The new Vantage?
Discussion
Ghini said:
If they keep the rear, or even keep it close to the current rear of the Vantage, I would be very disappointed and I really think it would hurt the sales.
That’s exactly what happened with DB11/DB12, although we do not yet know how that aspect will affect sales. All the mules (look back at page one of this thread and elsewhere) that have been seen testing seem to have the current rear of new Vantage. And didn’t LS tell us not so long ago that the new cars will be all new but will retain their rear designs? Or was that quote specifically referencing DB12? I’m not sure on that, but I think you may be in for some disappointment I’m afraid. BRM. I don’t remember seeing it mentioned on here but I read an interview with Stroll a while back and he was quoted as saying there was no place in the Aston lineup for a sub $200,000 car. It was clear he was taking about base price.
The new Vantage base price will be $199,000 in the US. No reason not to take him at his word. (Yeah, I know…but let’s not go I to that.) It’ll have a nicely refreshed interior and a good more grunt. I think most specced cars are hitting that price at this point anyway. Add 20-40K for options and there is your $220-$240K Vantage..still below the OTD price for a Porsche Turbo S and considerably cheaper than any Ferrari.
Aston just needs to find a way to stop the hemorrhaging of residuals like Porsche and Ferrari have.
YMMV
The new Vantage base price will be $199,000 in the US. No reason not to take him at his word. (Yeah, I know…but let’s not go I to that.) It’ll have a nicely refreshed interior and a good more grunt. I think most specced cars are hitting that price at this point anyway. Add 20-40K for options and there is your $220-$240K Vantage..still below the OTD price for a Porsche Turbo S and considerably cheaper than any Ferrari.
Aston just needs to find a way to stop the hemorrhaging of residuals like Porsche and Ferrari have.
YMMV
AlexT said:
Having spoken to a dealer, the DB12 will give a good insight into the path the interior design will follow for the Vantage.
That of course does make commercial sense.
Identical components used in several models.
We saw exactly the same many years ago.
The DBS dashboard was subsequently adopted by the DB9 and the Vantage.
GreasyHands said:
Playbook: Copy Porsche interior, Copy Ferrari pricing.
Yes, except that Porsche is getting rather bullish on their pricing lately, and you might as well use them in both parts of your sentence.Totally agree with your point about residual value - at least Porsche and Ferrari can back up those silly asking prices with even more silly used car prices.
Minglar said:
oilit said:
I also can’t see a new low end model - why waste valuable £££ on r&d or manufacturing space and escaping economies of (some sort of) scale.
I would rather they focused on the 3.5t towing capacity on a now never talked about DBX
The truth is they would do better to just build new specials every year!
We must be long overdue for a v12 vantage zagato successor - or can you not have zagato and amg in the same vehicle ?
I’ll get my coat before I say it……..I would rather they focused on the 3.5t towing capacity on a now never talked about DBX
The truth is they would do better to just build new specials every year!
We must be long overdue for a v12 vantage zagato successor - or can you not have zagato and amg in the same vehicle ?
Edited by oilit on Wednesday 9th August 15:10
Of course you can. Surely it will have to be…….Aston Martin V12 Vantage Zamgato
BRM
What will be left to talk about? I know: No more Aston Martin engines (unless I've missed something major while I've been away). No Aston Martin engine is an automotive tragedy. It means zero interest from me, and many others I know. AM being reduced to a mere buyer of engines -- what a crying shame. When it made its own engines it was, in my eyes, in the same tier as Ferrari. Not any more. And I completely disagree that there is no market for ICE sports cars in this market. The demise of ICE Caymans and Boxsters only increases the demand for an ICE alternative.
GreasyHands said:
I don’t remember seeing it mentioned on here but I read an interview with Stroll a while back and he was quoted as saying there was no place in the Aston lineup for a sub $200,000 car. It was clear he was taking about base price.
The new Vantage base price will be $199,000 in the US. No reason not to take him at his word. (Yeah, I know…but let’s not go I to that.) It’ll have a nicely refreshed interior and a good more grunt. I think most specced cars are hitting that price at this point anyway. Add 20-40K for options and there is your $220-$240K Vantage..still below the OTD price for a Porsche Turbo S and considerably cheaper than any Ferrari.
Aston just needs to find a way to stop the hemorrhaging of residuals like Porsche and Ferrari have.
