M550i

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JNW1

7,804 posts

195 months

Wednesday 25th August 2021
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ExecutiveAction said:
JNW1 said:
Either a 5 or a 7 are bigger than I'd want but if I was looking at something around 5m long - which both are - a difference of 16cm (or 6") wouldn't strike me as terribly significant. The difference in size in moving from a 5 to a 7 is less than in moving from a 3 to a 5 and personally I think once you're in something as big as a 5 you'd barely notice the slightly larger footprint of a SWB 7 - whichever way you cut it they're both big cars!

Yes, but the 5 series is and always has been a sweet natural handling car. The 7? I don’t know, but more weight doesn’t help. The 3 series is just too small for business use.
I agree the 7 weighs a touch more but we're talking about roughly 100kg so, as with the small increase in dimensions, is that really significant when each car weighs circa 2 tonnes? Can't comment on the handling as I've not driven either.

I am however curious on your comment on the 3-series - in what way do you consider one just too small for business use?

ExecutiveAction

337 posts

38 months

Wednesday 25th August 2021
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The 3 series is a very nice car, no question, but my reasons are:-

1. I may have to transport 5 adults in comfort over long distances.
2. If I am doing a lot of business miles, I personally like a lot of metal round me.

chandrew

979 posts

210 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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ExecutiveAction said:
Boosted_8 said:
I would say test drives are in order. Your selection criteria is very subjective and can’t really be settled by other peoples opinions.
Trouble is, I can’t find a dealer who has a demonstrator available for a test drive. Do you have rear steer on yours?
I have rear steer on my B5 and the turning circle is tighter than my old 340 xdrive. It would be hard to say how rear steer would feel on a standard 5 as the B5 has quite significant other suspension changes. The car feels very agile and is great fun around hairpins, whipping around at speeds my old 340 could never have dreamt of. FWS is standard on a B5 which I suspect you could read as indicating how the folks in Buchloe rate it.

JNW1

7,804 posts

195 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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ExecutiveAction said:
The 3 series is a very nice car, no question, but my reasons are:-

1. I may have to transport 5 adults in comfort over long distances.
2. If I am doing a lot of business miles, I personally like a lot of metal round me.
Fair enough but for both of the requirements you've outlined above wouldn't a 7 be a better bet than a 5? Negligible increase in size and weight, more refined and probably no more expensive when the higher level of discount and standard spec is taken into account. Probably a nicer quality interior as well, the main downside is that horrible grille! smile

Boosted_8

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99 posts

38 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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ExecutiveAction said:
Trouble is, I can’t find a dealer who has a demonstrator available for a test drive. Do you have rear steer on yours?
No heavy options on mine such as Sunroof, rear wheel steering, and active roll bars.

Curb weight is just over 1800kg as a result.

Handles better than equivalent Audi V8's as the motor isn't hanging over the front wheels. I have not driven an E63 for comparison mind.

ExecutiveAction

337 posts

38 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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JNW1 said:
ExecutiveAction said:
The 3 series is a very nice car, no question, but my reasons are:-

1. I may have to transport 5 adults in comfort over long distances.
2. If I am doing a lot of business miles, I personally like a lot of metal round me.
Fair enough but for both of the requirements you've outlined above wouldn't a 7 be a better bet than a 5? Negligible increase in size and weight, more refined and probably no more expensive when the higher level of discount and standard spec is taken into account. Probably a nicer quality interior as well, the main downside is that horrible grille! smile
Yes, but not for the requirements I mentioned earlier. It may help if I explain that my model executive car is the 1968 Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre. It was big but handled well, for its time. I see the 5 series as a worthy successor. Not the latest XJ, no way!

bolidemichael

13,914 posts

202 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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ExecutiveAction said:
JNW1 said:
ExecutiveAction said:
The 3 series is a very nice car, no question, but my reasons are:-

