E61 V8 Bearding
Discussion
g3org3y said:
DogTheQCarHunter said:
JakeT said:
The N63 is a really quite unreliable engine too, sadly. V8 touring with the 8spd auto sounds ideal to me, though.
HiThe guy that did the work in my car this week is a BMW master technician and he didn’t have this impression at all. Why do you say this is a “quite unreliable” engine?.
Tom
ATM said:
g3org3y said:
DogTheQCarHunter said:
JakeT said:
The N63 is a really quite unreliable engine too, sadly. V8 touring with the 8spd auto sounds ideal to me, though.
HiThe guy that did the work in my car this week is a BMW master technician and he didn’t have this impression at all. Why do you say this is a “quite unreliable” engine?.
Tom
But who doesn't like a bit of danger in their life?
ATM said:
Ok interesting
So you believe its the input via the aux port which is poor rather than the new unit's output?
I ask because I guess you could just go from the new unit to a new amp and then straight to the speakers / new speakers. Surely this would be job done and sound good?
Yes, at least for the unit that I bought, which was recommended on the now defunct 5 series forum. The unit feeds into the aux input via the quad lock connector, but I'm sure you could re-route it directly to an amp. The problem is how you then work with the audio coming from the original system such as PDC beeps and the gong, as the car will automatically blend these in over the aux feed where required. Also I don't know how you'd control the volume as that is also controlled by the original head unit. So you believe its the input via the aux port which is poor rather than the new unit's output?
I ask because I guess you could just go from the new unit to a new amp and then straight to the speakers / new speakers. Surely this would be job done and sound good?
g3org3y said:
ATM said:
I think I've also seen some LCD dash / dials cluster replacements for the e90 which look nice but probably expensive. Dont know if they are available for the e60 but cant be far off.
Honestly, not a fan. cerb4.5lee said:
g3org3y said:
ATM said:
I think I've also seen some LCD dash / dials cluster replacements for the e90 which look nice but probably expensive. Dont know if they are available for the e60 but cant be far off.
Honestly, not a fan. pmorg4 said:
Yes, at least for the unit that I bought, which was recommended on the now defunct 5 series forum. The unit feeds into the aux input via the quad lock connector, but I'm sure you could re-route it directly to an amp. The problem is how you then work with the audio coming from the original system such as PDC beeps and the gong, as the car will automatically blend these in over the aux feed where required. Also I don't know how you'd control the volume as that is also controlled by the original head unit.
Beeps - no ideaVolume - I think some amps can be Bluetooth controlled now or you would need a separate Bluetooth device
The other option for audio input is to use a MOST interface that emulates a CD changer, so completely bypasses the factory aux input and sends a digital signal to the head unit. There are several of these to choose from, usually their primary purpose is a high quality Bluetooth interface but they have a wired input too. You'd then just select the CD changer input on the head unit.
So I've had a couple of the Android units from China that replace the built in E60/61 screen. I'm currently running the 12.3 version from here
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003750313510.h...
These aren't 100% plug and play and they don't come with instructions but there are plenty of resources online to navigate your way around the cabling and the software.
I genuinely think this is one of the best upgrades to my car and I'd happily show it to anyone that's interested and nearby (Hampshire). I also have a 8.8" version that I replaced for this version that I would sell for not a lot if anyone wants to dip their toe into this world.
In terms of sound, I found that the best quality option is to enable the Aux input if you don't have it already and purchase a USB DAC (quality and £ up to you) which will output perfect quality sound into your existing audio system (I have Logic 7).
Happy to answer more questions as needed.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003750313510.h...
These aren't 100% plug and play and they don't come with instructions but there are plenty of resources online to navigate your way around the cabling and the software.
I genuinely think this is one of the best upgrades to my car and I'd happily show it to anyone that's interested and nearby (Hampshire). I also have a 8.8" version that I replaced for this version that I would sell for not a lot if anyone wants to dip their toe into this world.
In terms of sound, I found that the best quality option is to enable the Aux input if you don't have it already and purchase a USB DAC (quality and £ up to you) which will output perfect quality sound into your existing audio system (I have Logic 7).
Happy to answer more questions as needed.
Quick update on the required updates to the car in my attempts to get back it back to standard spec (e61 550i manual).
Turns out the alloys on the car are OEM for a 6 series of that generation, part number BMW 6770941. Thankfully they are not cheap copies with BMW badges added.
However, for some unbeknown reason the previous owner had added spacers to both the front and rear wheels (rears deeper than the fronts), we think this was done for cosmetic reasons like the front splitter, MSport kidney grilles etc. The spacers are now removed off and new bolts and locking wheel bolts are on.
