2011 XJ Supersport X351
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Thanks for the intel on that one I linked to.
I got my M3 MOTd yesterday so it's ready for sale/ trade in.
Although I was all set on an XJ Supersport (and would still love one) my head has been turned by Range Rovers of all things... I know, I really shouldn't and would probably be bankrupted or ready to torch the thing when it inevitably goes wrong... but L405 is a wonderful thing and values have dropped dramatically. Mind you they'll probably keep falling too!
I got my M3 MOTd yesterday so it's ready for sale/ trade in.
Although I was all set on an XJ Supersport (and would still love one) my head has been turned by Range Rovers of all things... I know, I really shouldn't and would probably be bankrupted or ready to torch the thing when it inevitably goes wrong... but L405 is a wonderful thing and values have dropped dramatically. Mind you they'll probably keep falling too!
I think an L405 5.0 is the obvious replacement for my Supersport as the family bus, they kept developing it over it's life in a way they just didn't bother with for the X351 too.
Insurance is a bit spicy though, I pay £450 a year for this X351 but they want £2.5k+ for a supercharged L405 even in the crime free paradise of Wales.
Insurance is a bit spicy though, I pay £450 a year for this X351 but they want £2.5k+ for a supercharged L405 even in the crime free paradise of Wales.
I have been watching for new adverts, the most recent one on Autotrader is not LWB but interesting: 11 plate with only 39,000 miles. But they want £20k for it! 
I did a check via totalcarcheck and this is the valuation:
Vehicle Valuation
Description
JAGUAR XJ SUPER V8
AUTO (2011-11)
Based on
Mileage
39,216 miles
On The Road £89,480
Dealer Forecourt £17,933
Private Average £13,869
Part Exchange £13,242
Auction £7,944
Is that auction price in any way realistic? Presumably they just get their price info from CAP?
I think I'd take my chances at the auction if that's how much margin there is in one of these...
I did a check via totalcarcheck and this is the valuation:
Vehicle Valuation
Description
JAGUAR XJ SUPER V8
AUTO (2011-11)
Based on
Mileage
39,216 miles
On The Road £89,480
Dealer Forecourt £17,933
Private Average £13,869
Part Exchange £13,242
Auction £7,944
Is that auction price in any way realistic? Presumably they just get their price info from CAP?
I think I'd take my chances at the auction if that's how much margin there is in one of these...
No, with 38k miles I think that would do very well at auction, Jaguar old gits really reach for the Viagra for low mileage cars, it's quite interesting to see the absolute collapse in auction value between say a 35k car and a 50k car; the joke is that IME the low mileage ones are often dogs. I'd expect it to get at least the PX value, but of course it depends who is in the market at the time.
I think the two that went for sod all before Christmas were probably a seasonal blip though, the £6800 hammer price one is up for £12,995 from a ropey looking dealer on Autotrader.
I always wondered why it never got the SDV8, I can only assume that it just straight up can't fit in the X350 derived front structure because that car could also have really done with a better diesel than the underpowered 2.7.
I think the two that went for sod all before Christmas were probably a seasonal blip though, the £6800 hammer price one is up for £12,995 from a ropey looking dealer on Autotrader.
I always wondered why it never got the SDV8, I can only assume that it just straight up can't fit in the X350 derived front structure because that car could also have really done with a better diesel than the underpowered 2.7.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Sunday 18th February 13:54
I have no stats to prove my gut feel but having owned and worked on one, the 4.4TDV8 is a whopping great big engine in terms of dimensions as well as cubic capacity; especially with 2 turbos and a lot of pipework, cooling etc strapped to it. I'm not sure it would even fit in an X351's engine bay (even if it can handle a 5.0SC).
I would imagine it is also flippin' heavy and would overwhelm the sweetness of the car's chassis.
I would imagine it is also flippin' heavy and would overwhelm the sweetness of the car's chassis.
KPB1973 said:
I have no stats to prove my gut feel but having owned and worked on one, the 4.4TDV8 is a whopping great big engine in terms of dimensions as well as cubic capacity; especially with 2 turbos and a lot of pipework, cooling etc strapped to it. I'm not sure it would even fit in an X351's engine bay (even if it can handle a 5.0SC).
I would imagine it is also flippin' heavy and would overwhelm the sweetness of the car's chassis.
Probably right on all counts. It is a lump.I would imagine it is also flippin' heavy and would overwhelm the sweetness of the car's chassis.
