Rossi to Yamaha, confirmed today
Discussion
Toby Moody has interesting thoughts & comments http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/4687/rossi-...
Fleegle said:
Turn7 said:
I do hope the Ducati have learnt fromthis horrible affair, and that they can learn from the mistakes made, move on, and create a bike that works for more than one rider.
The bike didn't work for Stoner!He may have won a championship, but the bike or the manufacturer didn't work for him. Why the f
k did you think he moved on?I'm not a Stoner fan by any stretch, but he did far more with his talent for Ducati, than Ducati did for him.
I think Rossi has now learnt that lesson
FourWheelDrift said:
I don't see Rossi winning the title next year just because he's back at Yamaha. New bike, no Burgess, team mate very settled and lots of rivals wanting to make a point or rookies making a mark.
Septic Peg's 2013 title prediction.
1) Lorenzo
2) Pedrosa
3) Marquez
4) Rossi
Pedrosa in front of Rossi ?, for the first 2 or 3 laps maybe and if he stubs his toe he will miss 2 races Septic Peg's 2013 title prediction.
1) Lorenzo
2) Pedrosa
3) Marquez
4) Rossi
.Everyone would think that Valentino has suffered memory loss and forgotten how to ride or how to win. Yes Jorge' has got stronger and much smoother but in 2013 he is the only real challenge. IMHO Dani is no match for either over a full season. Marques will get detuned after his first hi side to the moon or when he tries to muscle Cal or Dovi aside and ends up on his bum.
Dovi on a Tech 3 will be a threat for the odd 3rd or 4th. I can see Vale' being on the podium from the get go and winning the odd race from round 4 onwards. He is a real threat.
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Dovi on a Tech 3 will be a threat for the odd 3rd or 4th. I can see Vale' being on the podium from the get go and winning the odd race from round 4 onwards. He is a real threat.
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Dovi still on a Tech 3 then you reckon ? Hmm not so sure. Pedrosa's performance in '13 may depend upon how much more Honda can get out of the RCV 1000.
But on past form I'd question FourWheelDrift's predictions of 2nd & 3rd for Pedrosa & Marquez. Given the competition left at the top level I could well see Rossi taking 2nd at least to Lorenzo. Pedro maybe not consistent enough & Marquez just too new (shades of Lorenzo's first year on a big bike?)
I still have to wonder if Ducati might just spring a surprise after so many poor results though with Hayden (or Dovi/Crutchlow) keen to capitalise.
But on past form I'd question FourWheelDrift's predictions of 2nd & 3rd for Pedrosa & Marquez. Given the competition left at the top level I could well see Rossi taking 2nd at least to Lorenzo. Pedro maybe not consistent enough & Marquez just too new (shades of Lorenzo's first year on a big bike?)
I still have to wonder if Ducati might just spring a surprise after so many poor results though with Hayden (or Dovi/Crutchlow) keen to capitalise.
Lots of people come out of the woodwork when Rossi has a result but are never here discussing MGP in between, been quiet except for the normal residents for 2yrs. I wonder why 
Apart from this ascerbic observation ...
It's Lorenzo's bike now, Rossi is not number 1 in the squad and he isn't the future.
Furasawa has moved out of Iwata since his retirement and he is the man, the Godfather of the M1, not Burgess. Without him there Rossi is not as influential in the garage as he was.
Rossi is 33, has crashed more than ever in the last years and 'has a confidence problem' - see the Top Gun quote there
Class is permanent, form is temporary. Rossi has class and will regain the confidence, but i think it's essential he has Burgess and the crew. They have a point to prove together.
Lorenzo's a lot stronger mentally, he will have been consulted about Vale's return and he has enough people around him to know what additional conditions you would negotiate in that event.
Yamaha have won, they have the best rider in Jorge for next year and the PR magnet Rossi. Lin Jarvis has earnt his bonus this year.
There simply isn't a motorbike on the grid that is the sole result of it's current riders development in the MGP class (not CRT). Rossi took the Yamaha in 2004 and won on it with fork tops 45mm above the yokes, it wasn't a dog, but it wasn't an out the crate race winner like the RC211V.
Pedrosa has finished every race this year, he is consistent again, i know he may stub his toe but that consistency makes him a threat for the championship.
I still agree it's Lorenzo for the title next year, Rossi will be competitive, but unless there's a lot of closed season testing he is going to take some time to get back to his old self if he can at all. He can't and shouldn't be written off, it's only at Ducati he has ever failed at really.