Next is a test drive to see how the car drives without the spacers and to then figure out what to do with the rear suspension - whether to continue with springs on the rear or reinstate the air suspension.
Otherwise I have a new set of OEM discs and Brembo pads for the front brakes which will be on in the next few weeks hopefully.
We're getting there.
Turns out the alloys on the car are OEM for a 6 series of that generation, part number BMW 6770941. Thankfully they are not cheap copies with BMW badges added.
However, for some unbeknown reason the previous owner had added spacers to both the front and rear wheels (rears deeper than the fronts), we think this was done for cosmetic reasons like the front splitter, MSport kidney grilles etc. The spacers are now removed off and new bolts and locking wheel bolts are on.
Next is a test drive to see how the car drives without the spacers and to then figure out what to do with the rear suspension - whether to continue with springs on the rear or reinstate the air suspension.
Otherwise I have a new set of OEM discs and Brembo pads for the front brakes which will be on in the next few weeks hopefully.
We're getting there.
ATM said:
My DVD nav drive is capput. Will this work for without it?
As long as the audio part still works - as stated the original head unit needs to be functional but only insofar as the audio is routed through it, so if it's only the DVD drive that's not working it'll be fine. I removed the DVD disc from mine ages ago as the wife was complaining about the noises it makes whilst seeking, and the only impact is that the (useless anyway) built in sat nav is not available. davejfk said:
So I've had a couple of the Android units from China that replace the built in E60/61 screen. I'm currently running the 12.3 version from here
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003750313510.h...
These aren't 100% plug and play and they don't come with instructions but there are plenty of resources online to navigate your way around the cabling and the software.
I genuinely think this is one of the best upgrades to my car and I'd happily show it to anyone that's interested and nearby (Hampshire). I also have a 8.8" version that I replaced for this version that I would sell for not a lot if anyone wants to dip their toe into this world.
In terms of sound, I found that the best quality option is to enable the Aux input if you don't have it already and purchase a USB DAC (quality and £ up to you) which will output perfect quality sound into your existing audio system (I have Logic 7).
Happy to answer more questions as needed.
How does the larger screen work - presumably this requires some sculpting of the dash?https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003750313510.h...
These aren't 100% plug and play and they don't come with instructions but there are plenty of resources online to navigate your way around the cabling and the software.
I genuinely think this is one of the best upgrades to my car and I'd happily show it to anyone that's interested and nearby (Hampshire). I also have a 8.8" version that I replaced for this version that I would sell for not a lot if anyone wants to dip their toe into this world.
In terms of sound, I found that the best quality option is to enable the Aux input if you don't have it already and purchase a USB DAC (quality and £ up to you) which will output perfect quality sound into your existing audio system (I have Logic 7).
Happy to answer more questions as needed.
Also curious on how the USB DAC improves the sound quality - I always thought the issue was the car's Aux input so unless you're bypassing this (e.g. MOST interface) I don't see how the DAC helps but happy to be enlightened.
No sculpting of the dash required. It literally takes the place of the existing screen but has extension built in so that the new screen sits in front of the normal screen 'cave'.
I think the sound quality complaints are due to these units' audio outputs. I certainly have zero issues going into my aux input. With the DAC, I can stream music from Apple Music, Amazon or whatever at super high, lossless bit rates and it sounds first class.
I think the sound quality complaints are due to these units' audio outputs. I certainly have zero issues going into my aux input. With the DAC, I can stream music from Apple Music, Amazon or whatever at super high, lossless bit rates and it sounds first class.
The larger screen does look good in the photos from the front. How does it look from the side - are there any gaps that would make it seem clearly non OEM?
With regard to the aux input, I think it depends on the car but there are certainly countless complaints about it where the sound quality is poor regardless of the source (e.g. Plugging a phone or other audio device straight into the jack). I had no complaints about the sound quality from my CarPlay unit that went through aux but others suffered poor sound from the same unit so it does seem to be car dependent.
With regard to the aux input, I think it depends on the car but there are certainly countless complaints about it where the sound quality is poor regardless of the source (e.g. Plugging a phone or other audio device straight into the jack). I had no complaints about the sound quality from my CarPlay unit that went through aux but others suffered poor sound from the same unit so it does seem to be car dependent.
I just ordered one of these Alpine MOST interfaces from eBay for £20! Means you can plug an iPod through the head unit at least, replaces the CD changer. I have heard you can connect an IPhone through this interface too but not sure what that cable would be known as when searching for one online. If anyone knows give me a shout please.
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