YMMV
He can list price his cars for whatever he wants, doesn't mean anyone will buy them. The new Vantage base price will be $199,000 in the US. No reason not to take him at his word. (Yeah, I know…but let’s not go I to that.) It’ll have a nicely refreshed interior and a good more grunt. I think most specced cars are hitting that price at this point anyway. Add 20-40K for options and there is your $220-$240K Vantage..still below the OTD price for a Porsche Turbo S and considerably cheaper than any Ferrari.
Aston just needs to find a way to stop the hemorrhaging of residuals like Porsche and Ferrari have.
YMMV
Speedraser said:
What will be left to talk about? I know: No more Aston Martin engines (unless I've missed something major while I've been away). No Aston Martin engine is an automotive tragedy. It means zero interest from me, and many others I know. AM being reduced to a mere buyer of engines -- what a crying shame. When it made its own engines it was, in my eyes, in the same tier as Ferrari. Not any more. And I completely disagree that there is no market for ICE sports cars in this market. The demise of ICE Caymans and Boxsters only increases the demand for an ICE alternative.
What will you do when the battery vehicles arrive (if they ever do in large scale)?
Hardly any motors will then be manufactured by the car makers.
EG. Mercedes-Benz have widely adopted 48 volt mild hybrid motor/generators. They fill in for turbo lag and power some ancillaries.
Those motors are made by Mitsubishi, not M-B.
Here in the UK, there is a protest group called Stop Oil. They never explain their aim for 2030/2040, but if use of oil and gas is to suddenly be completely banned, there will be huge changes to society.
1. All non-electified railway will close, waiting years before the lines can be electrified..
2. Heavy long-distance diesel lorries and coaches will be scrapped, so the present food distribution wil become impossible.
3. Manufacturing industry will not be able to continue without consistent energy supplies.
A mediaeval way of life will have to be adopted.
No one will be buying expensive cars. Almost everyone will have to accept being out of work, hungry, cold and poor.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 10th August 17:57
Jon39 said:
What will you do when the battery vehicles arrive (if they ever do in large scale)?
Hardly any motors will then be manufactured by the car makers.
EG. Mercedes-Benz have widely adopted 48 volt mild hybrid motor/generators. They fill in for turbo lag and power some ancillaries.
Those motors are made by Mitsubishi, not M-B.
Here in the UK, there is a protest group called Stop Oil. They never explain their aim for 2030/2040, but if use of oil and gas is to suddenly be completely banned, there will be huge changes to society.
1. All non-electified railway will close, waiting years before the lines can be electrified..
2. Heavy long-distance diesel lorries and coaches will be scrapped, so the present food distribution wil become impossible.
3. Manufacturing industry will not be able to continue without consistent energy supplies.
A mediaeval way of life will have to be adopted.
No one will be buying expensive cars. Almost everyone will have to accept being out of work, hungry, cold and poor.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 10th August 17:57
Will be interesting to see what happens to auto manufacturers when they are forced to go all electric. I would think many will fold.
BlackWidow13 said:
Besides the obvious - front end and interior - I’d love it if AM were to do something much more traditional/conventional/recognisably
AM with the side strakes. The current Vantage’s are, and have been since day 1, an absolute carbuncle.
I'm fairly new to Aston ownership, however always admired the brand from afar. I have a 2018 V8 Vantage and I'm curious about the "front end" comments that regularly pop-up on here. AM with the side strakes. The current Vantage’s are, and have been since day 1, an absolute carbuncle.
I know that looks are subjective, but I love the front end of my Vantage. To my eyes it's sleek and contemporary whilst still looking fairly aggressive. A trait that IMO seems to carry-over into the new DB12 and Valour.
Is the criticism due to the love for the previous era Vantage? Granted, the previous Vantage is stunning and will probably go down in automotive styling history as one of the most beautifully shaped cars ever designed.
I applaud the fact that AML tried something different with the Vantage, otherwise If styling lineage was a prominent criteria I would have opted for a 992, 991 etc...
Sorry to derail the topic - although I am also excited about the arrival of the new model.
Just interested in your thoughts.
WarmSince74 said:
I'm fairly new to Aston ownership, however always admired the brand from afar. I have a 2018 V8 Vantage and I'm curious about the "front end" comments that regularly pop-up on here.
I know that looks are subjective, but I love the front end of my Vantage. To my eyes it's sleek and contemporary whilst still looking fairly aggressive. A trait that IMO seems to carry-over into the new DB12 and Valour.
Is the criticism due to the love for the previous era Vantage? Granted, the previous Vantage is stunning and will probably go down in automotive styling history as one of the most beautifully shaped cars ever designed.
I applaud the fact that AML tried something different with the Vantage, otherwise If styling lineage was a prominent criteria I would have opted for a 992, 991 etc...
