Tanzanite/Cognac F32 - hard combo to sell?
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MitchT said:
There were garage printouts of the services in the glove compartment. The names of the services were correct. I should have photographed them but, from what I can remember, one was an oil service + inspection and one was a brake fluid service + inspection.
Obviously depends on what alternatives you have in the mix but from what you've said I think that one's probably worth an offer at the sort of figure you were contemplating (£24k). That might sound a low-ball offer but I think it needs to be around that level to let you do the service that's outstanding, put a BMW warranty on it and allow for any other things that might need resolving (replacing rusty brakes wouldn't be cheap, for example). But if it's basically a straight car you won't find many (any?) F32 440i's with that mileage and in such a nice colour combination - if I didn't need rear doors and a hatchback I'd have been down to Horsforth to have a look myself!
You'd be surprised how many there are with low mileage. I've been watching them since summer 2022. Late 2022 I saw two in Snapper Rocks Blue with Ivory White leather, one with 18k miles, one with 22k miles. A few have come and gone in other colours with sub 20k miles during 2023. Start of this year two more in Snapper Rocks - one with 25k miles and one with just over 8k miles. I'd have pounced on the 8k mile one - it was just down the M1 in Sheffield - but I was under "no driving" orders after a hernia operation and the car sold in not much more than a week, before I was allowed to drive again. I guess the low mileage might have been a symptom of the covid lockdown so these cars might start racking up the miles now.
Edited by MitchT on Tuesday 27th February 21:24
MitchT said:
You'd be surprised how many there are with low mileage. I've been watching them since summer 2022. Late 2022 I saw two in Snapper Rocks Blue with Ivory White leather, one with 18k miles, one with 22k miles. A few have come and gone in other colours with sub 20k miles during 2023. Start of this year two more in Snapper Rocks - one with 25k miles and one with just over 8k miles. I'd have pounced on the 8k mile one - it was just down the M1 in Sheffield - but I was under "no driving" orders after a hernia operation and the car sold in not much more than a week, before I was allowed to drive again. I guess the low mileage might have been a symptom of the covid lockdown so these cars might start racking up the miles now.
You've obviously been following the market for F32 440i's much more closely than me but looking on the BMW AUC website the lowest mileage car I can see is 39k (which I wouldn't consider especially low!). There are only three on Autotrader with under 20k miles (of which the car at Horsforth is one) and even at 30k miles there's only nine (and one of those is a Cat S which personally I wouldn't consider). So it doesn't feel to me like there's a lot of low mileage F32 440i's to choose from and if you have a particular colour and/or spec in mind that obviously narrows the field even further.Edited by MitchT on Tuesday 27th February 21:24
But if you've been looking for almost two years I'm guessing you're in no rush and are happy to wait for the right car to come along? That's fair enough and of course it might happen tomorrow; however, with even the newest F32's now approaching four years old I'm not convinced how many low mileage examples (sub-20k) are likely to come up...
MitchT said:
You'd be surprised how many there are with low mileage. I've been watching them since summer 2022. Late 2022 I saw two in Snapper Rocks Blue with Ivory White leather, one with 18k miles, one with 22k miles. A few have come and gone in other colours with sub 20k miles during 2023. Start of this year two more in Snapper Rocks - one with 25k miles and one with just over 8k miles. I'd have pounced on the 8k mile one - it was just down the M1 in Sheffield - but I was under "no driving" orders after a hernia operation and the car sold in not much more than a week, before I was allowed to drive again. I guess the low mileage might have been a symptom of the covid lockdown so these cars might start racking up the miles now.
Covid would indeed a factor. Mine was sold on 18k mioes. Same job, but my M340 did way more mioes in a shorter timeEdited by MitchT on Tuesday 27th February 21:24
JNW1 said:
You've obviously been following the market for F32 440i's much more closely than me but looking on the BMW AUC website the lowest mileage car I can see is 39k (which I wouldn't consider especially low!). There are only three on Autotrader with under 20k miles (of which the car at Horsforth is one) and even at 30k miles there's only nine (and one of those is a Cat S which personally I wouldn't consider). So it doesn't feel to me like there's a lot of low mileage F32 440i's to choose from and if you have a particular colour and/or spec in mind that obviously narrows the field even further.
But if you've been looking for almost two years I'm guessing you're in no rush and are happy to wait for the right car to come along? That's fair enough and of course it might happen tomorrow; however, with even the newest F32's now approaching four years old I'm not convinced how many low mileage examples (sub-20k) are likely to come up...
I know of one thats on 9k but not forsale.But if you've been looking for almost two years I'm guessing you're in no rush and are happy to wait for the right car to come along? That's fair enough and of course it might happen tomorrow; however, with even the newest F32's now approaching four years old I'm not convinced how many low mileage examples (sub-20k) are likely to come up...
JNW1 said:
... but looking on the BMW AUC website the lowest mileage car I can see is 39k (which I wouldn't consider especially low!). There are only three on Autotrader with under 20k miles (of which the car at Horsforth is one) and even at 30k miles there's only nine (and one of those is a Cat S which personally I wouldn't consider). So it doesn't feel to me like there's a lot of low mileage F32 440i's to choose from...
