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whoami
7,059 posts
109 months
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Getragdogleg said: The whole thing is marketing led and has no grounds in research or safety criteria. Why do professionals and competitive cyclists all wear them?
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Getragdogleg
3,665 posts
52 months
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whoami said: Getragdogleg said: The whole thing is marketing led and has no grounds in research or safety criteria. Why do professionals and competitive cyclists all wear them? Sponsorship ? It ain't the excellent safety rating of the lid thats for sure. I t is not because of the years of testing and refinement to the design based on research. I think it's because no-one has ever questioned it, it's all a bit emperors new clothes. Someone made some poly helmets years ago, some others bought them and it caught on. Now it is accepted and even frowned on to not have a silly little puff of air on your head.
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heebeegeetee
19,527 posts
117 months
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whoami said: Why do professionals and competitive cyclists all wear them? Same reason as racing drivers wear helmets, I imagine.
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Digger
5,686 posts
60 months
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heebeegeetee said: whoami said: Why do professionals and competitive cyclists all wear them? Same reason as racing drivers wear helmets, I imagine. Indeed. It is mandatory in the competitive arena.
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whoami
7,059 posts
109 months
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Digger said: heebeegeetee said: whoami said: Why do professionals and competitive cyclists all wear them? Same reason as racing drivers wear helmets, I imagine. Indeed. It is mandatory in the competitive arena. Yes, I get that. I was questioning why it was mandatory if, as claimed by the "anti" lobby, they are worthless?
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heebeegeetee
19,527 posts
117 months
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whoami said: Yes, I get that.
I was questioning why it was mandatory if, as claimed by the "anti" lobby, they are worthless? Same reason why competive drivers have 'em and non-comp. don't, even though normal car drivers do suffer head injuries.
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daz3210
5,000 posts
109 months
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Perhaps while they are at it making cyclists wear helmets, they should also do the same for those who drive convertible cars. And also, should everyone be made to wear glasses so that an errant fly doesn't take an eye out?
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Bacon Is Proof
3,021 posts
100 months
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I don't wear a helmet. I live in a small town (pop. 15-20,000) and don't have to contend with London bus drivers and am not in the habit of deliberately putting myself in danger just so I can put the resultant film on youtube. I also can't be arsed.
Seriously thinking about getting one after reading this thread though, as anything I can do to disassociate myself from all the people making such ridiculous straw clutching statements as I have read here the better.
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londonbabe
604 posts
61 months
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whoami said: Yes, I get that.
I was questioning why it was mandatory if, as claimed by the "anti" lobby, they are worthless? It's advertising space. Sponsors pay riders to wear them, and helmet manufacturers lobbied the UCI to make them mandatory. As they confer some aero benefit, particularly the TT type, they have been accepted, but as TdF riders are typically doing more than twice the design speed of the helmet they are still useless in a crash. Helmets in pro cycling is very recent. Even fairly recent Tour de France winners were helmetless? They only made them compulsory in 2003, and riders can still remove them on the final 5km of a climb. When I used to race BMX I wore a full face glass fibre helmet of the same type as a motorcycle helmet. That's the only type that could protect you in a 30mph crash. Far too heavy and vision-restricting to wear on the road though.
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paranoid airbag
1,301 posts
28 months
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whoami said: Yes, I get that.
I was questioning why it was mandatory if, as claimed by the "anti" lobby, they are worthless? any number of reasons the UCI could have made a wrong decision regarding mandatory helmets - and indeed, and this is a pretty tired point, there is a big difference between a sports body making what is effectively a contract decision over the nature of racing, on a closed road, in close proximity to other professionals who enter a mutual agreement to take on at least some risk because it is the nature of the sport, and cycling as transport. It's something that no one seemed to pick up on - that the first thing Wiggins said was 'cycling is a dangerous sport. Was the unfortunate bloke cycling for sport? If Stephen Hawking said 2+2=5, then he'd still be wrong - being an expert doesn't make you automatically right. If you are right, you should, expert or no, be able to explain to others why you are right.
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davepoth
19,878 posts
68 months
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paranoid airbag said: If Stephen Hawking said 2+2=5, then he'd still be wrong - being an expert doesn't make you automatically right. If you are right, you should, expert or no, be able to explain to others why you are right. Quantum physics suggests there's actually a possibility of him being right, but I digress.