1. I may have to transport 5 adults in comfort over long distances.
2. If I am doing a lot of business miles, I personally like a lot of metal round me.
Fair enough but for both of the requirements you've outlined above wouldn't a 7 be a better bet than a 5? Negligible increase in size and weight, more refined and probably no more expensive when the higher level of discount and standard spec is taken into account. Probably a nicer quality interior as well, the main downside is that horrible grille! smile
Yes, but not for the requirements I mentioned earlier. It may help if I explain that my model executive car is the 1968 Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre. It was big but handled well, for its time. I see the 5 series as a worthy successor. Not the latest XJ, no way!
There is an element of logic missing here in the hop, skip, jump from a '68 XJ6 inline six to a 2021 V8, but fair enough!


JNW1

7,804 posts

195 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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ExecutiveAction said:
JNW1 said:
ExecutiveAction said:
The 3 series is a very nice car, no question, but my reasons are:-

1. I may have to transport 5 adults in comfort over long distances.
2. If I am doing a lot of business miles, I personally like a lot of metal round me.
Fair enough but for both of the requirements you've outlined above wouldn't a 7 be a better bet than a 5? Negligible increase in size and weight, more refined and probably no more expensive when the higher level of discount and standard spec is taken into account. Probably a nicer quality interior as well, the main downside is that horrible grille! smile
Yes, but not for the requirements I mentioned earlier. It may help if I explain that my model executive car is the 1968 Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre. It was big but handled well, for its time. I see the 5 series as a worthy successor. Not the latest XJ, no way!
Which sort of reinforces my point as BMW's equivalent to the XJ always been the 7-series - an XF is more the 5-series equivalent IMO!

But leaving that aside only you know what you want/need your car to do; I can see that an M550i is going to be more driver focused than (say) a 540i or 740i but if I was spending most of my time wafting up and down motorways - and the ability to carry adult passengers was a priority - I think the 7 would arguably be the best tool for that particular job (and dare I say it perhaps even with one of the 6-pot diesels under the bonnet!).

ExecutiveAction

337 posts

38 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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ExcitableBoy said:
ExecutiveAction said:
Yes, but not for the requirements I mentioned earlier. It may help if I explain that my model executive car is the 1968 Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre. It was big but handled well, for its time. I see the 5 series as a worthy successor. Not the latest XJ, no way!
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ExecutiveAction

337 posts

38 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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JNW1 said:
Which sort of reinforces my point as BMW's equivalent to the XJ always been the 7-series - an XF is more the 5-series equivalent IMO!

But leaving that aside only you know what you want/need your car to do; I can see that an M550i is going to be more driver focused than (say) a 540i or 740i but if I was spending most of my time wafting up and down motorways - and the ability to carry adult passengers was a priority - I think the 7 would arguably be the best tool for that particular job (and dare I say it perhaps even with one of the 6-pot diesels under the bonnet!).
I think that it is more accurate to say that the current XJ is Jaguar’s equivalent to the 7-series. What the original XJ offered was power, agile handling, internal comfort for 4/5 people, within a body whose size and driving position inspired confidence, without being too big. For me, the 7 series is just too big, but the 5 series does exactly those things. The XF is a brilliant reinterpretation of the Mk.II / S-Type, but a little cramped in the back. Yes, if wafting on motorways with 5 passengers was my absolute priority, you would be right. But it’s not. I said in my first comment that my first priority is driving pleasure - the others are important but lower down the list. This could be my last ICE daily driver. If it’s not fun, why bother?

JNW1

7,804 posts

195 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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ExecutiveAction said:
JNW1 said:
Which sort of reinforces my point as BMW's equivalent to the XJ always been the 7-series - an XF is more the 5-series equivalent IMO!