There aren't many 440is full stop. Of the ones that are available at any given time I'd say a surprisingly large proportion have relatively low milege. They tend to come in fits and starts too. It's a bit quiet at the moment.JNW1 said:
But if you've been looking for almost two years I'm guessing you're in no rush and are happy to wait for the right car to come along?
Started looking for information purposes in summer 2022 but in a position to buy since spring 2023.stevemcs said:
JNW1 said:
You've obviously been following the market for F32 440i's much more closely than me but looking on the BMW AUC website the lowest mileage car I can see is 39k (which I wouldn't consider especially low!). There are only three on Autotrader with under 20k miles (of which the car at Horsforth is one) and even at 30k miles there's only nine (and one of those is a Cat S which personally I wouldn't consider). So it doesn't feel to me like there's a lot of low mileage F32 440i's to choose from and if you have a particular colour and/or spec in mind that obviously narrows the field even further.
But if you've been looking for almost two years I'm guessing you're in no rush and are happy to wait for the right car to come along? That's fair enough and of course it might happen tomorrow; however, with even the newest F32's now approaching four years old I'm not convinced how many low mileage examples (sub-20k) are likely to come up...
I know of one thats on 9k but not forsale.But if you've been looking for almost two years I'm guessing you're in no rush and are happy to wait for the right car to come along? That's fair enough and of course it might happen tomorrow; however, with even the newest F32's now approaching four years old I'm not convinced how many low mileage examples (sub-20k) are likely to come up...
But yes, one could come along in the colour and spec the OP wants and if he's happy to bide his time - which he obviously is - then good luck to him, I hope he manages to land what he's after!
Been reading about the oil filter issue on the B58 and pondering the importance of having up-to-date service history so the BMW warranty will pay out if this arises. This particular car has an orange car symbol showing in the top right of the iDrive screen, which indicates a service due. The photos were taken on 8 February 2023 so, if that hasn't been done on time, then I think I can safely put to bed any notion of buying it once and for all. I might have to go back and dig into the iDrive to see if any more has been done than is showing in the photos.
MitchT said:
Been reading about the oil filter issue on the B58 and pondering the importance of having up-to-date service history so the BMW warranty will pay out if this arises. This particular car has an orange car symbol showing in the top right of the iDrive screen, which indicates a service due. The photos were taken on 8 February 2023 so, if that hasn't been done on time, then I think I can safely put to bed any notion of buying it once and for all. I might have to go back and dig into the iDrive to see if any more has been done than is showing in the photos.
To be honest I'm not sure that car at Horsforth's the right one for you! It sounds like neither the colour combination nor the spec are really what you want and on top of that there are question marks around both the service history and why it's been sat around for so long (initially a year between PDI and registration and then another year as used stock at Evans Halshaw). Pushing for a deal and taking a bit of a risk might be worth it if the car was just what you wanted but if it's not maybe better to wait a bit longer for something that's closer to your ideal colour and spec and has a history you're comfortable with?
I actually really like the spec of this car. The only things missing for me are the surround view camera at the front which I'd like and a heated steering wheel which would be nice to have.
There's an AUC one in Snapper Rocks Blue, which is my first choice of colour, and it's got the front suround view cameras, but it's got almost 45k miles on it which means I have to be mindful of the warranty renewal cost when it hits 60k miles after a couple of years or so. Also, it's got the default black interior with brushed aluminium and black trim finisher which is a bit boring. If I were going to go for the black interior I'd prefer the seats with oyster highlights or the ones with blue M Sport stitching and, either way, the carbon aluminium dashboard trim with pearl trim finisher which contrasts nicely with the otherwise black door cards and just makes it look a bit more exciting inside.
There's an AUC one in Snapper Rocks Blue, which is my first choice of colour, and it's got the front suround view cameras, but it's got almost 45k miles on it which means I have to be mindful of the warranty renewal cost when it hits 60k miles after a couple of years or so. Also, it's got the default black interior with brushed aluminium and black trim finisher which is a bit boring. If I were going to go for the black interior I'd prefer the seats with oyster highlights or the ones with blue M Sport stitching and, either way, the carbon aluminium dashboard trim with pearl trim finisher which contrasts nicely with the otherwise black door cards and just makes it look a bit more exciting inside.
MitchT said:
I actually really like the spec of this car. The only things missing for me are the surround view camera at the front which I'd like and a heated steering wheel which would be nice to have.
I think the Horsforth car's a lovely colour combination and I also think it's a very nice spec. The glass sunroof is a rare but (IMO) very desirable option and, having had all three, personally I'd put that ahead of either surround view or a heated steering wheel on my list of nice to haves; each to their own with that though!For me the issue with that car is really its history. Apart from the PDI none of the services have been done at a BMW dealer - which is perhaps a bit odd - and moreover it's missing the big service which is now overdue (albeit only just). Add to that there's the fact it's stood doing nothing for two of its five year life which also has the potential to cause problems (rusty brakes, etc).