Patrick Bateman said:
15 grand on the previous generation XJR is bonkers IMO.
That gets you a lot of XKR, easily.
Just scrapped my 2007 XJR for £480 but it was on 282k miles. So many things went wrong in the last year it was not economic to fix it. Just to get rid of the warning lights and faults was going to start at £6k and only go up from there.That gets you a lot of XKR, easily.
Age is catching up with these cars now , air suspension replacement alone is £££ and mine had started having electrical problems and kept breaking down in new and in increasingly bizarre ways.
I do miss it and would love another but i’d expect to spend at least £3k plus a year in maintenance on a jag that age (servicing and tyres on top of that) so moved on to an XF.
I had it 12 years and would need on average £1k a year for faults servicing and tyres another £1000 ish every year, plus a lot of petrol.
Go with something newer
Dodsy said:
Patrick Bateman said:
15 grand on the previous generation XJR is bonkers IMO.
That gets you a lot of XKR, easily.
Just scrapped my 2007 XJR for £480 but it was on 282k miles. So many things went wrong in the last year it was not economic to fix it. Just to get rid of the warning lights and faults was going to start at £6k and only go up from there.That gets you a lot of XKR, easily.
Age is catching up with these cars now , air suspension replacement alone is £££ and mine had started having electrical problems and kept breaking down in new and in increasingly bizarre ways.
I do miss it and would love another but i’d expect to spend at least £3k plus a year in maintenance on a jag that age (servicing and tyres on top of that) so moved on to an XF.
I had it 12 years and would need on average £1k a year for faults servicing and tyres another £1000 ish every year, plus a lot of petrol.
Go with something newer
Keep looking at 351's, nearly bought one earlier this year from a local car supermarket but the paint was a bit ropey and wasnt confident about their ability to refinish it to a decent standard, plus it was £16,250 for a 2014 with 60 something k, Portfolio spec.
I think they do hang around a long time, am going to wait until later in the year and then have another look.
Been watching a 31k miler on AT, silver one and the seller is doing the right thing in doing a dutch auction, started at £16,250 and is now down to £14,450 so he is taking a big hit but obviously wants to sell rather than some that sit at the same price month in, month out. I recon that one is a 10/11 grand car and as mr Genius says, one way or another with big old Jags you are taking a hit, and its easy to go and pay asking or haggle £200 off, but to minimise the pain you need to nick one off someone who hasnt had a bite in ages, got to be ruthless. See some for sale for over a year without the price changing, if nothing else, its a year older !
Its very much a buyers market as not many folk want a massive, complicated, ageing barge thats over 5m long and some find challenging to look at, but having had a shot in the one I looked at buying, I do want one, what a bloody fantastic thing.
Would consider a V8 but dont want the big VED as am keeping another car so two lots of everything and cant justify the V8, dont need to go that fast, the 3.0 diesel will be plenty for its role.
Want a sort of 2012 to 2015 Portfolio (mainly for the Meridian surround), Standard Wheelbase, want the archetypal pampered example, mileage less important but on these they drop off a cliff past 100k. Am avoiding the second facelift 300 bhp models with AdBlue as they seem to have more issues, sweet spot is that 2012 on with the ZF8 speed box, slightly lower VED and the change to Meridian, would consider a nice, earlier model but would have to be mint and right colour, spec and price.
There are some jokers, someone is selling one with a knackered engine and 281k on AT, wants five grand, so you spend five grand, and need another what 8/9 to put an engine in it, and you are left with a galactic mileage example, half that maybe as a parts car. Fair few dogs as well, family hacks and mildly barried examples, normally a turn off but even more so on an XJ.
I think they do hang around a long time, am going to wait until later in the year and then have another look.
Been watching a 31k miler on AT, silver one and the seller is doing the right thing in doing a dutch auction, started at £16,250 and is now down to £14,450 so he is taking a big hit but obviously wants to sell rather than some that sit at the same price month in, month out. I recon that one is a 10/11 grand car and as mr Genius says, one way or another with big old Jags you are taking a hit, and its easy to go and pay asking or haggle £200 off, but to minimise the pain you need to nick one off someone who hasnt had a bite in ages, got to be ruthless. See some for sale for over a year without the price changing, if nothing else, its a year older !
Its very much a buyers market as not many folk want a massive, complicated, ageing barge thats over 5m long and some find challenging to look at, but having had a shot in the one I looked at buying, I do want one, what a bloody fantastic thing.
