
...it will get quite difficult...
hehe I'm used to that. Try explaining that your car is the model before the DB4 known as a DB MkIII (note Roman numerals). Not, as Fleming incorrectly called it, a DB III and certainly not a DB3 because that was a racing car which followed the DB2 and also raced at Le Mans and became the DB2/4 with Vantage and Marks II and III versions... biglaugh
proves the point ! :-)
Just had a look at yours in your garage - looks stunning

Riccardino

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RichB said:
OK, I see what you mean about Miura, Diablo... So you want something like Aston Martin Venom or Aston Martin Vulcan or even better Vulcano (it's an Island as opposed to a Volcano which takes it's name from the island - I just Googled it ) wink
I like Vulcano

PS: Volcano (in italian Vulcanolike the island) does not take the name from the island but from a mitological God Vulcano. The Island (one of the Eolie, close to Sicily) was also named after him as it is was his favourite place (and bythe way there is also a Volcano there).
Wonderful place to visit

I like less Vanguard which sounds like an antivirus for computer
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