So, as I've said before, to tempt me Evans Halshaw would have to either have the major service done by BMW in Leeds - and a 12 month BMW extended warranty put on the car - or drop the price by at least £2k to give me the money to deal direct with BMW for those things plus leave some contingency should their health check highlight other things that need doing. Whether they'd play ball with either of those options I don't know but that's where they'd need to be to get me to sign on the dotted line!
Surround view is definitely number 1 for me, having grown weary of driving blindly out of parking spaces when someone has dumped their morbidly obsese w
kpanzer next to me.
The photos were taken on 8 Feb 2023, with a service indicated as due by the iDrive, so another service might have been done in the year since. If it hasn't then it's now overdue which likely means no chance of adding a BMW warranty, which means run for the hills as far as I'm concerned.
I might go back and dig into the iDrive to see if another service has been done since the photo was taken. If it's all up to date then a BMW health check to see if the disks and pads need doing, and confirmation of eligibility for the warranty, and agreeing the right price could make it a buy.
kpanzer next to me.The photos were taken on 8 Feb 2023, with a service indicated as due by the iDrive, so another service might have been done in the year since. If it hasn't then it's now overdue which likely means no chance of adding a BMW warranty, which means run for the hills as far as I'm concerned.
I might go back and dig into the iDrive to see if another service has been done since the photo was taken. If it's all up to date then a BMW health check to see if the disks and pads need doing, and confirmation of eligibility for the warranty, and agreeing the right price could make it a buy.
Edited by MitchT on Thursday 29th February 23:30
stevemcs said:
Are you sure it’s overdue the big service? Shouldn’t it be due 2024 ?
There was a service on 24 Jan 2022 and another one 23 Jan 2023. One was an oil service and one was a brake fluid service, but I'm not sure which was which. On that basis, however, 24 Jan 2024 was probably the deadline for the next one.ETA: On the photo of the iDrive that was taken on 8 Feb 2023 there's a little orange car and a "1" in the top right corner, so some kind of service was actually due then! I should have checked when I was there.
stevemcs said:
heated wheel can be retrofitted - try Bavarian Coding.
Might invalidate the BMW warranty though. Wouldn't run one of these cars without the warranty due to the oil filter issue.Edited by MitchT on Thursday 29th February 23:43
MitchT said:
Surround view is definitely number 1 for me, having grown weary of driving blindly out of parking spaces when someone has dumped their morbidly obsese wkpanzer next to me.
I use surround view a lot in the M4 as well, and it comes in handy for me at junctions where you have parked cars each side for example. The cameras aren't actually all that great/clear though(especially in comparison to the Merc we have), however it is a handy thing to have I reckon. kpanzer next to me.MitchT said:
Surround view is definitely number 1 for me, having grown weary of driving blindly out of parking spaces when someone has dumped their morbidly obsese wkpanzer next to me.
The photos were taken on 8 Feb 2023, with a service indicated as due by the iDrive, so another service might have been done in the year since. If it hasn't then it's now overdue which likely means no chance of adding a BMW warranty, which means run for the hills as far as I'm concerned.
I might go back and dig into the iDrive to see if another service has been done since the photo was taken. If it's all up to date then a BMW health check to see if the disks and pads need doing, and confirmation of eligibility for the warranty, and agreeing the right price could make it a buy.
If the colour combo and spec appeal I think it might be worth a follow-up visit to confirm the status of the service history and see what sort of a deal Evans Halshaw might be receptive to. Frankly it still amazes me they've been prepared to keep the car in stock for as long as they have but, with more part exchanges likely to be incoming off the back of the new 24-reg, I'd have thought they'd want rid of this one now. kpanzer next to me.The photos were taken on 8 Feb 2023, with a service indicated as due by the iDrive, so another service might have been done in the year since. If it hasn't then it's now overdue which likely means no chance of adding a BMW warranty, which means run for the hills as far as I'm concerned.
I might go back and dig into the iDrive to see if another service has been done since the photo was taken. If it's all up to date then a BMW health check to see if the disks and pads need doing, and confirmation of eligibility for the warranty, and agreeing the right price could make it a buy.
Edited by MitchT on Thursday 29th February 23:30
Therefore, you'd think there's a deal to be done but, as you say, it would probably be wise to walk away if either the history doesn't stack-up and/or the price isn't right....
GTEYE said:
The idrive service history anomaly with the 0000’s would suggest all might not be as it seems…
It's not an anomoly. It's what happens when serviced outside of main dealers. Mine has been to local specialist for service and shows the same.The key is to make sure bmw servers are updated also as adding services to iDrive is free and easy but adding to the bmw servers means expensive kit is needed.
One thing, when bought new a lot of these cars came with a service pack, which was good value.
Given the high spec it’s possible the first owner also paid for that.
Might be worth checking with BMW if it ever had one since that would make it even more strange that it was serviced outside the main dealer network.
Given the high spec it’s possible the first owner also paid for that.
Might be worth checking with BMW if it ever had one since that would make it even more strange that it was serviced outside the main dealer network.
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