Would consider a V8 but dont want the big VED as am keeping another car so two lots of everything and cant justify the V8, dont need to go that fast, the 3.0 diesel will be plenty for its role.
Want a sort of 2012 to 2015 Portfolio (mainly for the Meridian surround), Standard Wheelbase, want the archetypal pampered example, mileage less important but on these they drop off a cliff past 100k. Am avoiding the second facelift 300 bhp models with AdBlue as they seem to have more issues, sweet spot is that 2012 on with the ZF8 speed box, slightly lower VED and the change to Meridian, would consider a nice, earlier model but would have to be mint and right colour, spec and price.
There are some jokers, someone is selling one with a knackered engine and 281k on AT, wants five grand, so you spend five grand, and need another what 8/9 to put an engine in it, and you are left with a galactic mileage example, half that maybe as a parts car. Fair few dogs as well, family hacks and mildly barried examples, normally a turn off but even more so on an XJ.
I thought the Meridian stereo, and this was the big upgraded one in an Autobiography, was not as good as the B&W. The standard 2012 on Meridian is significantly less powerful too, the 1100W odd one with extra speakers became an option.
As I've said before they stripped cost out of the car over it's life, I think the earlier ones are the best, the ZF8 is nice and will help a bit with economy but the 2nd gen ZF6 in the early cars is itself very good and it'll take a lot of miles with the 1mpg improvement to make back the extra cost over a 2010/11 car.
They even removed the inflatable bolsters from the new design seats on the 2016 onwards Portfolios.
I'd listen to both before you buy if it's a big factor. As for diesel... they're great cars with the diesel engine but they are fabulous with the V8, with or without a supercharger.
ETA The Meridian came in the 2013 MY so late 2012 onwards cars. These were the four stereo options:
The Portfolio got the "Meridian Surround" as standard, the later Autobiography got the "Meridian Reference", whcih was a very chunky cost on it's own so you don't see it often. I was very underwhelmed and found it became very shrill when pressed, but with more time to fiddle with it maybe I'd have come to like it. Of course with audio so much is subjective preference.
As I've said before they stripped cost out of the car over it's life, I think the earlier ones are the best, the ZF8 is nice and will help a bit with economy but the 2nd gen ZF6 in the early cars is itself very good and it'll take a lot of miles with the 1mpg improvement to make back the extra cost over a 2010/11 car.
They even removed the inflatable bolsters from the new design seats on the 2016 onwards Portfolios.
I'd listen to both before you buy if it's a big factor. As for diesel... they're great cars with the diesel engine but they are fabulous with the V8, with or without a supercharger.
ETA The Meridian came in the 2013 MY so late 2012 onwards cars. These were the four stereo options:
The Portfolio got the "Meridian Surround" as standard, the later Autobiography got the "Meridian Reference", whcih was a very chunky cost on it's own so you don't see it often. I was very underwhelmed and found it became very shrill when pressed, but with more time to fiddle with it maybe I'd have come to like it. Of course with audio so much is subjective preference.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Friday 5th April 12:41
GeniusOfLove said:
I thought the Meridian stereo, and this was the big upgraded one in an Autobiography, was not as good as the B&W. The standard 2012 on Meridian is significantly less powerful too, the 1100W odd one with extra speakers became an option.
As I've said before they stripped cost out of the car over it's life, I think the earlier ones are the best, the ZF8 is nice and will help a bit with economy but the 2nd gen ZF6 in the early cars is itself very good and it'll take a lot of miles with the 1mpg improvement to make back the extra cost over a 2010/11 car.
They even removed the inflatable bolsters from the new design seats on the 2016 onwards Portfolios.
I'd listen to both before you buy if it's a big factor. As for diesel... they're great cars with the diesel engine but they are fabulous with the V8, with or without a supercharger.
Its not specifically the Meridian, its more having a car with a high end system for one, my CLS was the 5.5 and the original owner was a bit mean with the options, so no Xenon lights, no HK sound and no memory seats, so this time I will go for one with everything on and whether thats B and W or Meridian am fine with either.As I've said before they stripped cost out of the car over it's life, I think the earlier ones are the best, the ZF8 is nice and will help a bit with economy but the 2nd gen ZF6 in the early cars is itself very good and it'll take a lot of miles with the 1mpg improvement to make back the extra cost over a 2010/11 car.
They even removed the inflatable bolsters from the new design seats on the 2016 onwards Portfolios.