The mindgames from now until 1st race next year will likely be far more interesting than the racing, shame, i wanna see paint swapped.
Apart from this ascerbic observation ...
It's Lorenzo's bike now, Rossi is not number 1 in the squad and he isn't the future.
Furasawa has moved out of Iwata since his retirement and he is the man, the Godfather of the M1, not Burgess. Without him there Rossi is not as influential in the garage as he was.
Rossi is 33, has crashed more than ever in the last years and 'has a confidence problem' - see the Top Gun quote there
Class is permanent, form is temporary. Rossi has class and will regain the confidence, but i think it's essential he has Burgess and the crew. They have a point to prove together.
Lorenzo's a lot stronger mentally, he will have been consulted about Vale's return and he has enough people around him to know what additional conditions you would negotiate in that event.
Yamaha have won, they have the best rider in Jorge for next year and the PR magnet Rossi. Lin Jarvis has earnt his bonus this year.
There simply isn't a motorbike on the grid that is the sole result of it's current riders development in the MGP class (not CRT). Rossi took the Yamaha in 2004 and won on it with fork tops 45mm above the yokes, it wasn't a dog, but it wasn't an out the crate race winner like the RC211V.
Pedrosa has finished every race this year, he is consistent again, i know he may stub his toe but that consistency makes him a threat for the championship.
I still agree it's Lorenzo for the title next year, Rossi will be competitive, but unless there's a lot of closed season testing he is going to take some time to get back to his old self if he can at all. He can't and shouldn't be written off, it's only at Ducati he has ever failed at really.
The mindgames from now until 1st race next year will likely be far more interesting than the racing, shame, i wanna see paint swapped.
Johno said:
Pedrosa has finished every race this year, he is consistent again, i know he may stub his toe but that consistency makes him a threat for the championship.
I just dont think he has enough fight in him, Perhaps if he took up boxing or got on the weights and bulked up to 8st 
he would fancy it more towards the end of the race.Johno said:
Lots of people come out of the woodwork when Rossi has a result but are never here discussing MGP in between, been quiet except for the normal residents for 2yrs. I wonder why
Apart from this ascerbic observation ...
It's Lorenzo's bike now, Rossi is not number 1 in the squad and he isn't the future.
Furasawa has moved out of Iwata since his retirement and he is the man, the Godfather of the M1, not Burgess. Without him there Rossi is not as influential in the garage as he was.
Rossi is 33, has crashed more than ever in the last years and 'has a confidence problem' - see the Top Gun quote there
Class is permanent, form is temporary. Rossi has class and will regain the confidence, but i think it's essential he has Burgess and the crew. They have a point to prove together.
Lorenzo's a lot stronger mentally, he will have been consulted about Vale's return and he has enough people around him to know what additional conditions you would negotiate in that event.
Yamaha have won, they have the best rider in Jorge for next year and the PR magnet Rossi. Lin Jarvis has earnt his bonus this year.
There simply isn't a motorbike on the grid that is the sole result of it's current riders development in the MGP class (not CRT). Rossi took the Yamaha in 2004 and won on it with fork tops 45mm above the yokes, it wasn't a dog, but it wasn't an out the crate race winner like the RC211V.
Pedrosa has finished every race this year, he is consistent again, i know he may stub his toe but that consistency makes him a threat for the championship.
I still agree it's Lorenzo for the title next year, Rossi will be competitive, but unless there's a lot of closed season testing he is going to take some time to get back to his old self if he can at all. He can't and shouldn't be written off, it's only at Ducati he has ever failed at really.
The mindgames from now until 1st race next year will likely be far more interesting than the racing, shame, i wanna see paint swapped.
I can see some of your points, but if you think VR has a confidence problem, you're mad. The Duke would put the fear in anyone. He will put that Yamaha on like an old slipper and then spank Jorge with it.Apart from this ascerbic observation ...
It's Lorenzo's bike now, Rossi is not number 1 in the squad and he isn't the future.
Furasawa has moved out of Iwata since his retirement and he is the man, the Godfather of the M1, not Burgess. Without him there Rossi is not as influential in the garage as he was.
Rossi is 33, has crashed more than ever in the last years and 'has a confidence problem' - see the Top Gun quote there
Class is permanent, form is temporary. Rossi has class and will regain the confidence, but i think it's essential he has Burgess and the crew. They have a point to prove together.
