Chipping a MK4 GT TDI 150

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gti-ted

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1,025 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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I'm thinking of chipping my Golf and i have heard a few stories regarding the 150. I have been told that the turbo is weak and prone to failure and that the clutches wear out every 6k due to the extra torque.

Has anyone on here had one done? What were/are your experiences

Only PD 150 owners need respond

Cheers Ted

phumy

5,676 posts

238 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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gti-ted said:
I'm thinking of chipping my Golf and i have heard a few stories regarding the 150. I have been told that the turbo is weak and prone to failure and that the clutches wear out every 6k due to the extra torque.

Has anyone on here had one done? What were/are your experiences

Only PD 150 owners need respond

Cheers Ted
Doesnt it have enough already? Ive got a PD 150 GTi and am keeping it standard, i cant see the point of having extra troubles with turbo and clutches.

Ranger 6

7,065 posts

250 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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Have a look on www.uk-mkivs.net there's many on there with chipped 150s even up to 220-230bhp.

robbyh_1

54 posts

197 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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had a 150 bhp tdi mk4 , got a revo upgrade ... went like stink ,until the engine ate the cam shaft 6k later ,be warned that the 150bhp is prone to eating engine bits and is also very expensive ie, £1000 repair bill , but when it was fixed i was getting average 60 mpg plus .....also keep up with service intervals and a bit of T.L.C and it should keep you smiling for a long time too come , havent heard of the clutch going early though , its just different driving styles .
smokin

Edited by robbyh_1 on Wednesday 17th September 16:44

phumy

5,676 posts

238 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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robbyh_1 said:
had a 150 bhp tdi mk4 , got a revo upgrade ... went like stink ,until the engine ate the cam shaft 6k later ,be warned that the 150bhp is prone to eating engine bits and is also very expensive ie, £1000 repair bill , but when it was fixed i was getting average 60 mpg plus .....also keep up with service intervals and a bit of T.L.C and it should keep you smiling for a long time too come , havent heard of the clutch going early though , its just different driving styles .
smokin

Edited by robbyh_1 on Wednesday 17th September 16:44
You dont need to chip the engine to get the camshaft to bust, theyre made of chocolate in the PD150, mine went at 70k miles and its not chipped, whilst it was being fixed another PD150 turned up in the garage with exactly the same trouble.

calum_ek

148 posts

209 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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I had my pd150 remapped (extra 30lb/ft) not too long ago and immediatly noticed the clutch starting to slip (most noticeable in 5th, 6th 1500-2500rpm). Car has done approx 40,000 miles.

gti-ted

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1,025 posts

210 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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calum_ek said:
I had my pd150 remapped (extra 30lb/ft) not too long ago and immediatly noticed the clutch starting to slip (most noticeable in 5th, 6th 1500-2500rpm). Car has done approx 40,000 miles.
Was the car better on fuel?

calum_ek

148 posts

209 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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gti-ted said:
calum_ek said:
I had my pd150 remapped (extra 30lb/ft) not too long ago and immediatly noticed the clutch starting to slip (most noticeable in 5th, 6th 1500-2500rpm). Car has done approx 40,000 miles.
Was the car better on fuel?
To be honest I drive the car harder now so its hard to say, its not a noticeable drop though.

Between the two (motorway and b-roads) I average 45MPG.

Fuel economy will depend on the type of fuel map (generic for the car, or a live map) and the person who is mapping the car though. You could even have your car mapped for better economy with disregard to any performance gains.


Farky

874 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th September 2008
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Get one mate, you wont be dissappointed!!! Like every car, they have weak points. They do wear camshafts, but its not THAT common. Longlife oil every 10k should help towards TLC. DMF's failing are more common then anything, its a major weak point across the VAG range. Dont go to VW dealer to get it replaced though, unless you like getting robbed!!!! They really should be wearing masks!!!

Edited by Farky on Saturday 20th September 09:59

Noor

430 posts

223 months

Saturday 20th September 2008
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The 150 can indeed be remapped, but the key is to keep it mild and within tolerances. A lot of tuners will tune it very aggresively and push everything to the limit.