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paranoid airbag
1,301 posts
28 months
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whoami said: Many folk said that about seatbelts too.
I fail to see the problem to be honest. Talk to non cyclists. The image of cycling as something only hyper-fit freaks in funny clothing puts a lot of people off. Then talk to assisted suicide campaigners. If people think that doing something that guarantees death should be legal, what do you think they'll say about something with a very slim chance of killing you, that many people prefer? Then talk to telegraph readers (this one is optional). They seem to go on about 'the nanny state' and 'elfen safety' a fair amount. I seriously hope you don't support a helmet law when you openly admit you don't understand the objections. If you understand and disagree with them, fair enough, but lawmaking from a position of ignorance is no better than rolling a dice. HTH
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scrwright
780 posts
59 months
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Had a spill myself at the weekend, lost the front end on a greasy downhill, certainly not a bad off but my lid saved me from one side of my face getting a dose of gravel rash they my knee got. Later on my 5yo did a similar thing, nice face plant on a forest gravel path, now his lid did save him from some bad cuts, no it didn't compress the foam blah blah, but the bit of gravel rash on the end of his nose would have easily been a broken nose and a severely skinned face. He did get a wobbly lip over the face his shiney lid wasn't anymore.
What would people say to compulsary lids for under 16s ? Okay hard to police I know but what issues would people have with it?
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Gizmoish
15,497 posts
78 months
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Are you lot still going on about this?
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daz3210
5,000 posts
109 months
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scrwright said: Had a spill myself at the weekend, lost the front end on a greasy downhill, certainly not a bad off but my lid saved me from one side of my face getting a dose of gravel rash they my knee got. Later on my 5yo did a similar thing, nice face plant on a forest gravel path, now his lid did save him from some bad cuts, no it didn't compress the foam blah blah, but the bit of gravel rash on the end of his nose would have easily been a broken nose and a severely skinned face. He did get a wobbly lip over the face his shiney lid wasn't anymore.
What would people say to compulsary lids for under 16s ? Okay hard to police I know but what issues would people have with it? I would say yes to an age limit, maybe not 16, say 12???????? But at what point should any lid be binned? If you fall does the protection diminish? Can anyone say a lid has not had an impact if they fall?
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TKF
4,465 posts
104 months
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Getragdogleg said: The whole thing is marketing led and has no grounds in research or safety criteria. londonbabe said: It's advertising space. You're both absolutely right, of course. And seat belts were made mandatory to help struggling buckle manufacturers. Cuckoo!
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heebeegeetee
19,527 posts
117 months
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With regards to comparing cycle helmets with car seat belts, a driver is not required to carry his seat belt when out of the car, and IIRC during the lengthy debate on belts it was never ever suggested that the compulsory use of seat belts would lead to a dramatic decrease of rates of car use with a corresponding reduction in fitness of the population or an increase in rates of child obesity etc.
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daz3210
5,000 posts
109 months
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heebeegeetee said: With regards to comparing cycle helmets with car seat belts, a driver is not required to carry his seat belt when out of the car, and IIRC during the lengthy debate on belts it was never ever suggested that the compulsory use of seat belts would lead to a dramatic decrease of rates of car use with a corresponding reduction in fitness of the population or an increase in rates of child obesity etc. Nope, and every car has one, sat there waiting to be used. If (as has happened) I am asked by a work colleague to move his bike from A to B, I have the choice of using his helmet or non. Being as hygiene and the like may come into it, I may decide to take the latter option.
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Zaxxon
4,057 posts
29 months
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whoami said: Getragdogleg said: The whole thing is marketing led and has no grounds in research or safety criteria. Why do professionals and competitive cyclists all wear them? Because they realise that they have a brain worth protecting. Whereas some here realise that they do not. 
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daz3210
5,000 posts
109 months
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Zaxxon said: whoami said: Getragdogleg said: The whole thing is marketing led and has no grounds in research or safety criteria. Why do professionals and competitive cyclists all wear them? Because they realise that they have a brain worth protecting. Whereas some here realise that they do not.  Nope, it is almost certainly first and foremost that the rules the ride under say they must. It is not about having a brain and realising it, its about having the choice. I tend to wear a helmet most times, but on occasion may decide to go without, but its a conscious decision, taken knowing the risks and usually taken for a specific reason (like I need to move this bike from a to b and I don't have the helmet with me)
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