Lorenzo's a lot stronger mentally, he will have been consulted about Vale's return and he has enough people around him to know what additional conditions you would negotiate in that event.
Yamaha have won, they have the best rider in Jorge for next year and the PR magnet Rossi. Lin Jarvis has earnt his bonus this year.
There simply isn't a motorbike on the grid that is the sole result of it's current riders development in the MGP class (not CRT). Rossi took the Yamaha in 2004 and won on it with fork tops 45mm above the yokes, it wasn't a dog, but it wasn't an out the crate race winner like the RC211V.
Pedrosa has finished every race this year, he is consistent again, i know he may stub his toe but that consistency makes him a threat for the championship.
I still agree it's Lorenzo for the title next year, Rossi will be competitive, but unless there's a lot of closed season testing he is going to take some time to get back to his old self if he can at all. He can't and shouldn't be written off, it's only at Ducati he has ever failed at really.
The mindgames from now until 1st race next year will likely be far more interesting than the racing, shame, i wanna see paint swapped.
He loves nothing more than beating Jorge. He doesnt need any more motivation than being in the same garage.
The only caveat I will make is this: I think VR is clever enough to realise this Yam is his last chance saloon. If he isnt there or thereabouts (1st or 2nd) after the first year, he will jack it in. And rightly so.
I'm looking forward to seeing Rossi back on the Yamaha. It'll be tough to beat Lorenzo though, he's really come on leaps and bounds.
It will be a close battle. I don't think Rossi's lost it as some people seem to think but equally Lorenzo is much younger, and probably has the team around him. Although I wouldn't have thought it would take long for Rossi to settle in.
It could all come down to mind games again.
I can't wait.
It will be a close battle. I don't think Rossi's lost it as some people seem to think but equally Lorenzo is much younger, and probably has the team around him. Although I wouldn't have thought it would take long for Rossi to settle in.
It could all come down to mind games again.
I can't wait.
FourWheelDrift said:
I don't see Rossi winning the title next year just because he's back at Yamaha. New bike, no Burgess, team mate very settled and lots of rivals wanting to make a point or rookies making a mark.
Septic Peg's 2013 title prediction.
1) Lorenzo
2) Pedrosa
3) Marquez
4) Rossi
I'm going for Septic Peg's 2013 title prediction.
1) Lorenzo
2) Pedrosa
3) Marquez
4) Rossi
1) Lorenzo
2) Pedrosa
3) Rossi
4) Marquez
But only because I think Marquez is going to spend quite a bit of 2013 flying through the air.
Reardy Mister said:
I can see some of your points, but if you think VR has a confidence problem, you're mad. The Duke would put the fear in anyone. He will put that Yamaha on like an old slipper and then spank Jorge with it.
He loves nothing more than beating Jorge. He doesnt need any more motivation than being in the same garage.
The only caveat I will make is this: I think VR is clever enough to realise this Yam is his last chance saloon. If he isnt there or thereabouts (1st or 2nd) after the first year, he will jack it in. And rightly so.
Mad, ummm, er no.He loves nothing more than beating Jorge. He doesnt need any more motivation than being in the same garage.
The only caveat I will make is this: I think VR is clever enough to realise this Yam is his last chance saloon. If he isnt there or thereabouts (1st or 2nd) after the first year, he will jack it in. And rightly so.
Rossi has no confidence in the front end of ythat Ducati. He has crashed more in 2yrs than in his previous 10 seasons.
Racing bikes is about confidence and he hasn't got it in that bike, therefore he will have questioned himself.
The bike will get won't fit him like an old slipper, it's'2yrs sincxe he rode an 800cc Yamaha he helped develop. It's'now a 1000cc, has different electronis and if you think he'll be immediately confident in it i think you're wrong. It'll take time hence my comment about pre-season testing. He needs the time to get it set up and to his liking so it gives him the confidence he needs.
I hope its a quick process, but bike racing is all about confidence and be will have lost some in the last 2yrs, no doubt.
Reardy Mister said:
He will put that Yamaha on like an old slipper and then spank Jorge with it.
I wish! Fact is that Lorenzo is better than Rossi right now. I wish this weren't true but sadly it is. Is he better overall? Of course not and he probably won't ever be, but Rossi will have a long hard road ahead of him to a championship. I don't write Rossi off though because as the quote says:"old age and treachery beat youth and inexperience every time!"
Well (relative) youth now that Lorenzo is older wiser and more experiened than before. Gives Rossi all the more reason to be treacherous
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