Find a tuner that knows about the car and knows it limitations, then you'll be ok!


g3rrd

682 posts

189 months

Saturday 20th September 2008
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My one is mapped via a Chipped UK ST3 box. Running the "fast road" map which if memory serves me right is approx 190+ bhp and 297ftlbs torque. So far no problems. Fuel economy is +3mpg better or was...
I tend to drive it harder now, so lose the mpg advantage. It is quick. I tossed and turned as to whether it was worthwhile doing, believe me it is!! As yet no clutch slip. I believe the stock clutch set up is good for 300ftlbs torque. I have a second map on the ST3 module which I have not yet risked. Its the "track" map said to be 200+bhp and 330ftlbs torque... just need the Nuespeed swaybars on and find some bigger/better brakes before I risk it... oh and start to save the pennies for the inevitable Sachs clutch upgrade!!

Edited by g3rrd on Saturday 20th September 23:23

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Monday 22nd September 2008
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It i risky.

Insurance costs more, clutch lasts much less, gearbox too. Eventhing is being stressed more than std so everything will wear out quicker.

I always say if you want a fast car buy one in the first place - the GT TDI 150 was never a fast car and never will be its nippy.

Allblackdup

3,312 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd September 2008
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There are risks in doing it, but the differences far outway it imo. I've owned a standard 150 and a remapped version. I thought the normal one was quick, but the remapped one really is a stupidly quick car for a diesel that also does 45-50 mpg even when pushed!

My remapped car had been meticously looked after, even having regular oil changes and it was very easy to spin the front wheels, but the clutch was always fine and never had any other problems due to the remap. The remap was done by AMD in Essex, a very reputable company in the VAG tuning world.

I know people who have upgraded the clutch and spent a lot of money in doing so, but my experience was the car didn't need it.

As has said above, check out www.uk-mkivs.net for lots more info. There's a lot of people on there with remaps and a lot of companys you can get further info from.

suomy

7 posts

193 months

Tuesday 16th February 2010
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the vast majority of manufacturers "de-tune" engines to allow for very poor driving conditions ie going way over due services etc. most generic remaps keep it within limits but release the engines full potential. the only things that would fail are the things that are on their way out anyway. i have spoken to vw specialists who have mapped many VAG cars especially the 1.9 tdi's and they said the engines and even the turbos are very strong and can cope with the extra bhp and torque - the only weak point being the clutches which are only just man enough on stock engines.

Yorkshirepud

136 posts

185 months

Wednesday 17th February 2010
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Remap is fine, tons on the SeatCupra forums have it done.

You will need an uprated clutch though, as the stock one's can't handle the torque which you should see over 300lb/ft to go with the ~190bhp.

jackpepper123

1 posts

143 months

Tuesday 11th December 2012
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I would defiantly say that remapping the 150 pd engine is worth doing, as long as its done properly.

I had mine remapped at 90.000 miles and the turbo did go shortly after, although it wouldn't of lasted much longer as standard.
I then got a hybrid garret turbo with hand built inter cooler and turbo back miltek exhaust,

Now on 130,000 miles and the clutch is slipping which I will be getting replaced soon with a competition one. Which may I add has a 100.000 mile warranty which you would not get with a stock one, so granted its costly but if you do it properly you will have one of the fastest diesel hatchbacks out there.

The engine runs perfectly, which I personally think is down to looking after the car , e.g regular services with good oil. Also I always use v power or bp ultimate diesel. And never race the car until the engine is warm.

Would defiantly recommend tuning these engines though, the torque figures are incredible and I get 60 mpg on a run

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

237 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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go to a professional company and get it tuned to just under 200 bhp

you will get no clutch slip at 190 ish bhp and it will go like the clappers !

shtu

3,496 posts

147 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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gti-ted said:
I have been told that the turbo is weak and prone to failure.
The clutches wear out every 6k due to the extra torque.
Bull.

TDIfurby

1,997 posts

176 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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shtu said:
Bull.
Indeed. The GT1749VB turbo on the PD150 engine is one of the strongest in its class, but will obviously blow if remapped badly, or abused (thrashed from cold, not allowed to cool down a bit after etc) - Clutches also only generally wear out if driven badly - key is to use revs, not the low down torque, for the fast acceleration. Although I have an uprated clutch in my PD setup, the torque is mapped to peak at 3000 revs, so I get a nice clutch friendly power band.

martin mrt

3,777 posts

202 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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I did my anniversary TDi a few years ago, it was quick enough but it chewed the clutch around 2000 miles afterwards, and the camshaft and turbo has since been changed with the new owner

The car had FVWSH, correct oils used, and it was never driven hard

It may have been bad luck, i don't know, i have since bought another 150tdi as a runaround, it will be kept as VW intended, its not fast but it does the job in hand

If it were me i would leave it as it is, the mk4 platform isn't the best at handling the standard power output, let alone one with a further 40bhp