Rossi to Yamaha, confirmed today
Discussion
Biker's Nemesis said:
What are Ducati supposed to do, Dovi is beating cal week in week out. There's no one more than me wants to see Cal spanking Dovi's arse. I've never been one for getting excited and shouting at the TV untill this year when Cal has looked to be faster than Dovi but not able to make the pass.
Definitely this. As good as he is, he is in the big league now and that means no 
s in the armour, anywhere. And the first person you need to beat is your team mate.The worry is that Cal will be to us Brits as Pedrosa is to the Spanish.
tight5 said:
with dovi v cal , i think its important to remember that cal has done 1.5 seasons in GP
while dovi has done 4.5 in moto gp and 3 years in 250 and 3 years in 125 .
so cal is improving while dovi has plateaued ?
This.while dovi has done 4.5 in moto gp and 3 years in 250 and 3 years in 125 .
so cal is improving while dovi has plateaued ?
Easy to forget Cal only has one full season under his belt in MGP
Turn7 said:
tight5 said:
with dovi v cal , i think its important to remember that cal has done 1.5 seasons in GP
while dovi has done 4.5 in moto gp and 3 years in 250 and 3 years in 125 .
so cal is improving while dovi has plateaued ?
This.while dovi has done 4.5 in moto gp and 3 years in 250 and 3 years in 125 .
so cal is improving while dovi has plateaued ?
Easy to forget Cal only has one full season under his belt in MGP
Yazza54 said:
Been saying this for ages, dovi had a works Honda ride for years and was always the second bridesmaid. In that sense cal has bags more potential.
I also think that Dovi has pulled his finger out and upped the ante this year in response to Cal which is a credit to him. But i agree with the bulk of comment re his options above. The thing is, as much as I want to see Cal progress & be a regular on the podium, AND as much as he is a real gutsy rider (probably better than most of us ever will be-BN/Fleegle/Shanes/BGT3 excluded 
)he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?
Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
)he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
sprinter1050 said:
The thing is, as much as I want to see Cal progress & be a regular on the podium, AND as much as he is a real gutsy rider (probably better than most of us ever will be-BN/Fleegle/Shanes/BGT3 excluded )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?
Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
I understand what you are saying, but look how many times Stoner was on his arse when he first got the Duke ride. And the amount of highsides Lorenzo had in his first season should have given him enough air-miles to get him to the moon and back )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
Fleegle said:
sprinter1050 said:
The thing is, as much as I want to see Cal progress & be a regular on the podium, AND as much as he is a real gutsy rider (probably better than most of us ever will be-BN/Fleegle/Shanes/BGT3 excluded )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?
Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
I understand what you are saying, but look how many times Stoner was on his arse when he first got the Duke ride. And the amount of highsides Lorenzo had in his first season should have given him enough air-miles to get him to the moon and back )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
Fleegle said:
sprinter1050 said:
The thing is, as much as I want to see Cal progress & be a regular on the podium, AND as much as he is a real gutsy rider (probably better than most of us ever will be-BN/Fleegle/Shanes/BGT3 excluded )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?
Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
I understand what you are saying, but look how many times Stoner was on his arse when he first got the Duke ride. And the amount of highsides Lorenzo had in his first season should have given him enough air-miles to get him to the moon and back )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
Cal simply has not delivered a podium, Dovi has delivered 4 this year. You get a 2yr contract and in the 2nd year you have a satellite bike, in the first year of a rule change which means in some ways it's even closer to the factory kit at the start of the season . . .
When Cal's had a good shot he's thrown it down the road.
Then there's lots of 'it's the brakes', which he got as an upgrade and it seems to have done nothing to the results against Dovi, then it's that Dovi has more corner exit speed, it goes on a bit.
I'm the fist to be shouting at the TV, I think Cal is a hugely talented rider but agree with the comments before, he just doesn't seem to be able to put together a bigger result, get that podium, start a roll of results, get past Dovi regularly, challenge at the start of the race. It's beyond frustrating to watch him circling behind Dovi lap after lap, race after race as he has made a poor start from a superior grid position and then gets stuck. I am sure Cal is equally frustrated, but he's got to work out how he's going to get past him.
Cal's also been very vocal about not lying to anyone, saying it as it is etc etc The sponsors get nervous, Britain is useless at supporting our MGP riders and therefore without the kinda results a Stoner or Lorenzo were delivering in their first seasons he's gonna struggle . . .
I hope he does start to deliver the results at the end of this season, but the factory development will be quicker, the gaps bigger and he's fighting just to get past his team mate.