I'd listen to both before you buy if it's a big factor. As for diesel... they're great cars with the diesel engine but they are fabulous with the V8, with or without a supercharger.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Friday 5th April 11:42
The standard Meridian, i.e. without the Surround bit, would class that as a base system, the Reference is XJL only and quite rare, just the Autobiography models, need to remember not to be too picky as expect any is better than in my Fiesta ST.
Would like a Petrol Model but as I am keeping the ST and making it into more of a track oriented car, dont want to be paying £1000 a year for both on VED when otherwise will be £450 ish, and aiming to use the XJ for doing a bit of touring round the UK so 40 mpg appeals. Plus, petrol models are thin on the ground, 245 diesels on AT vs 31 petrols, made up of 1 random 2.0 4 cyl import, 13 V6 Supercharged, 4 V8 N/A and 13 V8 Supercharged, plus 5 listed in the XJR category.
Sort of think as well, if paying the costs for a petrol, may as well go for the supercharged version. Will take on board your comments as to the earlier ones (B and W, 6 speed etc, cost reduction) might help me get in one sub 8/10k, maybe even less.
Just edited my comment to add details of the stereos!
Looking at trade values, they have firmed up after the freefall earlier in the year, right now my friend is eyeing up a nice blue 2011 Portfolio in blue with ivory/blue interior with 94k on it with a £6k CAP and it will likely get that.
Interestingly the later 300bhp diesel cars have taken a serious beating, they were all £20k+ a year ago, and now a 16 plate on 70k miles CAPs at £13,450 and there is a 2017 Autobiography on 45k miles with a £21k CAP I reckon it'll struggle to hit.
You ought to be thinking of these sorts of values +10% if you're buying privately, and +25% trade, it's his lookout if he overpaid for the stock a year ago. They are not easy cars to shift as you said.
One way to offset the running costs of the supercharged cars using man maths, assuming you don't get reamed out of £20k for one at a dealer, is that they will not depreciate to £0 like the diesels will. Even the rattiest nastiest leggiest turd of a 2003 X350 XJR will still get £3.5k - £4k in working order, when a leggy 3.0 petrol or diesel is a 99p eBay start and be glad if you make a grand car.
I think these X351s might even do better because the supercharged cars are fewer in number, the X351 itself is a much better car than the X350, and the 5.0 cars are really in another league of performance to the 4.2.
The supersport is also very nicely trimmed and spec'd, if you (like me) are a bit of spec w
e. Once you've had semi aniline trim around your power seat controls there is no going back to plain old plastic 
I have to say that I love this Supersport so much that if they were still making them I'd buy one new and keep it forever, but sadly now I'm finally not so poor my Jaguars have to cost a grand all they have to offer is a range of ugly or bland crap with engines that would be disappointing in a hatchback.
Looking at trade values, they have firmed up after the freefall earlier in the year, right now my friend is eyeing up a nice blue 2011 Portfolio in blue with ivory/blue interior with 94k on it with a £6k CAP and it will likely get that.
Interestingly the later 300bhp diesel cars have taken a serious beating, they were all £20k+ a year ago, and now a 16 plate on 70k miles CAPs at £13,450 and there is a 2017 Autobiography on 45k miles with a £21k CAP I reckon it'll struggle to hit.
You ought to be thinking of these sorts of values +10% if you're buying privately, and +25% trade, it's his lookout if he overpaid for the stock a year ago. They are not easy cars to shift as you said.
One way to offset the running costs of the supercharged cars using man maths, assuming you don't get reamed out of £20k for one at a dealer, is that they will not depreciate to £0 like the diesels will. Even the rattiest nastiest leggiest turd of a 2003 X350 XJR will still get £3.5k - £4k in working order, when a leggy 3.0 petrol or diesel is a 99p eBay start and be glad if you make a grand car.
I think these X351s might even do better because the supercharged cars are fewer in number, the X351 itself is a much better car than the X350, and the 5.0 cars are really in another league of performance to the 4.2.
The supersport is also very nicely trimmed and spec'd, if you (like me) are a bit of spec w
e. Once you've had semi aniline trim around your power seat controls there is no going back to plain old plastic I have to say that I love this Supersport so much that if they were still making them I'd buy one new and keep it forever, but sadly now I'm finally not so poor my Jaguars have to cost a grand all they have to offer is a range of ugly or bland crap with engines that would be disappointing in a hatchback.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Friday 5th April 12:55
Cheers for all the info, much appreciated.