But leaving that aside only you know what you want/need your car to do; I can see that an M550i is going to be more driver focused than (say) a 540i or 740i but if I was spending most of my time wafting up and down motorways - and the ability to carry adult passengers was a priority - I think the 7 would arguably be the best tool for that particular job (and dare I say it perhaps even with one of the 6-pot diesels under the bonnet!).
I think that it is more accurate to say that the current XJ is Jaguar’s equivalent to the 7-series. What the original XJ offered was power, agile handling, internal comfort for 4/5 people, within a body whose size and driving position inspired confidence, without being too big. For me, the 7 series is just too big, but the 5 series does exactly those things. The XF is a brilliant reinterpretation of the Mk.II / S-Type, but a little cramped in the back. Yes, if wafting on motorways with 5 passengers was my absolute priority, you would be right. But it’s not. I said in my first comment that my first priority is driving pleasure - the others are important but lower down the list. This could be my last ICE daily driver. If it’s not fun, why bother?
BMW hadn't adopted their current model designations at the time the original XJ6 was introduced but once they did I think you'll find the XJ has always been more closely aligned to the 7-series than the 5-series - the first 7-series in the late 1970's was very similar to the Series 2 XJ6 of the time and that in turn wasn't much different from the Series 1 that preceded it. In point of fact the current 5-series is actually longer and heavier than the XJ6 of 1968 but that just reflects the way cars generally have grown in size over the years!

You did indeed talk about driving pleasure in your first post but you also said you'd started by looking at the 530d and for anyone considering one of those I just think it's worth thinking about the equivalent 7 as well. Moreover, you said in a subsequent second post that the problem with the 7 is it's too big and that's really what I'm taking issue with - the difference in size and weight compared to the equivalent 5 is negligible and therefore to be happy with a 5 but dismiss the 7 on the grounds of it being too big makes no sense IMO.

But yes, if you want a last hurrah with an ICE daily driver (which I fully understand) I agree the petrol is much more desirable and that would in turn steer you more towards the M550i type of car - probably best to leave it there! smile

ExecutiveAction

337 posts

38 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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I guess you are right - we have gone a bit off topic. I did like the 7-series of the early 90’s!

Boosted_8

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99 posts

38 months

Wednesday 8th September 2021
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I love the new M5 CS rear spoiler. So I did a test fit today and I'm sold, its a keeper.

Boosted_8

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99 posts

38 months

Saturday 9th October 2021
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Boosted_8

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99 posts

38 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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Hello DA my old friend...

Boosted_8

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Sam.F

1,144 posts

201 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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It still felt fast before the "fix" really but it is nice to know that it's now performing more to the manufacturer spec (which for BMW means "faster than the official numbers")

Boosted_8

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38 months

Roma101

838 posts

148 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Boosted_8 said:
ExecutiveAction said:
Trouble is, I can’t find a dealer who has a demonstrator available for a test drive. Do you have rear steer on yours?
No heavy options on mine such as Sunroof, rear wheel steering, and active roll bars.

Curb weight is just over 1800kg as a result.

Handles better than equivalent Audi V8's as the motor isn't hanging over the front wheels. I have not driven an E63 for comparison mind.
Hi

Can I query the curb weight? BMW says the EU weight is 1990kg. DIN would therefore be 1915kg. How did you get to 1800kg if you don't mind me asking? Or is the BMW quoted weight the maximum possible weight of the car with all the options ticked?

Pica-Pica

13,852 posts

85 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Roma101 said:
Boosted_8 said:
ExecutiveAction said:
Trouble is, I can’t find a dealer who has a demonstrator available for a test drive. Do you have rear steer on yours?
No heavy options on mine such as Sunroof, rear wheel steering, and active roll bars.

Curb weight is just over 1800kg as a result.

Handles better than equivalent Audi V8's as the motor isn't hanging over the front wheels. I have not driven an E63 for comparison mind.
Hi

Can I query the curb weight? BMW says the EU weight is 1990kg. DIN would therefore be 1915kg. How did you get to 1800kg if you don't mind me asking? Or is the BMW quoted weight the maximum possible weight of the car with all the options ticked?
Can I query the ‘curb’ weight?