Sorry to derail the topic - although I am also excited about the arrival of the new model.
Just interested in your thoughts.
Ultimately this is all subjective, and if you like the Vantage grille then you’ve plainly got the right car. I know that looks are subjective, but I love the front end of my Vantage. To my eyes it's sleek and contemporary whilst still looking fairly aggressive. A trait that IMO seems to carry-over into the new DB12 and Valour.
Is the criticism due to the love for the previous era Vantage? Granted, the previous Vantage is stunning and will probably go down in automotive styling history as one of the most beautifully shaped cars ever designed.
I applaud the fact that AML tried something different with the Vantage, otherwise If styling lineage was a prominent criteria I would have opted for a 992, 991 etc...
Sorry to derail the topic - although I am also excited about the arrival of the new model.
Just interested in your thoughts.
I have a ‘16 V12VS, and for me the Vantage front end (the “Hunter” grille) fell into revolutionary rather than evolutionary. The grille itself I see as too wide and too low, and the headlights are too small, presenting something that doesn’t really have an obviously shared DNA with other current AM cars.
The subsequent vaned option, and then the new V12 TT front end both took the front end backwards towards a more conventional look. And the Revenant third party front end is a neat aesthetic bridge back to the previous model.
Had AM gone from the pre 2018 model to something more like the DB10 or the Revenant, to the vaned look to the V12TT front end to the Hunter grille then I think that would have represented an incremental evolution. As it it is feels as if a few generations were skipped, and then we had the infill of the skipped generations.
As I say though, it’s all deeply subjective.
WarmSince74 said:
Just interested in your thoughts.
For more than 50 years, there have been two consistent design features, which have made Aston Martin road cars instantly recognisable.
In fact both designs are protected.
Distinctive front grille shape in 1963.
Front grille 2005 to 2018.
Side strakes in 1963.
Side strakes 2005 to 2018.
It was quite a shock when 50 years of history was suddenly discarded.
I recently saw a sports car approaching me on a rural dual carriageway. How nice to see a TVR being driven, I thought.
When it was closer however, I could see from the side that it was not a TVR.
BlackWidow13 said:
Ultimately this is all subjective, and if you like the Vantage grille then you’ve plainly got the right car.
I have a ‘16 V12VS, and for me the Vantage front end (the “Hunter” grille) fell into revolutionary rather than evolutionary. The grille itself I see as too wide and too low, and the headlights are too small, presenting something that doesn’t really have an obviously shared DNA with other current AM cars.
The subsequent vaned option, and then the new V12 TT front end both took the front end backwards towards a more conventional look. And the Revenant third party front end is a neat aesthetic bridge back to the previous model.
Had AM gone from the pre 2018 model to something more like the DB10 or the Revenant, to the vaned look to the V12TT front end to the Hunter grille then I think that would have represented an incremental evolution. As it it is feels as if a few generations were skipped, and then we had the infill of the skipped generations.
As I say though, it’s all deeply subjective.
Thanks BW13. What you say makes sense, the styling cues are a departure from previous models and not a modern take on the heritage. Horses for courses as they say and I am still very much in love with my car I have a ‘16 V12VS, and for me the Vantage front end (the “Hunter” grille) fell into revolutionary rather than evolutionary. The grille itself I see as too wide and too low, and the headlights are too small, presenting something that doesn’t really have an obviously shared DNA with other current AM cars.
The subsequent vaned option, and then the new V12 TT front end both took the front end backwards towards a more conventional look. And the Revenant third party front end is a neat aesthetic bridge back to the previous model.
Had AM gone from the pre 2018 model to something more like the DB10 or the Revenant, to the vaned look to the V12TT front end to the Hunter grille then I think that would have represented an incremental evolution. As it it is feels as if a few generations were skipped, and then we had the infill of the skipped generations.
As I say though, it’s all deeply subjective.
FWIW I also love the V12VS, it's a beautiful machine. Personally, I am a fan of the hunter style front end. I know on here it is very marmite. If anything, the revised vane front end in person I have found the nose a little longer than I like, albeit slight.
I am glad the current line up is distinctive from one another without the russian doll/photocopier approach and clearly with the hunter front end they tried to integrate the Vulcan front end.
Regarding side strakes I think you can have different designs by generations without entirely tearing up history.
I am glad the current line up is distinctive from one another without the russian doll/photocopier approach and clearly with the hunter front end they tried to integrate the Vulcan front end.
Regarding side strakes I think you can have different designs by generations without entirely tearing up history.
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