Was looking and then got hit with a tax bill from a few years back, changed jobs and the rules on pay in lieu changed the day before I left and the company hadnt updated their systems, so taxman comes hunting and leaves a big hole in my Jag budget
Annoying as they made me stay an extra month as well !
So, just building the coffers back up and doing my research, this stuff is pure gold as you make decisions based on spec, year, mileage then learn that certain ones have been de contented or have engine issues.
Am watching a few, there are plenty out there and if things change over the next few months, keeping an eye on those private ones who have had them up a while, am not paying over the odds for one as will end up unable to get rid unless practically giving it away, the CLS taught me that, 5 grand was all I could raise on it, most were 8 to 10 grand, but they are probably still there. There is a chap locally thats had one for sale for three years !
Was looking and then got hit with a tax bill from a few years back, changed jobs and the rules on pay in lieu changed the day before I left and the company hadnt updated their systems, so taxman comes hunting and leaves a big hole in my Jag budget
Annoying as they made me stay an extra month as well !So, just building the coffers back up and doing my research, this stuff is pure gold as you make decisions based on spec, year, mileage then learn that certain ones have been de contented or have engine issues.
Am watching a few, there are plenty out there and if things change over the next few months, keeping an eye on those private ones who have had them up a while, am not paying over the odds for one as will end up unable to get rid unless practically giving it away, the CLS taught me that, 5 grand was all I could raise on it, most were 8 to 10 grand, but they are probably still there. There is a chap locally thats had one for sale for three years !
J4CKO said:
, 5 grand was all I could raise on it, most were 8 to 10 grand, but they are probably still there. There is a chap locally thats had one for sale for three years !
That's the story of all these old smokers. A lot of people are deluded about the value, not helped by the fact that a few of the specialist dealers with superb prep and support will actually shift metal at the top end prices, which then gives portacabin dealers and private sellers an entirely false idea of what their car could sell for.My Superport sold for £22,000 a year before I got it from one of the well known purveyors of very well presented Jaguars. I'd consider myself lucky to shift it for £13k as a private seller without having to wait 6 months to see it go, but I imagine they could sell it again for £18k even in this less overheated market. More power to them for building the reputation and image to do that - there is a lot of value in what they do for a big enough group of buyers to sustain a business - but Geoff selling his black on black 80k mile Premium Luxury X351 3.0d privately is not really playing in that league.
If you're feeling lucky (well do you punk) PM when when you're ready to buy and I can keep an eye out on what's happening at trade auctions. Nothing beats a sight unseen trade sale, when it works out (and they always have for me) it's like betting everything on Red 37 and winning
Clocked a white one locally which is hemmed in on a small driveway, at right angles, never seen it moved, quick DVLA check, 2016 with 9800 miles !
Think this seller is in for a shock, 2016 for 27 grand with 54k on, getting on for double what its actually worth.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403288...
Think this seller is in for a shock, 2016 for 27 grand with 54k on, getting on for double what its actually worth.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403288...
J4CKO said:
Clocked a white one locally which is hemmed in on a small driveway, at right angles, never seen it moved, quick DVLA check, 2016 with 9800 miles !
Think this seller is in for a shock, 2016 for 27 grand with 54k on, getting on for double what its actually worth.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403288...
Someone ought to tell him that having a replacement engine fitted really isn't a selling point.Think this seller is in for a shock, 2016 for 27 grand with 54k on, getting on for double what its actually worth.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403288...
Anecdotally I do see a lot of these 300bhp cars as non runners or with replacement engines, far far more than the 270bhp ones in Jaguars.
GeniusOfLove said:
J4CKO said:
Clocked a white one locally which is hemmed in on a small driveway, at right angles, never seen it moved, quick DVLA check, 2016 with 9800 miles !
Think this seller is in for a shock, 2016 for 27 grand with 54k on, getting on for double what its actually worth.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403288...
Someone ought to tell him that having a replacement engine fitted really isn't a selling point.Think this seller is in for a shock, 2016 for 27 grand with 54k on, getting on for double what its actually worth.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403288...
Anecdotally I do see a lot of these 300bhp cars as non runners or with replacement engines, far far more than the 270bhp ones in Jaguars.
Think that guy has been caught for a ten grand bill and wants to recoup some of his outlay, I sympathise and a brand new engine isn't a bad thing if done right but its at least 10 grand over market value, probably more.
Most sellers just leave them there indefinitely,
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