Dovi on a 250 was incredible at times, the Honda's he rode in 125 and 250 were far from the best bikes out there when he won the title in 125 I cheered him all the way to it as he really earnt it against the dominant Aprilia's, especially as Honda had said no more development of 2 strokes etc . . On the factory Honda in MGP he finished 3rd, versus a Brit without a podium in 1.5 seasons, unfortunately the choice is relatively simple for any factory, Dovi is astute enough to know his worth as well and I doubt it's that much different from Cal's demands . .
Frustrating as hell as a Brit and big Cal fan having spent many a Sunday, too many Sundays up and down the country watching him in R6 Cup and progress through Supersport and BSB onto WSB . . . I hope he gets a great ride next year.
Edited by Johno on Wednesday 8th August 16:09
Edited by Johno on Wednesday 8th August 16:16
Reardy Mister said:
Fleegle said:
sprinter1050 said:
The thing is, as much as I want to see Cal progress & be a regular on the podium, AND as much as he is a real gutsy rider (probably better than most of us ever will be-BN/Fleegle/Shanes/BGT3 excluded )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?
Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
I understand what you are saying, but look how many times Stoner was on his arse when he first got the Duke ride. And the amount of highsides Lorenzo had in his first season should have given him enough air-miles to get him to the moon and back )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
I would add that I am a fan of Cal's and am convinced he is the best Brit we've had in MotoGP in perhaps, decades. It just seems a shame that we don't have a consistent challenger (or 2 preferably) but that may be down to the politics of it as he has said himself.
Sometimes for a rider to become truly world class they need to ride with their head out in front rather than their balls.
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Sometimes for a rider to become truly world class they need to ride with their head out in front rather than their balls.
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I think dovi is getting better stuff than cal recently.
Since spies went off the boil, dovis been getting the trick stuff, same as amazingly, when Rossi announced he was going for yam, spies tech 3 suddenly going a second a lap quicker and he wa sup the sharp end.
Anyone who thinks teammates in moto gp have the same kit is wrong.
Since spies went off the boil, dovis been getting the trick stuff, same as amazingly, when Rossi announced he was going for yam, spies tech 3 suddenly going a second a lap quicker and he wa sup the sharp end.
Anyone who thinks teammates in moto gp have the same kit is wrong.
MrKipling43 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
What are Ducati supposed to do, Dovi is beating cal week in week out. There's no one more than me wants to see Cal spanking Dovi's arse. I've never been one for getting excited and shouting at the TV untill this year when Cal has looked to be faster than Dovi but not able to make the pass.
Yeah, bloody frustrating isn't it?Dovi's just too good/Cal's just not good enough on the brakes.
Reardy Mister said:
Definitely this. As good as he is, he is in the big league now and that means no s in the armour, anywhere. And the first person you need to beat is your team mate.
The worry is that Cal will be to us Brits as Pedrosa is to the Spanish.
Made me chuckle that s in the armour, anywhere. And the first person you need to beat is your team mate.The worry is that Cal will be to us Brits as Pedrosa is to the Spanish.
s was censored.John D. said:
Reardy Mister said:
Definitely this. As good as he is, he is in the big league now and that means no s in the armour, anywhere. And the first person you need to beat is your team mate.
The worry is that Cal will be to us Brits as Pedrosa is to the Spanish.
Made me chuckle that s in the armour, anywhere. And the first person you need to beat is your team mate.The worry is that Cal will be to us Brits as Pedrosa is to the Spanish.
s was censored.The censorship that is, not you.
Johno said:
Reardy Mister said:
Fleegle said:
sprinter1050 said:
The thing is, as much as I want to see Cal progress & be a regular on the podium, AND as much as he is a real gutsy rider (probably better than most of us ever will be-BN/Fleegle/Shanes/BGT3 excluded )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?
Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
I understand what you are saying, but look how many times Stoner was on his arse when he first got the Duke ride. And the amount of highsides Lorenzo had in his first season should have given him enough air-miles to get him to the moon and back )he can be prone to what seems to be a Brit thing of riding the wheels off a bike-even to the point of perhaps crashing too much. I haven't looked at the stats but I suspect Cal has been down the road more in the last 2 years than Dovi ?Jonathon Rea is sadly another example, and (sorry BN) Toseland was guilty too. Unfortunately they don't give out trophies while you're sat in the gravel trap, nor do you attract sponsorship money if your mush isn't seen on the telly podium shots.
It may be admirable to see our lads trying like fook but in the harsh commercial money-oriented world that world class motorsport has become that back up of sponsorship is what gets people rides unless they are making the podium every race by clearly being "the next big thing". We perhaps like to shout for our guys, naturally out of patriotism but those who matter/pull the strings need more than just national support. (unless you're Spanish/Italian etc...... or Daddy owns a GP race track)
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